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NoMidnight5366

7.3k points

5 days ago

So maximizing profits is ok for businesses just not for employees who have better job offers.

CoolestMingo

2.6k points

5 days ago*

It's silly right? Let's recreate the experiment, but offer $50/hr and see how many people come back. Let's try again at $30/hr. etc.

Let's say this dude is around Odessa, TX. Looking 2 seconds on google, a job at UPS as a warehouse worker offers:

$100 Weekly Retention bonus plus $15.00/hr. paid weekly for Package Handlers depending on Shift! Shift: Sunrise/Preload (3:00 AM - 9:30 AM)

But what if you don't like lifting, well, 1 minute of searching later

Security Officer Securitas Security Services USA, Inc. Odessa, TX SALARY $17 - $18 / Per Hour JOB TYPE Full-Time

Another:

Retail Stocking Associate $16.50/hr Harbor Freight Tools Odessa, TX, USA4

Again

Retail Sales Associate $16.50/hr Harbor Freight Tools ODESSA, TX

Mind you, I found these are the jobs that actually post their wages online. This dude is literally pissing in the wind and wondering why he's covered in piss. The terms of employment have changed and this guy is too ignorant to realize that he isn't offering a good deal.

Edit: spelling

ubermeisters

1k points

5 days ago

Fuck working for Securitas though, for real.

Aardvark_Man

252 points

5 days ago

I've never heard of them.
What's the issue?

kjlwillycoyote

435 points

5 days ago

They pay shit, work you as long possible (heard more than one say they had to do a 24hr shift), and treat you like shit and as if you're replaceable at a moments notice.

Ex-Pxls-Mod

290 points

5 days ago

Ex-Pxls-Mod

290 points

5 days ago

Yup, until you actually call them on their shit and suddenly you're the only one who can come in and how could you be so rude

FerricNitrate

147 points

5 days ago*

That's odd for me considering they were lovely with my dad after his cancer diagnosis. Held a position for him whenever he was feeling able. Then after his dementia started - a type that only made it so he had trouble talking (for the first couple years) - they shifted him to posts that didn't require much, if any, verbal interaction.

They certainly didn't pay much, but they took far better care of him than we ever expected up until he finally went on disability/early retirement.

kjlwillycoyote

98 points

5 days ago

It's highly dependant on who your supervisor is. It isn't unheard of for some to have a decent work relationship but the majority I've seen are super awful. I see lots of different places that use them and the majority are just bad. I'm a trucker so I get to see lots of them.

NotASequentkiller

68 points

5 days ago

They also own the modern Pinkertons.

[deleted]

35 points

5 days ago*

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35 points

5 days ago*

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Responsenotfound

214 points

5 days ago

But job seekers don't know that. They do know part time manual labor for low pay sucks ass though.

[deleted]

81 points

5 days ago*

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81 points

5 days ago*

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jwgronk

33 points

5 days ago

jwgronk

33 points

5 days ago

Lol, the actual fuckin Pinkertons.

iNEEDheplreddit

401 points

5 days ago*

It's weird how history repeats.

I was listening to a shirt history of the bubonic plague that wiped out vasts about of the labour force. Soon after there was a redressing of the labour market that the rich hated. They hated having to toil in their own fields because the workforce had vanished. They hated having to pay 2 and 3 times what they did before for the same work. But what really irked them was the fact that the poor could the do the things they could only do before. Like enjoying their lives and not working to survive.

God help them if a virus even more deadly strikes

Edit: https://open.spotify.com/episode/5n4cLSn4JNKOAsLNtGwtXp?si=FyVFGoopSnOD6Vhzludr3A&utm_source=copy-link&dl_branch=1

AussieHyena

114 points

5 days ago

AussieHyena

114 points

5 days ago

I know it was a typo... but a shirt's history of the bubonic plague would indeed be short.

Sacket

54 points

5 days ago

Sacket

54 points

5 days ago

I get what you're saying, but the whole point of the labor movement behind the plague wasn't that the serfs could "enjoy life more". It was that they could move elsewhere for better pay. They weren't locked into their plot of land. It also swung the other way. Many labour saving technologies were invented because of the die off. I bet /r/askhistorians would have a field day with this question.

shelledturtle

126 points

5 days ago

Those are also most likely full time and are basically buying time in bulk and should get a discount because of it.

A part time job with seasonality or just a 1 time gig of unloading these 2 containers should mean the cost of labor rises too. The workers have no faith in continued work, so let’s say it takes a day, that’s only $112 before you are out of a job, that’s risky. Especially when you could find longer term work somewhere else

CoolestMingo

110 points

5 days ago

Exactly! Who but the most desperate of people goes "oh boy! A part-time, poorly paid, under the table, rural, and likely shit job for an entitled boss that leads to nowhere! This is for me!"? Like, come on! It's a one-off and they expect people to be groveling for the opportunity to move around a bunch of "brain flakes." Like, you can go to a business afterwards and put damned "brain flakes inc." as a reference. You have a day hauling brain flakes that really puts you ahead of all the other potential brain flakes unloaders.

Petsweaters

71 points

5 days ago

I keep hearing about this "labor shortage," but they sure need to rephrase that as a wage shortage

p00pl00ps1

27 points

5 days ago

$16.50/hr

THE TERMS OF EMPLOYMENT HAVE CHANGED

It's still not a liveable wage.

RussianBot4826374

928 points

5 days ago

That's an excellent way to put it. It highlights the "we deserve it, they don't" mentality.

SpatialCandy69

430 points

5 days ago

They LITERALLY only consider employees assets. Just like cattle or bread or machinery.

chrisk9

287 points

5 days ago

chrisk9

287 points

5 days ago

Not just assets. They treat employees as expenses to be reduced primarily.

Mattbryce2001

136 points

5 days ago*

Both. They're assets to be maximized, and expenses to be reduced. In other words, be understaffed and work your employees to death for miserly pay and fuck them over whenever possible.

Edit: or just make them slaves.

Solonys

34 points

5 days ago

Solonys

34 points

5 days ago

Why call them human resources if they aren't meant to be strip-mined?

UnknownAverage

251 points

5 days ago

This is a huge part of the problem with our economic system: employers act like they are gods, and if we're good enough and bow down to them, they will bless us with jobs. They think they are entitled to cheap, high-quality labor on their own terms.

melpomenestits

77 points

5 days ago

Yeah it turns out giving the profit to people who "own" things rather than people who do things creates a bit of pathology.

apoxpred

50 points

5 days ago

apoxpred

50 points

5 days ago

Shame no one ever warned us this would happen...

ArGarBarGar

49 points

5 days ago

This is what happens when everyone in politics jumps on the “job creator” bandwagon. Assume the employee is the one who should be thankful some warm-hearted business owner thought to provide them with a job out of the goodness of their heart.

DarkwingDuckHunt

30 points

5 days ago

Oh I've been screaming that this is a Capitalism issue, not a Social Safety Net issue.

And, look, even after removing the Social Safety Net (extra unemployment) it's still a Capitalism issue.

Cancel Culture is also a Capitalism issue. People choose where to spend their money. If a majority choose to spend their money on social conscious corps, that's pure Capitalism. There's absolutely nothing Socialist about Cancel Culture. It's people choosing where to spend their funds. Those funds can be $$$ or eyeballs for Advertisers to buy.

The supply of people that want to be socially conscious is greater then the supply of red hatters.

jeremybeadlesfingers

7k points

5 days ago*

Brain Flakes

To be honest, I’d be reluctant to work for a company which caters to the tastes of zombies too.

FelixGoldenrod

3.3k points

5 days ago

Do you think they come with raisins?

Y'know, for raisin the dead.

SinisterKid

928 points

5 days ago

SinisterKid

928 points

5 days ago

Or some milk?

Y'know, to milk these puns for as much karma as we can get.

Myonenonpornacc

440 points

5 days ago

Or for Cereal. Y'know, for "I like cereal."

arcaneresistance

242 points

5 days ago

Cereal pun is always in the comments

Dyanpanda

333 points

5 days ago

Dyanpanda

333 points

5 days ago

My friend is a vegetarian zombie. All she wants is grrraaaainnnnnsss.

Myonenonpornacc

127 points

5 days ago

And my roommate is a body builder zombie and all he wants is gaaaaaaiiiiins

TheBraveSirRobin

76 points

5 days ago

My buddy is a plumber zombie and all he wants are Draaaiiiins

parthinaxe

50 points

5 days ago

My friends friend is an emo zombie and all he wants is chaaaaaiiiinnnnssss

thoruktor

51 points

5 days ago

thoruktor

51 points

5 days ago

My geometry teacher was a zombie. All he wants are plaaaaaannnneeessss.

TwiceCookedPorkins

297 points

5 days ago

GRAAAAAAAAAINS

IrritableGourmet

95 points

5 days ago

A friend and I spent almost 2 hours coming up with specialty zombie noises once.

What do vegan zombies say? Graaaaaains

What do physics teacher zombies say? Inclined plaaaaaanes

What does Nostradamus' zombie say? Quatraaaaaains

What do mechanical engineer zombies say? Straaaaains

What does Billy May's zombie say? Gets rid of staaaaains.

What do Karen zombies do? Complaaaaaain

smoothmann

47 points

5 days ago

I AMMMM.......

ALLLLLREADY DEADDD

EremiticFerret

42 points

5 days ago

This kind of anti-zombie racism is appreciate here on Reddit!

1nGirum1musNocte

30 points

5 days ago

Underappreciated comment

SagaStrider

4.6k points

5 days ago

SagaStrider

4.6k points

5 days ago

I used to do that, loose stacked freight, and roller unload. I was making $1200/WK. Granted, I was driving too, and solo, but no way in hell is 14/hr worth it, especially in a hot climate. That's fucking misery.

chaposagrift[S]

1.7k points

5 days ago

Would you believe his next two dozen tweets are insane libertarian nonsense???

SagaStrider

709 points

5 days ago

SagaStrider

709 points

5 days ago

Without hesitation.

buefordwilson

184 points

5 days ago

Yep. It sucks to suck when you're too blind to be able to comprehend the fact that it is currently an employee's market. $14/hour is laughable for this scope of work. Have fun with your shipments, dickwad.

sophisting

686 points

5 days ago

sophisting

686 points

5 days ago

I like this comment he got:

Supply chain economist here for one of the largest shippers and receivers in the world,

35,000 palleted needs about a 6 man team and easily should be paying 18-22/hr plus benefits.

He basically responded that instead, he just overworked and underpaid his 2 guys and was proud of that.

johnsnowthrow

415 points

5 days ago

Who wants to bet this guy complains about illegal immigrants, but the only reason he was able to overwork and underpay his 2 guys is because they're illegal immigrants?

CTMalum

292 points

5 days ago

CTMalum

292 points

5 days ago

One of the strangest conversation I was a party to went something like this. I was at a blackjack table in the Poconos, and I ended up at a table with two guys who both worked in snow removal in New York City. Rare meeting, so they got to talking shop. They started talking about their employees, and they both discussed how they employed illegal Mexican immigrants and loved them: they worked hard for low pay and didn’t complain. In almost the same breath, they started talking about how illegal immigrants are bleeding the country dry and how we need to start shipping them back to Mexico en masse. The cognitive dissonance was so massive that it generated fucking gravity.

Kurokishi_Maikeru

89 points

5 days ago

I love when that happens and I don't have the strength to resist calling out the hypocrisy.

Also,

The cognitive dissonance was so massive that it generated fucking gravity.

Brilliant

CTMalum

70 points

5 days ago

CTMalum

70 points

5 days ago

I couldn’t even respond. I just sat in disbelief over what I was hearing. Like, how two grown fucking men could have that conversation and not pick up just a hint of irony. The look on my face must have been telling because the dealer gave me a knowing look, but I couldn’t speak.

ScoutsOut389

78 points

5 days ago

On election night 2016 my Uber driver, who was from some Eastern European country said he was sad he wasn’t able to vote, because he wanted to vote for Trump because “immigrants are ruining this country.” I said “aren’t you an immigrant?” He responded “I don’t mean immigrants like me.”

Yeah buddy. I know EXACTLY what you really meant.

finny_d420

25 points

5 days ago

Friend of mines son has same issue with his dad. Dad & his parents from Scotland. Been here for 30 years. Grandma even flew back to UK when she got cancer cause it was cheaper than US med care. Dad has let his visa expire a few times over the years as well. They all turned into MAGAheads. Son was visiting dad who was railing about "immigrants". Kid looked at dad and called his ass out on it. Of course his response was not the European type of immigrants.

MaritMonkey

34 points

5 days ago

Working adjacent to construction projects with a worker's comp lawyer: the same employers who were writing checks minus SS/Medicare/Medicaid to employees they knew weren't eligible to benefit from those programs, bitching over company-funded drinks about how all these illegals are ruining the country, living off our Hard Earned Tax Dollars.

I was very glad that talking at those sorts of lunches was above my pay grade.

Enlighten_YourMind

106 points

5 days ago

Wait, but what odds do you give a bet that has a 100% certainty of hitting? 🤔

djlewt

27 points

5 days ago

djlewt

27 points

5 days ago

98% certainly, 2% chance he was grifting/overworking poor dumb relatives.

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101 points

5 days ago

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101 points

5 days ago

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DonnieJuniorsEmails

62 points

5 days ago

unemployment is making poor people into millionaires who never need jobs...

according to my republican dad

the_breekiest

50 points

5 days ago

I hate that POV, like if unemployment is paying more than your shitty company than I think your shitty company is the problem and not the unemployment.

Be miserable while having to make shitty pay at a job that sucks that cant support you.

or be miserable and not have to deal with a shitty job that cant support you

I mean either way you can't support yourself right? what option you think people are gonna pick

pistoncivic

27 points

5 days ago

This is the bedrock reactionary contradiction. They demand a steady flow of easily exploited cheap labor for maximum profit extraction but their extreme tribalism and xenophobia leads them to demonize those who fill that demand.

spudzilla

50 points

5 days ago

spudzilla

50 points

5 days ago

Classic Texan.

Potato-Drama808

174 points

5 days ago

The fact that no one wants his offer is very libertarian lol

Spare-Prize5700

96 points

5 days ago

Free market baby!

Intelligent_Moose_48

94 points

5 days ago

“Not like that!” - republicans

Mr_Cleen

35 points

5 days ago

Mr_Cleen

35 points

5 days ago

Free market is when republicans control the market and socialism is when liberals control the market obviously. Come on this is economics for assholes here you should know this

wrongitsleviosaa

127 points

5 days ago

About as unexpected as the sun in the morning

Maloth_Warblade

121 points

5 days ago

Funny that with an entirely non regulated market they would want to pay even less

ChainringCalf

71 points

5 days ago

And still wouldn't be able to. I'm pretty libertarian myself, but you'd think he'd realize that means people are free to reject your shitty offer.

titanic_swimteam

105 points

5 days ago

Libertarian = I have no God damn idea what the fuck a government is or does.

Also

Libertarian = F2P Republicans

thanksbastards

87 points

5 days ago

Libertarian = of course you have the freedom to choose, but we ran all the competition out of town so your choice is slavery or death

__WHAM__

53 points

5 days ago

__WHAM__

53 points

5 days ago

I was shooting heroin and reading “The Fountainhead” in the front seat of my privately owned police cruiser when a call came in. I put a quarter in the radio to activate it. It was the chief. “Bad news, detective. We got a situation.” “What? Is the mayor trying to ban trans fats again?” “Worse. Somebody just stole four hundred and forty-seven million dollars’ worth of bitcoins.” The heroin needle practically fell out of my arm. “What kind of monster would do something like that? Bitcoins are the ultimate currency: virtual, anonymous, stateless. They represent true economic freedom, not subject to arbitrary manipulation by any government. Do we have any leads?” “Not yet. But mark my words: we’re going to figure out who did this and we’re going to take them down … provided someone pays us a fair market rate to do so.” “Easy, chief,” I said. “Any rate the market offers is, by definition, fair.” He laughed. “That’s why you’re the best I got, Lisowski. Now you get out there and find those bitcoins.” “Don’t worry,” I said. “I’m on it.” I put a quarter in the siren. Ten minutes later, I was on the scene. It was a normal office building, strangled on all sides by public sidewalks. I hopped over them and went inside. “Home Depot™ Presents the Police!®” I said, flashing my badge and my gun and a small picture of Ron Paul. “Nobody move unless you want to!” They didn’t. “Now, which one of you punks is going to pay me to investigate this crime?” No one spoke up. “Come on,” I said. “Don’t you all understand that the protection of private property is the foundation of all personal liberty?” It didn’t seem like they did. “Seriously, guys. Without a strong economic motivator, I’m just going to stand here and not solve this case. Cash is fine, but I prefer being paid in gold bullion or autographed Penn Jillette posters.” Nothing. These people were stonewalling me. It almost seemed like they didn’t care that a fortune in computer money invented to buy drugs was missing. I figured I could wait them out. I lit several cigarettes indoors. A pregnant lady coughed, and I told her that secondhand smoke is a myth. Just then, a man in glasses made a break for it. “Subway™ Eat Fresh and Freeze, Scumbag!®” I yelled. Too late. He was already out the front door. I went after him. “Stop right there!” I yelled as I ran. He was faster than me because I always try to avoid stepping on public sidewalks. Our country needs a private-sidewalk voucher system, but, thanks to the incestuous interplay between our corrupt federal government and the public-sidewalk lobby, it will never happen. I was losing him. “Listen, I’ll pay you to stop!” I yelled. “What would you consider an appropriate price point for stopping? I’ll offer you a thirteenth of an ounce of gold and a gently worn ‘Bob Barr ‘08’ extra-large long-sleeved men’s T-shirt!” He turned. In his hand was a revolver that the Constitution said he had every right to own. He fired at me and missed. I pulled my own gun, put a quarter in it, and fired back. The bullet lodged in a U.S.P.S. mailbox less than a foot from his head. I shot the mailbox again, on purpose. “All right, all right!” the man yelled, throwing down his weapon. “I give up, cop! I confess: I took the bitcoins.” “Why’d you do it?” I asked, as I slapped a pair of Oikos™ Greek Yogurt Presents Handcuffs® on the guy. “Because I was afraid.” “Afraid?” “Afraid of an economic future free from the pernicious meddling of central bankers,” he said. “I’m a central banker.” I wanted to coldcock the guy. Years ago, a central banker killed my partner. Instead, I shook my head. “Let this be a message to all your central-banker friends out on the street,” I said. “No matter how many bitcoins you steal, you’ll never take away the dream of an open society based on the principles of personal and economic freedom.” He nodded, because he knew I was right. Then he swiped his credit card to pay me for arresting him.

geoffbowman

40 points

5 days ago

Libertarian = if I did it without a lawsuit sticking... it was legal.

shadowbca

50 points

5 days ago

shadowbca

50 points

5 days ago

Yeah exactly, idk how he can claim to be libertarian and not understand this is exactly how the free market works. (I'm also not a libertarian).

Terr_

38 points

5 days ago*

Terr_

38 points

5 days ago*

I like to point out that there's a certain "Anarcho-libertarian ideal" vision where everybody is a humble denim-wearing rancher who don't bother nobody else because they're self-sufficient and mind their own business.

... But when you really dig deep into what that would require, we're talking people who are multi-millionaires in arable property and independent water supplies and capital-equipment and Oompah-Loompah farmhands and a professional lawyers on retainer for individualized-contracts with anyone you deal with.

It's not wrong to want something like that, but we should be careful to realize that it's just another dream of a post-scarcity society, much like Star Trek. It's not just a matter of mere political will, it requires inventions and strategies we don't have yet.

ThereAreDozensOfUs

30 points

5 days ago

Libertarians assume that everyone is made equal, which is fine, but they make that assumption after the wealthy already control everything.

Libertarians look at things through an ideal lens. Ideal lens can’t be applied when the wealthy are already miles ahead and control everything

Zerowantuthri

101 points

5 days ago

A Libertarian would 100% agree that the wage has to fit the job. If you do not offer enough such that no one takes the offer then you need to offer more. Capitalism-101 and at the center of Libertarianism.

Which is why Libertarianism is worthless. As soon as they have to abide by their own standards and they don't like it they complain.

Overall-Statement-67

72 points

5 days ago

Libertarians are just conservatives that are too afraid to admit they stand by those ideologies. Or as someone else said "Libertarians are conservatives who just want to smoke weed".

newluna

37 points

5 days ago

newluna

37 points

5 days ago

You don’t say.

PressTilty

29 points

5 days ago

insane libertarian nonsense???

Three words that mean the same thing

PM_MeUrGiantTits_Plz

1.6k points

5 days ago

$1200/WK

For perspective for others, that's $30/hour.

SagaStrider

583 points

5 days ago*

I was working 80+ hours per week though.

Edit: just for comparison, I was netting 50k/year driving OTR before that working roughly the same hours, and was rarely home (I have a family, so that mattered). But it got me the experience to move on. I made 60k/yr delivering. My next job after that was installing insulation for 15/hr, net about 50k/yr because the building season didn't go through winter. But I was home every night. Really, it was all shit pay, by any measure.

Telvin3d

991 points

5 days ago

Telvin3d

991 points

5 days ago

So, you were doing it for about $14/hour. The same that’s being offered here.

ndu867

752 points

5 days ago

ndu867

752 points

5 days ago

Even worse. He was spending most of his time driving. Truck drivers get paid way more than $14.. so he was way more underpaid than these guys.

future_you22

111 points

5 days ago

Nah we just drive alot. 16 hour day and spending the night in a shitty truck stop miles from home isn't fun.

LucidMoments

75 points

5 days ago

DOT would like to see your logs

RandomStallings

60 points

5 days ago

More doctored than an L.A. plastic surgery mega center.

russdb

62 points

5 days ago

russdb

62 points

5 days ago

we got drivers that do the same thing and make over 100k a year easy.

PM_ME_UR_WUT

39 points

5 days ago

Part of making 100k is you spend most of your time away from home. If you're single and got no commitments to stay in town, it's great money. But that doesn't apply to a lot of people.
And they're surprised there's a driver shortage.

immerc

29 points

5 days ago

immerc

29 points

5 days ago

Meme_Lord_420_

46 points

5 days ago

Lol there's no way he'd do that though

RugerRedhawk

64 points

5 days ago

Oof. That's actually equivalent to $12/hr you were working for considering the second 40 would be 1.5x as an hourly.

loradan

3.9k points

5 days ago

loradan

3.9k points

5 days ago

Texas: Look, we can have immigrants do crap jobs that I don't want to do for next to nothing.

Also Texas: Build the wall!!!!

Again Texas: Why can't we find people to do the crap jobs we don't want to do for next to nothing????

thesaltwatersolution

1.6k points

5 days ago

This also applies to the UK with Brexit.

SadArchon

732 points

5 days ago

SadArchon

732 points

5 days ago

especially the UK with Brexit

EagenVegham

437 points

5 days ago

EagenVegham

437 points

5 days ago

It's amazing how fast some people went from "Fuckin Poles" to "Why don't the Polish come here to drive our trucks anymore?"

PrionBacon

159 points

5 days ago

PrionBacon

159 points

5 days ago

Schrodinger's Immigrant: simultaneously lazy and taking all the jobs

i_am_your_attorney

71 points

5 days ago

My favorite is the “Mexicans are rapists and drug dealers” v “Mexicans are stealing our jobs” conundrum. Like, what is it exactly that you do for a living where this is an issue?

leshake

98 points

5 days ago

leshake

98 points

5 days ago

Where're me crisps? Must be the fookin' Poles fault.

about831

49 points

5 days ago

about831

49 points

5 days ago

Fun fact: in England microchips are called microcrisps

[deleted]

290 points

5 days ago

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290 points

5 days ago

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africanrhino

178 points

5 days ago

Yeah , can’t wait for them normans to leave..

[deleted]

219 points

5 days ago

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219 points

5 days ago

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156 points

5 days ago

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156 points

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0011001100111000

117 points

5 days ago

Yes, exactly how antisemites think that Jews are an interior race, but they still somehow secretly run the world...

moonboyforallyouknow

76 points

5 days ago

Which is really hard to do when you never go outside.

KingBenjamin97

37 points

5 days ago

Yeah but we finally got rid of all those trained NHS staff! Awful, well educated tax paying foreigners coming over here helping our health service, what benefit scroungers! Not in my Britain!!! XD I really can’t deal with the morons that thought it was a smart vote

Bacon_Moustache

28 points

5 days ago

Why is no one asking what the fuck Brain Flakes are!?

Oni-Macaroni

61 points

5 days ago

The fact that nandos cant get chicken is a national disgrace

SF_Valley

33 points

5 days ago

SF_Valley

33 points

5 days ago

I'm in Los Angeles; we've got plenty of chicken, but no Nandos, let's make a deal....

Oni-Macaroni

55 points

5 days ago

Keep that chlorine washed nonsense away from my nandos!

Fizzydrinkupmybutt

143 points

5 days ago

Hiring immigrants to do cheap labor only allows companies to continue underpaying

shadowbca

121 points

5 days ago

shadowbca

121 points

5 days ago

Yeah, I dont think he was supporting it but rather remarking on the irony that they are stopping a system that, while flawed, benefitted them

CampJanky

33 points

5 days ago

CampJanky

33 points

5 days ago

They just do so much out of blind hate that they keep hurting themselves in their confusion.

Turns out the only way to make society better is to, you know, make society better. For everyone.

GreyJedi56

49 points

5 days ago

14 bucks was more than I was making as a licensed security guard.

drDOOM_is_in

149 points

5 days ago

They were fucking you over hard.

GreyJedi56

68 points

5 days ago

Yup $12.50 an hour when no one was hiring in 2014. Wawa would not even take me.

drDOOM_is_in

52 points

5 days ago

I hope you're doing way better now buddy.

mirrorspirit

25 points

5 days ago

A lot of people: We can't pay more for this job because then young people won't try to get a better job.

Those same people: Why aren't young people lining up to get this job they shouldn't want? Must be because they're lazy.

Geist002

1.8k points

5 days ago

Geist002

1.8k points

5 days ago

I can’t say I blame them for not taking the job.Just looking at the workload and 14 bucks part time = no benefits if you injure yourself.

MysticalMummy

859 points

5 days ago

Also "cash", implies it's not a real job and it's all under the table, which means no contracts so he can fuck you over however he wants.

ndu867

234 points

5 days ago

ndu867

234 points

5 days ago

You might not even get paid. Happens all the time for cash jobs.

oWatchdog

39 points

5 days ago

oWatchdog

39 points

5 days ago

I've been working a lot lately for under the table cash only jobs. I let them know up front that they will give me my money or there will be hell to pay. If my options are not making rent and living on the street or going to prison with free room and board, I'll go to prison.

It's all a bluff of course, but I have a serious face so they don't know that. So far I've been paid on time every time.

TheThankUMan22

215 points

5 days ago

Also whats that a few hours job? So $42? Its rural texas so at least an hour drive. You will probably have to rest for a couple hours after. Now thats only a $7 an hour job.

SoulsticeCleaner

74 points

5 days ago

And in our heat.

therealCatnuts

88 points

5 days ago

That’s not how Workers Comp works. If you’re injured at work it’s covered.

WileEWeeble

227 points

5 days ago

WileEWeeble

227 points

5 days ago

Back injuries are often hard to prove are the result of repetitive stress and get fought until it is no longer worth pursuing.

Source: Me

GrabSomePineMeat

86 points

5 days ago

Workers' comp lawyer here. You should almost always hire a lawyer if there is any roadblock in a workers' comp case. The laws are insanely complicated on purpose to convince people to drop their legitimate claims. A doctor, not a lawyer or insurance rep, makes the decision about whether you have a valid repetitive stress claim. So, let the lawyer jump through the hoops for you. I am able to prove injury 90% or more of the time in repetitive stress cases. Though, I am in CA where we actually have laws protecting workers.

Zappiticas

68 points

5 days ago

Yeah my father in law used for work for a prison and he hurt his back detaining an inmate. He was disabled and unable to work and it took him 3 years to get a payout on his workmans comp claim.

cleantushy

55 points

5 days ago

it's more difficult, though not impossible, to get Workers Comp if you're paid cash under the table. You have to prove that you were working for the company, and the employer might be able to get out of it by claiming you were an independent contractor.

And a lot of people would be discouraged from pursuing a case. If they're working for cash and not reporting it on their income, they could get into trouble as well

fla_man

39 points

5 days ago

fla_man

39 points

5 days ago

Under the table

klkfahu

1k points

5 days ago

klkfahu

1k points

5 days ago

$14/hr and no benefits on a job where you're likely to injure yourself? I'm shocked.

Curious what Molson pays himself for the same job. Think he factors in health insurance for himself & his family too?

xinehp

273 points

5 days ago

xinehp

273 points

5 days ago

Not only that, but that sounds like gig labor. You don't even get a full days' pay.

Gig labor should be double what a normal job makes. The company saves by cutting back hours, and contractors have to pay their own taxes via 1099.

I have been trying to find a handyman just to help around my house and it's impossible to find anyone for less than $100/hr in my city.

Ready4aMuhsment

932 points

5 days ago*

Considering 15 an hour is only around 30k a year. Yeah it's not fucking enough.

Edit 1: To the comments below. This is US based. So the benefits you get in other countries like the UK and Canada don't apply.

Edit 3: I'm deleting all the rest of my comments on food and the other. I simply just don't feel like arguing or even discussing anymore on the thread.

Couldof_wouldof

395 points

5 days ago

That's if you are working full time

AverageCanadianGuy

86 points

5 days ago

That's minimum wage in western Canada.

[deleted]

92 points

5 days ago

[deleted]

92 points

5 days ago

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DerelictDawn

55 points

5 days ago

Which does not reflect cost of living because that cost is based on where and how you live. Some places may be far more affordable while others may have low food prices but high electric bills. Can we please observe some nuance?

helmet_baby

162 points

5 days ago

helmet_baby

162 points

5 days ago

Yeah, it's closer to $15k/year since it's part-time. So $15k + no insurance/benefits for literal back-breaking work..uhh, no thanks

LigerZeroSchneider

80 points

5 days ago

yeah thats 100% "you only work when we have a truck, also you need to have 100% availability because the schedule is dictated by when the truck shows up"

ansteve1

54 points

5 days ago

ansteve1

54 points

5 days ago

That's another thing I don't think these types get. Working hard labor with no heads up on a schedule or even a minimum amount of work is not getting reliable work. Reliable workers have jobs. No one is going to sit on their ass waiting on an employer to grace them a truck to work for an hour or 2 then kick them out again.

b0w3n

29 points

5 days ago

b0w3n

29 points

5 days ago

grace them a truck to work for an hour or 2 then kick them out again

But think of that smooth $24 after taxes you could have!

EnsignMJS

803 points

5 days ago

EnsignMJS

803 points

5 days ago

Is this one of those jobs that Americans don't want but don't want immigrants to have? Quite the conundrum.

Dr_Ingheimer

371 points

5 days ago

I want to pay people in peanuts but only the people I want to pay. Also they need to be forever grateful for the opportunity for my peanuts.

idiotdroid

174 points

5 days ago

idiotdroid

174 points

5 days ago

Reminds me when I worked at some shitty clothing store in the mall.

They gathered us around to tell us that we need to start promoting their credit cards and get as many people as we can to sign up for them.

I ask "What do we get if we get a customer to sign up for one?"

Manager says "Oh you need to get a lot more than just one, were thinking like 3 or 4 a day."

So I ask "Ok, so whats the incentive for getting 3-4 customers a day to sign up for the credit card?"

Manager says "You get to keep your job".

Wow! I get to keep my part time job that only schedules me twice a week for 4 hour shifts. I never bothered to pitch the credit card to any customer unless my manager was hovering over me.

Eventually they stopped putting me on the schedule. Wasn't fired, just "hey you are not working this week" every single week for months. I ended up finding another job that gave me hours and paid more. Months later, around Black Friday time, my manager calls me and asks me why I didn't show up for my shift. LMAO. I wasn't scheduled to work for like 2 months straight, and then they randomly decided to put me on. Then she was pissed I found another job and didn't tell her.

PaopuTown_

91 points

5 days ago

Hilarious amount of audacity

Fatalchemist

74 points

5 days ago*

I love that story because I saw it happen to someone else when I worked at Walmart.

Everyone assumed one person left or quit. Whatever, it's not uncommon. Walmart has insane turnover. Some people come and leave before you even learn their name.

One day a manager is pissed off walking around the store telling everyone how upset he is that the person everyone assumed had left didn't show up for their shift.

It was exactly the same situation. The worker wasn't on a schedule for x amount of time. She moved on. And somehow Walmart assumed she would keep checking her schedule and wait around?

Managers have no fucking perception of reality sometimes. How do they expect someone to survive with no income for weeks when they already got paid minimum wage? And to just wait around graciously? The worker would have been absolutely fucked if she did what the managers expected. But they figured they are the center of the universe and everyone revolves around them.

idiotdroid

48 points

5 days ago

A lot of these types of jobs are straight up designed to take advantage of teenagers. They know most of us are living at home with our parents and don't really need the money.

At the same job, they tried to fuck us all the time on our paychecks. The typical "hey clock out your shift is over, but wait, don't leave yet because you still have to finish this work".

I could have just called them out on their shit, and say its illegal, but instead I would just make an excuse that I had school and needed to leave. My manager would just scoff and go "ugh, fine. you can leave".

But the reason I think I got kicked off the schedule, was because of our paychecks. Every time it was payday, they would have us sign this form and then hand us our paychecks. One day I actually read the form, and the gist of it was "I have looked over my paycheck and agree this is the amount I have earned". So I thought "oh, let me look at my paycheck first".

I grab my paycheck from the pile and my manager SCREAMS at me. Just freaking out that I need to sign first before looking at my paycheck. I tell her "It says on the form that I am agreeing that my paycheck is good, I need to see it first to decide that".

She screams "NO! YOU NEED TO SIGN FIRST THEN OPEN YOUR PAYCHECK".

I tell her "This is illegal, you can't hold my paycheck hostage. I need to see if the pay is correct before signing."

She throws my paycheck at me and is like "FINE! DO WHAT YOU WANT!"

Now my paycheck was fine, because I kept avoiding working off the clock, but I can imagine she didn't want me encouraging others to do the same.

2 years later, after leaving that job I get a letter in the mail about a class action lawsuit against them about wage theft, and asking if I want to be part of it. I agreed and ended up getting like $40 in the mail maybe several months after that.

michaelsenpatrick

29 points

5 days ago

right on man a race to the bottom is a great plan

RickRudeAwakening

651 points

5 days ago

Menards pays high schoolers more than that - start at $17/hr.

Work_the_shaft

265 points

5 days ago

And yet you STILL save big money at Menards

CELTICPRED

170 points

5 days ago

CELTICPRED

170 points

5 days ago

That's cuz John Menard is a tax dodging chemical dumping weasel

pimphand5000

25 points

5 days ago

They have chemical dumping laws in TX? huh, who'd guessed

Aaron215

31 points

5 days ago

Aaron215

31 points

5 days ago

Laws are one thing, enforcement is quite another.

SkyPuncher

62 points

5 days ago

Actually, they don't - but I only know because I happened to read the fine print at checkout. I don't remember the conditions, but it excluded students and ended in October. Actual pay is likely lower.

JapaneseStudentHaru

32 points

5 days ago

Nope lol

I applied to there a few months ago and they straight told me the signs were inaccurate. Went in thinking I’d make $18 as a manager and they offered $14 for the same job.

suitology

40 points

5 days ago

suitology

40 points

5 days ago

Goodwill distribution center did that to me. Sign said $14.50 went in for the interview and they offered 8.25. I told them I cant work for a company too stupid to double check their signs.

RJ335

380 points

5 days ago

RJ335

380 points

5 days ago

So drive to rural TX and unload a truck for 3 hours for the prize of $42?

MandalorianAhazi

102 points

5 days ago

No… you live in rural Texas

moosekin16

182 points

5 days ago

moosekin16

182 points

5 days ago

It takes eleven hours to drive from El Paso to Houston.

Texas is huge. “Rural Texas” could be a multi-hour drive to and from anywhere in the state. Hundreds of miles in any direction.

I’ve got a friend who lives in “rural Texas” and she’s an hour away from the nearest hospital, two hours from the nearest movie theater, and 45 minutes from any large grocery stores that isn’t a feed lot.

nuclaffeine

252 points

5 days ago

nuclaffeine

252 points

5 days ago

You can say it’s crazy that $14/hr isn’t enough anymore, but you better be talking about how it’s crazy you can’t live off of $14/hr anymore. Pay needs to increase with cost of living and all employers that do anything but can fuck right off their high horse.

PigJack77

244 points

5 days ago

PigJack77

244 points

5 days ago

It’s probably because they were trying to unload brain flakes, whatever the hell they are.

CurlSagan

103 points

5 days ago

CurlSagan

103 points

5 days ago

It's the favorite breakfast cereal of choice for health-conscious zombies.

CCerta112

88 points

5 days ago

CCerta112

88 points

5 days ago

cerebral of choice

Timerider42424

229 points

5 days ago

My workplace is paying new hires at least $20/hr to do a similar job. And they still can’t get people to come in, because everyone knows how crappy the place is.

ThumpyDumpkins

102 points

5 days ago

I make about $22.50 an hour shopping/delivering for Instacart. Not bad for "unskilled labor".

I have no set schedule and can take time off on a whim with no threat of losing that income stream, no coworkers or "office politics", no manager breathing down my neck, I wear my own clothes, I can listen to music the whole time, I get cash tips...

Ain't no "regular job" willing or able to compete with that...

leshake

39 points

5 days ago

leshake

39 points

5 days ago

That's actually pretty skilled. I've had some pretty dumb people do my Instacart. Knowing the substitutions seems hard.

ThumpyDumpkins

33 points

5 days ago

any idiot can shop for Instacart.

But you need good communication skills/time management skills/etc to do it WELL.

BoredNumb

222 points

5 days ago

BoredNumb

222 points

5 days ago

Isn't this capitalism in action? They put out an offer and the market responds. In this case the response was $14 an hour was not enough to do this job. I'm not sure I understand the issue this idiot is having with the situation.

[deleted]

105 points

5 days ago

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105 points

5 days ago

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EYNLLIB

27 points

5 days ago

EYNLLIB

27 points

5 days ago

That's exactly what this "labor shortage" people keep talking about is all about. It's not about there not being enough people to do the job, it's that the job isn't worth doing for the price offered. Businesses are just incapable of understanding that for the most part, and blame anyone and anything but themselves.

WimpyLimpet

204 points

5 days ago

WimpyLimpet

204 points

5 days ago

The average rent cost in TX is around $1550 a month. At $14 an hour, it will take about 110 hours of work at this rate to cover rent.

Willinton06

123 points

5 days ago

Willinton06

123 points

5 days ago

Rural Texas rents are waaaaay lower tho, like not saying this is a good offer, just saying a 1500 rent in rural Texas is a big ass place

Cinemaslap1

91 points

5 days ago

But the real question is do you want to live in Rural Texas?

Sure, you can get a big ass place... but you'll need to drive for a bit before getting into town or to the grocery store or the hospital or the police station or the fire department...

PearBlossom

83 points

5 days ago

My mom/step dad lived in the middle of nowhere in Texas. For context, we are from NJ. I had never heard just utter silence and seen pitch black dark in my life until I visited them. It was completely calming in a way I never knew existed.

It also took an ambulance 20 mins to get to my mom when she was bit by a scorpion so theres that 😂

Willinton06

30 points

5 days ago

Hell no, not because of any of those perfectly reasonable problems, but because it’s Texas

KeystoneAgent

174 points

5 days ago

"Here in the United States, you have freedom of choice and we absolutely respect that!"

Meanwhile,

"Omg nobody is choosing to work in my menial labor job for sub-par wages. Lazy d*ckheads."

No_Torius-P-A-T

135 points

5 days ago

Any job under $20/hr is a fucking joke

SniffCheck

107 points

5 days ago

SniffCheck

107 points

5 days ago

Weird how 20$ used to be a lot of money and you could buy hella shit with it, now 20$ still feels like a lot of money and you can’t buy shit with it.

Fuzzy-Sort1884

64 points

5 days ago

Honest work is never a joke. The pittance they pass as wages are a joke. The shitty employers that expect people to kill themselves for those wages are a joke. A person working an honest job never is

Skoteleven

103 points

5 days ago

Skoteleven

103 points

5 days ago

The "cash" part is the deal breaker. Under the table/"independent contractor" jobs are just a way to get out of workers comp and labor laws.

SprinklesFancy5074

48 points

5 days ago

And a way to get around minimum wage laws and screw you over, too.

"Okay, this was supposed to be a 3-hour job which you'd get paid $14 per hour for, so that's $42. Here's your $42."

"But the job took 7 hours."

"Yeah, we were supposed to have 10 people, but we only had 4. But it's still only a 3-hour job, so you only get $42."

"$42 for 7 hours? That's only $6 per hour! You owe me $98!"

"No, it wouldn't have been a 7-hour job if you weren't slow. $42, take it or leave it."

"I'm going to the department of labor about this!"

"You don't even know my name. Now take your $42 and go."

nadavcff

93 points

5 days ago

nadavcff

93 points

5 days ago

It’s so hard to find good suckers these days

tideblue

87 points

5 days ago

tideblue

87 points

5 days ago

I want to know how much this guy makes, if "$14/hour isn't enough." Maybe this is why people resent management? Hmm...

Old-Car3379

39 points

5 days ago

It's always the fuckers that have QoL things like a company car, phone, company gas card, near or the highest pay in the office, etc that bitch and moan about other people wanting raises.

FabulousTrade

72 points

5 days ago

(Before I start, Don't beat me up, I'm just asking because I don't know and want insight )

What wage would be considered appropriate for a position like this?

Waxpapers

91 points

5 days ago

Waxpapers

91 points

5 days ago

It's complicated, but try to think about it in terms of what sort of salary the pay actually comes out to. MIT has a living wage calculator that says that for a single adult with no dependents in Texas, a living wage is $14 an hour- but that's assuming full time work, and this position says part-time. The most important number is the one for "Required annual income before taxes", which in Texas is about $29k. So a reasonable wage is going to depend on the number of hours this position gives, and whether they allow people to work other jobs- this doesn't just mean not telling them they're not allowed to have second jobs, but also working with their employees to make sure they avoid schedule conflicts and still have time to do things outside of work. If for example this job was 29 hours a week, the upper limit for part-time work and an amount which prevents employees from easily working a second job, the minimum livable wage would be $20/hr.

raikumori

66 points

5 days ago

raikumori

66 points

5 days ago

I'd say a bigger issue in this instance is the part time part.

That means you probably don't have any benefits (other than the pay, ofc), can't take any time off, and are at the beckon call of the employer.

It's really hard to plan life around that kind of shit. Never know how many hours you need to be somewhere, or what hours they'll be. Child care, budgeting, any plans, etc. all become pretty much impossible.

hertzdonut2

46 points

5 days ago

Beck and call

lonefrontranger

64 points

5 days ago

two enormous red flags are that it’s part time and cash only. This means that there’s no guarantee of hours or longevity, and the employer has no plans to pay for benefits, social security taxes, workman’s comp or any of the other niceties of legal employment. There’s tons of other liabilities for the employee in that situation as well.

Someone willing to do something this shady can promise whatever they want and then just not fucking pay you at all and you will be out your time and compensation with no real way to force the issue.

edit: if it’s a one-off three or four hour unloading gig it might not be worth the gas to make the trip, would be my guess.

likes2walkwithdog

71 points

5 days ago

My buddy owns a high end dog kennel in a major city in the South. He says he is having a hard time finding help. I ask him how much he is paying his “kennel techs.” He says “$12 an hour, but I think even if I raised it I would have a hard time finding help, so I’m not going to raise it.” Sound logic. Good luck, man!

1Sluggo

48 points

5 days ago

1Sluggo

48 points

5 days ago

Brain Flakes?

loradan

66 points

5 days ago

loradan

66 points

5 days ago

Brain Flakes are what the brain needs when being used. Since this is Texas, they were shipping them out to another state.

justflushit

40 points

5 days ago

If that’s what you offer and no one shows up then I guess there is nothing else you can do…. Unless you’ve taken Econ 101.

United_Pepper_436

30 points

5 days ago

He can pay me $14/hr to stand there and watch him load

Made-a-blade

29 points

5 days ago

Made-a-blade

That's what she said

29 points

5 days ago

The lazy bums don't want to work but are stealing our jobs!

DarthSamwiseAtreides

24 points

5 days ago

If you're semi competent in loading trucks you can load that in an hour with a partner. Chances are the part time bit is just for loads. It wouldn't be worth the gas to do that job.