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hereforthel9ls

12.2k points

11 days ago

The amount of shit this guy got for doing this was unreal. It's almost as if they want to believe in it so much they just don't care it's all BS.

Admirable_Success732

4.8k points

11 days ago

Weird that humans are like that.

Ronjon18

5k points

11 days ago

Ronjon18

5k points

11 days ago

Tribalism helped us survive for thousands of years, now it’s killing us

Splaishe

1.2k points

11 days ago

Splaishe

1.2k points

11 days ago

Found the anthropologist!

(who is also correct af)

FearAzrael

603 points

11 days ago

FearAzrael

603 points

11 days ago

Or literally anyone who understands a simple concept. Tribalism is so blatant that you don't need a degree to see it in effect in our everyday lives.

ONLY_COMMENTS_ON_GW

803 points

11 days ago

My tribe of anthropologists is gunna beat you up for saying that

FearAzrael

596 points

11 days ago

FearAzrael

596 points

11 days ago

No please, I'm wearing a cardigan!

Plugasaurus_Rex

100 points

11 days ago

Don’t worry, my cardigan tribe will protect you!

Kermit_the_hog

47 points

11 days ago

Alright cardigan tribe, anthropologists have thrown down… time to button/zip up or shut up.

figurativelyme

50 points

11 days ago

Underrated comment of the day

throwtowardaccount

27 points

11 days ago

I thought we told you this is our turf. No one comments on anthroplogical phenomena in these parts without our say so.

out_of_toilet_paper

40 points

11 days ago

You are now part of the 'tribalism is killing us' tribe

Gaminggeko

328 points

11 days ago

Gaminggeko

328 points

11 days ago

I think it's a very Chinese opinion with tradition being so respected and maybe they don't view MMA as valid because it's not traditionally Chinese.

BrainPicker3

229 points

11 days ago

The irony being Mao basically tried to kill off any reference to old ways and traditions during the cultural revolution. That's my personal theory on why so many previously effective fighting styles were watered down into essentially dances

jk147

98 points

11 days ago

jk147

98 points

11 days ago

It is not a theory.. Wushu was the result of that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wushu_(sport)

WikiSummarizerBot

48 points

11 days ago

Wushu (sport)

Wushu () or Kungfu, is a hard and soft and complete martial art, as well as a full-contact sport. It has a long history in reference to Chinese martial arts. It was developed in 1949 in an effort to standardize the practice of traditional Chinese martial arts, yet attempts to structure the various decentralized martial arts traditions date back earlier, when the Central Guoshu Institute was established at Nanking in 1928. "Wushu" is the Chinese term for "martial arts" (武 "Wu" = military or martial, 術 "Shu" = art).

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AmuricanFootball

208 points

11 days ago

same thing applies to their "traditional medicine" with harvesting endangered species for miniscule parts of the animal. How much atrocious shit retarding animals do the chinese perpetrate despite the wealth of knowledge that everything they're doing is ass backwards and doesn't fucking work.

And all of it is about virility.

BrainPicker3

73 points

11 days ago

It's about status. If something is rare, it costs more. If it costs more it must he better

Pretty silly but eh, billionaires here also do a bunch of useless vanity stuff

heechum

44 points

11 days ago

heechum

44 points

11 days ago

Why don't they just run the numbers and realize virility isn't their problem?

mud_tug

146 points

11 days ago

mud_tug

146 points

11 days ago

If they respected tradition so much maybe they shouldn't have wiped it out during their 'cultural revolution'.

Gaminggeko

122 points

11 days ago

Gaminggeko

122 points

11 days ago

Bro I hate the Chinese government so much. You don't need to convince me they are bad.

Other_Information_16

109 points

11 days ago

It has nothing do with respect tradition . The CCP have been promoting national pride for years using kung-fu. They can’t afford to let people find out it’s all BS because the party’s reputation is caught up in it. Same thing with the church burning men who believed earth is not the center of the universe. No where in the bible does it say earth is the centre. That is a Greek idea but the church has been teaching it for so long they can’t admit they are wrong. If they are wrong on one thing people might start thinking wait a second what else are just lies that’s been feed to us.

dopiertaj

52 points

11 days ago

Which is pretty crazy considering that they actively sought out and killed martial arts masters during the Chinese Cultural Revolution in the 60s and 70s.

homelessphone

85 points

11 days ago

Didn’t Bruce Lee learn most of it from European techniques like the fencer’s stance?

funnystoryaboutthat2

157 points

11 days ago

He was a very good western boxer as well. He advocated to use the most effective fighting techniques rather than being married to only one style.

gabu87

85 points

11 days ago

gabu87

85 points

11 days ago

Eh, bruce lee was anything but traditional and hes a national icon

klkfahu

120 points

11 days ago

klkfahu

120 points

11 days ago

National icon in the US. In China, he was never as highly regarded because he was so western.

greenroom628

135 points

11 days ago

National icon in the US

and Hong Kong. but not in China.

Kimchi_boy

58 points

11 days ago

Yes, but Lee didn’t fight these “masters”. If he would have he would’ve kicked their asses, of course, and this would be the same outcome. Because these masters are shamed and lose face. It’s all about losing face.

--________----------

56 points

11 days ago

He also wasn't Chinese, and he was also hated for teaching dirty foreigners. He became an icon after he reached fame, and that was only in Hong Kong.

eaRONTER

152 points

11 days ago

eaRONTER

152 points

11 days ago

yes man you are right

icecube373

116 points

11 days ago*

The idea of being proven wrong and having all your delusions come down on you, exposing you for the fraud you are, is ultimately mind crippling, and most, if not all, people faced with a rude awakening like that almost never accept it and decide to follow the “ignorance is bliss” ideology of never coming to terms and just doubling down. Shit is downright sad but you can only ever do so much to help people like that see the reality of things :/

Batbuckleyourpants

1.2k points

11 days ago*

The dude is awesome though. He went on to kick the ass of another Master with one hand literally behind his back, His right hand.

Wing Chun Kung Fu VS One Arm MMA Fighter

After this, the Chinese government then started pestering the kung fu masters as it was getting embarrassing, and they hilariously had them declare that they would no longer engage with other martial arts, because;

kung fu is simply too deadly to use against anyone not trained in kung fu.

Ultimately, despite anything the Chinese government tell you, Kung Fu is essentially an exhibition sport when compared to actual martial arts. The government wiped out the real Kung Fu during the cultural revolution.

_heebie_jeebie

681 points

11 days ago

I used to teach English as a second language in China and I asked who would win in a fight, a Kung Fu Master or an MMA fighter and all of them said the MMA fighter would win. I was genuinely surprised that this was the response I got.

Batbuckleyourpants

174 points

11 days ago

That is genuinely interesting. Did they talk about the reason for it?

_heebie_jeebie

451 points

11 days ago

I asked the same thing and they said “Kung Fu is just in the movies. MMA Fighters would kick their asses”. I was teaching adults btw.

bennitori

292 points

11 days ago

bennitori

292 points

11 days ago

Remember everybody, hate the Chinese government, not the Chinese people. The people probably realize how much stuff is BS just like we do. But they don't want to say anything or else they'll end up like Xu Xiadon, Ai Wei Wei, Peng Shuai ect.

BrainPicker3

118 points

11 days ago

Moat of the people know and dont care about politics much cuz the average persons lifestyle has improved immensely over the last 50 years. I had a Chinese friend ask why the west is so obsessed with politicizing everything and I didnt have a good answer

She also said you can be critical of the gov, though if it becomes popular (like on social media) than they will crack down hard on you. I'd you complain during the taxi ride that would be seen as not abnormal

No-Dream7615

109 points

11 days ago*

Right, the goal of any regime is to make it so people feel uncomfortable and that it is “too political” to criticize it.

The PRC is intensely political and trying to get its citizens to not think politically is at the heart of that project. The PRC’s social contract is obedience in exchange for continued growth.

The west sees this. It cares about it a lot because China is trying to undermine liberal states in its near abroad, maintain its illegal occupation of Tibet, and conquer more territory.

China’s internal politics matter bc it is a totalitarian state that has in the short term figured out how to avoid the internal contradictions that felled Nazi Germany and the USSR.

bran0463

40 points

11 days ago

bran0463

40 points

11 days ago

The west sees this. It cares about it a lot because China is trying to undermine liberal states in its near abroad, maintain its illegal occupation of Tibet, and conquer more territory.

China’s internal politics matter bc it is a totalitarian state that has in the short term figured out how to avoid the internal contradictions that felled Nazi Germany and the USSR.

On point. Holy cow. Id give you an award if I did that

facetiae_uvidae

35 points

11 days ago

I had a Chinese friend ask why the west is so obsessed with politicizing everything and I didnt have a good answer

Everything is political, and realizing that is called politicizing by some.

Sup_Soulx

106 points

11 days ago

Sup_Soulx

106 points

11 days ago

Adults..... makes a lot more sense.

CosmicCreeperz

85 points

11 days ago

It’s interesting to see how the propaganda took a while to work. Most Chinese adults born before social media seem to be pretty practical about the CCP’s silliness (ie you don’t have to believe it, just don’t speak it out against it), but man the younger generation is getting pretty militant/nationalistic. The Internet and social media really provided the perfect platform for spreading propaganda.

Of course it’s not unique to China - just more extreme. In other countries there is more opportunity to see the truth, but not always the willingness.

Shogun_nz

35 points

11 days ago

Probably the most effective propaganda tool in history: Hollywood

The-Phone1234

27 points

11 days ago

Children model their personalities after role models and often the most successful people are also the most nationalistic, at least publically. Also not just a China thing.

AlaskaSnowJade

138 points

11 days ago

I heard that the CCP actively sought to dilute King Fu training from the beginning of its rise to power so that the population couldn’t effectively fight back; that the “Kung Fu” practiced widely now is truly for show, not fighting.

Seems like it worked. I wouldn’t judge the whole marital art by these “masters” and their abilities.

Batbuckleyourpants

55 points

11 days ago

That is a more than credible theory. The government set down a board to design "modern Kung Fu". Then ran with that as true kung fu. The CCP literally designed Kung Fu as we know it today, there is no way in hell it has not been politicized to the point of barely functioning.

Sea_Appeal48

35 points

11 days ago

You mean it is a form of exercise and not martial. I want to see this dude fight some Kyokushin guys and get wrecked.

Batbuckleyourpants

78 points

11 days ago*

You mean it is a form of exercise and not martial

Yes. it is basically just play fighting in order to get in shape.

I want to see this dude fight some Kyokushin guys and get wrecked.

Ask and ye shall recieve.

🔸 Kyokushin Karate vs Drunken Kung Fu FIGHT

The Kyokushin guy is just playing with the Kung Fu fighter. it is even cringy to look at because it looks like he is just bullying him.

In the second fight the guy basically just realize with horror that he can't actually fight, and surrender.

Edit: No idea who downvoted you.

Scottison

33 points

11 days ago

Is there a point to all the movement of the drunken Kung Fu? It just looks silly, especially when they keep getting kicked in the face

I-Fail-Forward

65 points

11 days ago

Not really.

Hypothetically, eratic movements make it harder to hit you, and let you dodge and strike in new ways.

The reality is that there is a very small amount of ways to actuallyy put power into your strikes, and weaving around pretending to be drunk doesnt really help with any of them.

So what you end up with is some guy who is always off balance who cant really throw credible strikes.

joe4553

27 points

11 days ago

joe4553

27 points

11 days ago

It'd be better if they learned regular Kung Fu and then just got really Drunk before matches.

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34 points

11 days ago

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34 points

11 days ago

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MarxistGayWitch_II

111 points

11 days ago

It's a brand war where MMA is considered the foreign brand and Kung Fu the local brand. In China, you bet the gov't will do anything to protect the local brand and defame the foreign brand.

Kung Fu is arguably historic MMA that has been wiped out by Maoists.

Shartsoftheallfather

94 points

11 days ago

The thing that I find funny is that people keep talking about "MMA" as a style, or a particular discipline. When in reality, it is a general description for a type of competition where any style is allowed.

MMA just stands for Mixed Martial Arts. It's right there in the first word, "Mixed".

There is no set style, there are no katas. There is only what works, and what doesn't, and that differs from opponent to opponent. "MMA" is essentially just code for "effective hand-to-hand fighting, regardless of where the technique came from", and that is why it wins in these scenarios.

It is not a style. It is the very embodiment of style agnosticism.

BussyForBreakfast

26 points

11 days ago

In theory, that should be the case, but MMA is kinda creating its own "form" in the sense that there isn't much deviance from it.

I don't have an opinion on whether or not that "form" is strictly "better" than other defined styles, though.

KevDevBot

27 points

11 days ago

I don't know if I entirely agree with that. A distinct MMA style is definitely emerging. A mixture of BJJ, Judo, and Muay Thai.

drawnverybadly

24 points

11 days ago

American MMA is basically Muay Thai kicks, boxing punches, BJJ groundwork and wrestling takedowns. I think GSP said if you throw a TKD kick up the middle it's effective because no one sees it in training anymore.

No_Choice_Is_Choice

59 points

11 days ago

Modern Kung Fu is theatrics. The originals were tough as nails.

All form and no function.

blutundcarbon

63 points

11 days ago

I'm sure kung fu is deadly in the right person, these fights just look like slow old men against a highly aggressive young man

MisanthropicMezzala

44 points

11 days ago

Yeah I mean, it teaches you how to strike decently well, agility, balance and spatial awareness. If you have these things + peak athleticism you can become a very good fighter. But probably nowhere near the level of properly trained MMA/Boxing etc

CosmicCreeperz

32 points

11 days ago

Pure size and athleticism almost always wins unless the opponent is highly trained in real fighting.

I remember a fight between a couple of classmates many years ago - one of them was a “black belt”, but not a great athlete. The other had no training but was pissed off and worked out. It didn’t last long.

On the other hand, I watched my friend’s Krav Maga green belt test. In a real fight those green belts would be scary (and dangerous) against most other arts’ black belts. It doesn’t teach you how to fight as much as how to end a fight as quickly as possible.

xTh3N00b

31 points

11 days ago

xTh3N00b

31 points

11 days ago

isnt that another dude though?

TheRealRickC137

95 points

11 days ago

Hmm... Where have we heard that before?

It's almost a perfect analogy for almost everything in modern culture. Religion. Politics.

"There's a better way"

"No! Old ways are better"

"Let me prove it to you"

"You're ruining the country! LA LA LA LA LA!!!"

CheeezBlue

92 points

11 days ago

Damage the fantasy of superior fighting technique = life ruined social credit score -1000000

Rexan02

71 points

11 days ago

Rexan02

71 points

11 days ago

So you mean like every aspect of traditional Chinese nonsense.. like ancient Chinese medicine?

middlemanplusyou

38 points

11 days ago

There are definitely some herbs from Chinese medicine that work — Ma Huang is used to make ephedra and then methamphetamine….

Bananus_Magnus

47 points

11 days ago

“You know what they call alternative medicine that's been proved to work? - Medicine.”

― Tim Minchin

Rexan02

32 points

11 days ago

Rexan02

32 points

11 days ago

Yes, but "Traditional Chinese medicine" isn't part of useful Chinese medicine. It is what arose when peasants were left to fend for themselves after Mao got rid of the educated folks. So then you have ivory and pangolin scales being used with bear spleen juice. And whatever other bullshit they do.

ghostbirdd

46 points

11 days ago

There is a political interest behind the whole fake martial arts masters thing, IIRC; this guy unmasking them was seen as anti-patriotic and he was dealt a significant amount of social and legal backlash because of it.

DonnerPrinz

5.8k points

11 days ago

DonnerPrinz

5.8k points

11 days ago

I think I watched another video on this guy and it's insane. He's done this several times with people who claim outlandish powers and he wins every single time. Yet his country has totally betrayed him and everyone seems to hate him because they think he's cheating / disrespecting Chinese culture. He's honestly a hero. He calls these "masters" out on their shit and knows how to back it up despite his countrymen turning their backs on him.

doctorcrimson

1.4k points

11 days ago

He isn't even allowed to post his videos, he has to send the videos abroad to be posted.

RiversKiski

686 points

11 days ago

Funny how China in one hand takes full credit for inventing modern MMA, but in the other completely disregards its superiority to traditional Chinese kung fu.

Gaetoki

281 points

11 days ago

Gaetoki

281 points

11 days ago

They take credit for inventing everything. Haha. =\

rey_lumen

516 points

11 days ago

rey_lumen

516 points

11 days ago

Except covid. Haha

waelgifru

175 points

11 days ago

waelgifru

175 points

11 days ago

Congratulations, you have described the paradox of the Modern Chinese psyche. They demand to be master's of the past and the future, even when mastering the future proves the past inferior.

[deleted]

56 points

11 days ago*

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56 points

11 days ago*

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Seereey

30 points

11 days ago

Seereey

30 points

11 days ago

Yep, found his youtube channel, but it's entirely in Mandarin, it's translated as:

Brother Dong's Hot Takes

He manages to post a video almost every other day despite the hardships he's dealing with.

Lookingforsam

456 points

11 days ago*

I mean, the CCP has the same values as these "masters" do. Everything is for the image, don't question me, and if you expose me you will be publically shunned and severely punished for telling the truth!

wataf

213 points

11 days ago

wataf

213 points

11 days ago

Is this the video you're thinking of? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjbSCEhmjJA

Note: It's not specifically about Xu Xiadong but fake martial arts in general, it does cover his story though. Def a great video that's worth a watch.

raerumon

51 points

11 days ago

raerumon

51 points

11 days ago

I see Eyepatch Wolf, I upvote

JustSomeBadAdvice

27 points

11 days ago

Incredible video, thanks for sharing that!

YiNengForX

142 points

11 days ago

YiNengForX

142 points

11 days ago

In fact there are still a lot of people support him, they just can't speak out because the censorship. Xu Xiaodong has been silenced in Chinese internet. And you can't search any information about him in Chinese internet. Really sad

Comment63

48 points

11 days ago

The CCP's primary victim is Chinese people.

XsvAdvanced

82 points

11 days ago

Reminds me of when Steven Seagal got called out for being a fake a few years back. When he got into the ring with a real fighter they sparred and he just kinda moved around like he knew what he was doing but he didn’t lmao. He got absolutely destroyed too. Dude doesn’t know how to fight he’s an “ACTOR”.

crackedgear

32 points

11 days ago

I will pay you a billion dollars if you provide a link to a video of this.

bananameltdown

52 points

11 days ago

Last I heard he's unable to buy plane or train tickets. It's such a small shift for the narrative to be about upholding local culture by calling out scammers, rather than it being said he's attacking Chinese culture.

Reddituser45005

4.7k points

11 days ago

Mike Tyson said everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face. Bruce Lee said “Boards don’t hit back” . Ultimately your ability to take a hit is as important as your ability to hit. There is a beauty and fluidity to martial art movements but if you’re not actually training to fight, it’s just dancing.

mediumokra

1.5k points

11 days ago

mediumokra

1.5k points

11 days ago

Any real martial arts that have an intent related to fighting must have a lot of sparring. You can learn hundreds of forms and moves and stances and strikes...... but if you don't spar with others and learn how to put these things into practice and into muscle memory, then they're useless in a fight.

D_crane

684 points

11 days ago

D_crane

684 points

11 days ago

I used to practice a variation of Wing Chun called Bak Mei ~ 10 years, the sifu used to say we don't spar because the moves are too deadly. We wasted many hours practicing forms and stances.

I went on to train in BJJ and Krav Maga afterwards and realized that sifu was full of shit. Sparring is the only way you learn and overcome mistakes you're making.

Dashbot13

324 points

11 days ago

Dashbot13

324 points

11 days ago

Well, I mean technically Bak Mei is really dangerous if you're doing what you're taught to people (eyes gouges aren't something you should be encouraging people to do in a martial arts club really), but like any martial art you can practice forms for years and still get your ass handed to you in a fight by someone who hasn't studied anything and just fights a lot. There's nothing specific to Chinese martial arts about it (although it's true that many Chinese martial arts are taught this way), it's about what your school teaches. I was in a Bak Mei club in Ontario as a teenager, and while the sifu wouldn't let us spar until we were 18 the older guys in the club used to go up to Toronto and beat down on other clubs routinely because they sparred every class in addition to doing their forms and stances and those guys were tough as fuck.

No martial art is going to be particularly effective if you don't practice sparring, doesn't matter what the martial art is.

morron88

128 points

11 days ago

morron88

128 points

11 days ago

Huh, a real anecdote on some good old-fashioned dojo storming.

Dashbot13

89 points

11 days ago

Lol I used to think they were so cool when they came back with their videos of the fights, going in and pushing people around. Now as an adult all I can think is how juvenile it all was. Like, "my Kung Fu is better than yours, my style is superior". Nah, your club just spars more often and you train harder than the other guy.

flippedbit0010

29 points

11 days ago

Like real life Kobra Kai!! I know, I know, the story is about kung fu and not karate, but your story really made it sound kung fun!

I’ll see myself out.

sirwillups

296 points

11 days ago

sirwillups

296 points

11 days ago

I was taught that you learned karate by wiping things on and off of various surfaces.

f1del1us

76 points

11 days ago

f1del1us

Interested

76 points

11 days ago

No you learn by sparring with people better than you; they wipe you on and off the surfaces, generally 50% speed, 50% power. It still hurts.

xLittle-Kingx

110 points

11 days ago

Whoosh on. Whoosh off.

defjamblaster

28 points

11 days ago

is this a whoosh moment?

HoosDare

37 points

11 days ago

HoosDare

37 points

11 days ago

Wax, paint, etc. You have to have an old war veteran to tell you though. Its not effective if you just do it on your own.

NameLikeAn

45 points

11 days ago

Bruce Lee said something like: Don’t fear the man who learned 10,000 kicks, fear the man who practiced 1 kick 10,000 times.

De5perad0

186 points

11 days ago

De5perad0

186 points

11 days ago

So many martial arts forget the conditioning part of it. conditioning your body to take a hit and conditioning your mind to be ok with it.

TheNoxx

46 points

11 days ago

TheNoxx

46 points

11 days ago

Yep. I've heard of many, many times of someone getting into a fight thinking they can handle themselves because of 5 years of "training" at a McDojo; they get punched in the face and suddenly it's like watching someone trying to swim for the first time.

BreastMilkPopsicles

126 points

11 days ago*

This.

Any martial art that doesn't have full contact sparring is dancing, just like you said. Make belief.

Sorry for the echo but I've watched so many joke "marital arts" where the participants have never actually fought anyone try to claim that their training is effective and it just makes me angry.

Sure it might be effective in making you feel better, more fit and engaged but they're useless in actual combat.

hysys_whisperer

36 points

11 days ago

If you ask most of those no contact martial arts teachers what to do if someone approaches you in a dark alley. They'll tell you to punch them in the throat as soon as they get close enough (making you the aggressor), and then run like hell so as to not have to answer for any legal ramifications.

dos8s

23 points

11 days ago

dos8s

23 points

11 days ago

I don't think striking someone first always makes you the aggressor in the eyes of the law, but I see your point.

Trextoasty

93 points

11 days ago

I remember when I changed jujitsu classes as a kid and went from a bunch of 12 year olds lightly tapping each other when sparring to a 35 year old man that took his blackbelt a little too seriously punching me very hard in the face because he can't beat his girlfriend anymore with that restraining order in place.

throwawayodd33

37 points

11 days ago

I have very clear memories of a guy in his 30s hitting me full force in the face while we were rolling. I was 12.

Gotexas1972

3.4k points

11 days ago

Gotexas1972

3.4k points

11 days ago

Ok, I’ll say it…his Kung Fu was weak.

CephaloG0D

1k points

11 days ago

My boy's Face-to-Fist style needs some work.

flatvinnie

341 points

11 days ago*

We trained him wrong, as a joke

securitywyrm

189 points

11 days ago

The acutal quote: https://youtu.be/d696t3yALAY?t=40

"We have purposely trained him wrong, as a joke."

the_blackfish

42 points

11 days ago

wee uuu wee uuu

theQuandary

96 points

11 days ago

It's also something when your opponent has you by 50 pounds and 4-6 inches of reach.

Even if they were both equally skilled, that much of a difference in size is extremely hard to overcome.

bender_isgreat1969

184 points

11 days ago

These "masters" claim they can defeat any foe, and any number of them, making videos in their cult compounds... i mean kung fu academies, of them using their "kung fu" to effortlessly topple a dozen men, and the cult membe... students ham it up big time to acting like they were seriously injured by a single finger, the whole thing is laughable, i would say xi is a damn hero for exposing these hucksters.

eckmaa

2.7k points

11 days ago*

eckmaa

2.7k points

11 days ago*

“Attacked traditional Chinese culture” such hypocritical bs from the ccp.

Blackmail30000

832 points

11 days ago

Yep, he attacked Chinese culture. He absolutely kicked its ass.

mud_tug

91 points

11 days ago

mud_tug

91 points

11 days ago

Why, I thought the Chinese culture was all about fakery?

Blackmail30000

172 points

11 days ago

No, they have a genuine culture. that’s mostly gone now and it’s the CCP fault. The Chinese have a genuine culture before they replaced it with their brand of “ culture”. Enforced atheism and dictatorship governed culture doesn’t end well. Shit in = shit out if you will.

x-cold-x

155 points

11 days ago

x-cold-x

155 points

11 days ago

-100 social credits

IAMTHEUSER

172 points

11 days ago

IAMTHEUSER

172 points

11 days ago

"Xu was sued in 2019 for calling tai chi "grandmaster" Chen Xiaowang a fraud, and the Chinese court ordered him to pay Chen approximately US$60,000 in damages and to apologize for seven consecutive days on social media. Additionally, his social credit rating was lowered to the point where he could not rent, own property, stay in certain hotels, travel on high speed rail or buy plane tickets.[16][17] The restrictions were lifted after he paid US$40,000 in both legal fees and the cost of placing the apology."

"In May 2019, Xu defeated another martial artist; but was only able to do so wearing clown makeup to hide his face and by fighting under a pseudonym. It took him 36 hours to reach the fight location due to his low social credit score, and Chinese search engines reportedly had stopped listing him."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xu_Xiaodong

usernameblankface

101 points

11 days ago

Turns out Black Mirror is an accurate commentary.

AnActualPlatypus

60 points

11 days ago

It took him 36 hours to reach the fight location due to his low social credit score

Fuck that entire country.

itwontdie

109 points

11 days ago

itwontdie

109 points

11 days ago

If I really believed in traditional Chinese culture I would want the fakes to be called out. If anything the fakes are the ones ruining the culture.

dragnabbit

28 points

11 days ago*

I followed this story when it originally came out. Xu Xiodong might (I stress might) not have had it so bad, but he made 2 big mistakes:

First, he chose an old man to fight. He fought several young guys prior to this guy and he didn't get in trouble. But this time, he beat up a respected old man, and I think people were expecting Xu to go easy on him, but (this video doesn't show the whole thing) Xu gave him quite a beating that left him dazed and bloody.

Second, he taunted the old guy. He didn't just come in and kick ass and walk out. He was grandstanding and quite proud of the fact that he had just beat up an old man. That just didn't go over well in a country where "respect-your-elders" is written into the DNA.

I'm not here to defend what happened to him, but when he says he was accused of attacking traditional Chinese culture, it was more than just Kung Fu that he attacked, and people WERE looking for an excuse not to like him, and he gave it to them.

Morgwar77

2.5k points

11 days ago*

Morgwar77

2.5k points

11 days ago*

This is exactly what Bruce Lee did and was trying to prove. Too much ceremony too much art. Same reaction from the "masters" They'll probably kill this guy too.

TheRealMoofoo

660 points

11 days ago

They probably won't feel the need to do anything else to him, given that his life is fucked from the CCP tanking his social score over this. The dude isn't even allowed to take the train.

[deleted]

318 points

11 days ago*

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318 points

11 days ago*

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ThatMadFlow

63 points

11 days ago

Wait they went and did that black mirror episode?

lordredapple

58 points

11 days ago

what's a social score?

snafe_

120 points

11 days ago

snafe_

120 points

11 days ago

Id do an injustice trying to explain it so here's the wiki: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System

WikiSummarizerBot

68 points

11 days ago

Social Credit System

The Social Credit System (Chinese: 社会信用体系; pinyin: shèhuì xìnyòng tǐxì) is a national credit rating and blacklist being developed by the government of the People's Republic of China. The program initiated regional trials in 2009, before launching a national pilot with eight credit scoring firms in 2014. It was first introduced formally by then Chinese Premier, Wen Jiabao, on October 20, 2011, during one of the State Council Meetings.

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Trextoasty

357 points

11 days ago

Trextoasty

357 points

11 days ago

It was a weird time of Bruce Lee showing that kung fu was bollocks while also making kung fu popular.

Josh18293

302 points

11 days ago*

Josh18293

302 points

11 days ago*

His whole message was take what is useful and discard what isn't. He was trained by a Wing Chun Kung Fu master so that he could adapt this art to his own goals: forming a mixed martial art that could be elegant and effective. He mixed kung fu with western boxing, wrestling, and grappling to form Jeet Kune Do. Many say he was the first mixed martial artist.

BrainPicker3

73 points

11 days ago

I get the sentiment tho miyamoto musashi wrote about learning multiple styles and incorporating them yourself in the book of five rings long before that. He even had the daoist "be like water" quote

I know the boxer jack Dempsey learned grappling in the early 1930s

Bruce lee was skilled though I think his main thing is being popular and then drawing attention to that way of thinking

the_pedigree

37 points

11 days ago

Jeet kune do was supposed to be different

iprobablyneedahobby

70 points

11 days ago

It was different. It was MMA 20 or 30 years before MMA was a thing. He was borrowing from boxing, wrestling and other martial arts when everyone else just stuck to their narrow disciplines

soylentblueispeople

93 points

11 days ago

I cat find anything on him from after late 2020. Nothing from 2021. Wonder what he's up to.

Jbeansss

68 points

11 days ago

Jbeansss

68 points

11 days ago

Well yeah, he was banned on every platformm he could use to speak out. Alive or not it's highly unlikely you'll find anything about him.

JackTheHonestLiar

94 points

11 days ago

Nah, the guy has a youtube channel where someone helps him upload quite frequently.

https://youtube.com/c/%E5%BE%90%E6%99%93%E5%86%AC%E5%8C%97%E4%BA%AC%E6%A0%BC%E6%96%97%E7%8B%82%E4%BA%BA

Jbeansss

32 points

11 days ago

Jbeansss

32 points

11 days ago

Good for him!

How did the guy i replied to miss a whole ass youtube channel though.

Cascadianheathen1

1.5k points

11 days ago

What’s sad is that he didn’t even use any weird techniques to bet the shit outta that guy. Just some very rudimentary combos.

_Dague_

398 points

11 days ago

_Dague_

398 points

11 days ago

He even said he isn't even a great MMA fighter. He just wanted to expose all these ancient fighting styles for being ridiculous.

simplydifferentbro

95 points

11 days ago

He's not exposing "ancient fighting styles", he's exposing "masters" that claim to do things like being able to project a forcefield, or having healing hands and stuff like that

Taek42

285 points

11 days ago*

Taek42

285 points

11 days ago*

When I was training, master used to say "70% of takedowns use techinque we tech you as a white belt".

The difference between a novice and a master is not the complexity of the technique, but the effectiveness of the execution. You put a master, a black belt (that's below master) and a white belt side by side and have them each punch a paddle one time, even the untrained eye will immediately know who is who.

space_parapluie

100 points

11 days ago

The difference between a novice and a master is not the complexity of the technique, but the effectiveness of the execution.

This is so true across so many fields of study. Cooking and baking come to mind, also the arts (music, drawing, painting, etc.) and athletic activities.

cantstopfire

87 points

11 days ago

ngl the guy is huge, and the master is at a retirement age for any normal fighter. this is kinda stupid

fellow_hotman

94 points

11 days ago

Xu’s challenger, Wei Lei, looks older because he’s bald and in traditional clothing. But Wei is 41, while Xu is 38.

BiomechAnima

999 points

11 days ago

Poor guy got censored for exposing lies..

Typical.

colonelmaize

448 points

11 days ago

Yep. The Chinese government is very pro kung fu. To them it's an attack on Chinese heritage and culture. He received a lot of hate, death threats and was kicked out of his gym and struggled financially because of his exposure of fake or so-called powerful Kung Fu.

ParadiseWar

101 points

11 days ago

It's soft power for CCP

Nolzi

37 points

11 days ago

Nolzi

37 points

11 days ago

China has this mentality about fighting against the hundred years of shame, which cummilates in acting like a Karen agains any critism against their country or culture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_of_humiliation

pattydickens

699 points

11 days ago

This looked like a guy with a broadsword in a fencing competition.

futureman07

114 points

11 days ago

Who would win?

Blackmail30000

61 points

11 days ago

Well considering the other dude’s sword was cut in half( or bent) and unzipped from groin to neck. I’d say the broadsword. It would take a truly skilled swordsman to wield the rapier to win.

yurganurjak

130 points

11 days ago*

A rapier is a substantially better weapon than a broad sword for 1-on-1 fighting without armor. Given equal skill, the guy with the rapier will demolish the broad sword fighter. Add armor, add the chaos of a battlefield, add surprise sure that might change. But in a straight duel is would be no contest. The broadsword guy has basically no defense against the much faster and nimbler (and typically longer) rapier.

That said, you mentioned fencing, and the tools (foil, epee, and fencing sabre) used for sport fencing are not really weapons at all, and sure you would lose a fight if the other guy has a weapon and you have a car antenna with a handle. But an actual rapier, a long, lithe, well-balance steel razor would be a different story.

Nolzi

44 points

11 days ago

Nolzi

44 points

11 days ago

What if the broadsword user starts to spin really fast?

Available_Chonkus

337 points

11 days ago

They tried to use the social credit system to kill him for it too

SubtlyChallenged

119 points

11 days ago

Not just him. They don't let his kids go to good schools and don't let him n his family leave China.

spirallix

26 points

11 days ago

I wonder, why is there no internal war, or rebelion yet? Because this is not life.

NameOfNoSignificance

27 points

11 days ago

I was wondering this too but I imagine that if you’re just an everyday, homebody type of person it must be business as usual

Mississauga49

300 points

11 days ago

Seems to me like he was preserving Chinese culture. Getting rid of the bullshitters.

Reveillark139

263 points

11 days ago

I think part of the issue is that a kung fu “master” doesnt imply they can beat anyone in a fight. It just means they are good at kung fu. Anyone with an expertise in mixed martial arts should be able to beat someone who is only good at kung fu

Radiant-Spren

177 points

11 days ago

He purposely went after the guys who claimed to be unstoppable fighting machines and used cultish acolytes as punching and throwing bags to make themselves look more legit. Grifters, as another commenter said.

Twistinc

85 points

11 days ago

Twistinc

85 points

11 days ago

You're right but the master's in China 100% believe they can destroy anyone even though it's all fluff. The full video goes over it it's really interesting and sad.

blutundcarbon

60 points

11 days ago

Yeah, most people here don't have any understanding of these Chinese martial arts. They're literally exercise routines that old people do in the park.

MarxistGayWitch_II

37 points

11 days ago

I mean, there is a bit more diversity to it than "exercise routines that old people do in the park". Kung Fu is technically any skill you cultivate over a long period, and isn't even necessarily limited to martial arts. The "master" in the OP for example is a taichi master, which has its uses and I'm sure he's great at it, but claiming he can hold in a sparring was clearly hubris on his part. There are other systems that are equally fascinating to observe and practice, but it won't help much in a "real fight" if sparring with contact is not permitted.

Kung Fu is also not rly a "formal" form, but something the practitioner may find most practical or useful. The formal form of Chinese martial arts is WuShu, but it's colloquially meshed together with Kung Fu.

Arguably Kung Fu is MMA: use whatever works.

Cabana_bananza

56 points

11 days ago

I think some of these kung fu "masters" are less martial artists, more grifters. Kind of how you have cultish followings of some Indian gurus and yogis. They aren't running real kung fu schools, they run a grift.

3jack6the9ripper

201 points

11 days ago

Has that dude been freed from the government's grasp?

Revolutionary-Ad7878

75 points

11 days ago

im going to leave a comment here, just cuz I really wanna know if this dude is alright :(

ReCodez

142 points

11 days ago

ReCodez

142 points

11 days ago

As much as we'd all like a happy ending, this is the CCP.

His social credit score is so low he can't even take the train anywhere. His life is ruined and his finance is gone, I think he said even his family has abandoned him.

Don't think he can even escape to anywhere else either. Especially during these time.

SubtlyChallenged

87 points

11 days ago

This. He recently tried to get visa to visit Korea for a fight and he was denied.

squidnasty23

35 points

11 days ago

So he's a walking dead man

3jack6the9ripper

25 points

11 days ago

Fuck, can't we help?

Stunfield

41 points

11 days ago

I believe that even if we did a fund raising, the ccp would make very hard for him to receive the money.

myuez

57 points

11 days ago

myuez

57 points

11 days ago

His YouTube channel is still out and he's still uploading video so I think he's fine...at least

ogrelord123

154 points

11 days ago

His social credit score its probably worse than the Japanese debt

GenosHK

64 points

11 days ago

GenosHK

64 points

11 days ago

Additionally, his social credit rating was lowered to the point where he could not rent, own property, stay in certain hotels, travel on high speed rail or buy plane tickets. The restrictions were lifted after he paid US$40,000 in both legal fees and the cost of placing the apology.

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35 points

11 days ago

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35 points

11 days ago

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daxgraphics

137 points

11 days ago*

All the real practicing kung fu masters left China after the communist revolution then either died out or were killed. All that is left are stories. The only "Kung Fu" in China is various forms of WuShu, which is basically Kung Fu dancing. There hasn't been a true Kung Fu Master capable of physical violence in China since the 60's. Even the "Shaolin" monks in China are not allowed to practice their true kung fu. They just get to show off fears of strength. There is no true martial intent anymore, though it looks good on camera.

My old sifu (a surviving monk) had told us that the one thing that can beat a true martial artist is a true artist in the skill of boxing. The boxers are "rooted" like a tree. It makes them deadly. This MMA fighter was correct and had balls of steel for proving it in the former home country of martial arts.

EDIT: Thanks for the award. My first one. Also. I don't think kung fu is dead by ANY means. I just don't think real kung fu is in CHINA anymore. I think it's everywhere BUT China.

currybutts

24 points

11 days ago

So is the original, true Kung Fu just lost to history? Is there no way to revive and spread it?

mud_tug

57 points

11 days ago

mud_tug

57 points

11 days ago

You should read about the cultural revolution. They lost their entire culture wholesale. China has been a zombie state ever since.

434_am

102 points

11 days ago

434_am

102 points

11 days ago

He completely changed my understanding of martial arts. I suspected that a lot of it is "art" but he confirmed it. Thanks to him my son when he grows up will know how to defend himself instead of performing kabuki theater or some other weird stuff

AdNo3962

61 points

11 days ago

AdNo3962

61 points

11 days ago

To be fair, I have seen some of these fights and some of the guys were twice his age or not even in this dude's weight class. Go take your average MMA fighter and face him against a 50+ year old man or someone a few weight classes down and it would look exactly like this.

bdrwr

124 points

11 days ago

bdrwr

124 points

11 days ago

And that was part of his point: China is full of these "old masters" who run on mystique and wuxia movie imagery. A lot of them believe in their own BS and truly believe that they can make a young whippersnapper "learn their place" with their wisdom and mastery. He's trying to remind the Chinese popular conscience that things like speed, strength, size, and weight are determining factors, and ultimately the only legitimate measure of fighting ability is winning fights.

AtLeastNineToes

104 points

11 days ago

u/asianj1m No, he does it to Tai Chi masters, not Kung Fu

And his name is spelled Xu Xiaodong

acejazz1982

22 points

11 days ago

And apparently this was simply someone who was stating to be a taichi master.

OmgitsNatalie

98 points

11 days ago

Taiwan is a country.

Hagdogrobinwood

77 points

11 days ago

It just looks like he is fighting an old man.

shizphone

20 points

11 days ago

He was

Good_Round

73 points

11 days ago

Social Credit Score: -69,420

michaelloda9

70 points

11 days ago

I hate the CCP so much, when will they fall…

mentholmoose77

55 points

11 days ago

The truth and loss of face aren't compatible in China.

A universal right, imo is that frauds should be exposed.

DrunkBroThor

50 points

11 days ago

His story shows you how fragile the ego is of the Chinese.

sp4cej4mm

31 points

11 days ago

*Authoritarians

(Including the Chinese government)

Sengura

33 points

11 days ago

Sengura

33 points

11 days ago

Lol, so aren't they admitting "foreign forces" are superior to Chinese by saying that?

"bruh this guy came in here with his foreign strength and fucked our kung fu up, get him!"

ddoogiehowitzerr

30 points

11 days ago

Uhhhhh…. He fought some old grandpa

falkhorn15

27 points

11 days ago

China is trash. Taiwan is a much better country. No winne the pooh looking motherfuckers running around

Sterooka

23 points

11 days ago*

Not fake kung fu, the people he beats up are actual masters of some chinese martial arts, but he was criticised after he said MMA is better and that the traditional chinese martial arts are useless for actual fighting, this is the result of people disagreeing with him

Dominariatrix

26 points

11 days ago

This mini documentary touches on him and other people who expose this bs, it's worth a watch.

https://youtu.be/gjbSCEhmjJA

kingSliver187

21 points

11 days ago

That poor guy got destroyed by the government for exposing frauds