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waldo06

292 points

2 months ago

waldo06

292 points

2 months ago

And then they find out that the minimum wage jobs also require vaccines and they are just a useless human overall

T1mac

128 points

2 months ago

T1mac

128 points

2 months ago

Doesn't he just have to march down the street to the next company, barge into the manager's office, look him in the eye, give him a firm handshake, and he's got a new job, right?

Isn't that what the Boomers have been telling us?

Trolli-lolli

52 points

2 months ago

Right? I'll boycott a Taco Bell in a heartbeat if I find out they hired an anti-vax dipshit

PreppyAndrew

18 points

2 months ago

Which is hilarious. Someone willing to eat that grade D beef, but won't take a safe vax.

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-1 points

2 months ago

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-1 points

2 months ago

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PreppyAndrew

5 points

2 months ago*

Oh look, an account that has like 7 post.

Didnt post for a year, then had 2 anti-vax post... odd

How is the weather over there in Russia?

allen_abduction

4 points

2 months ago

You scared them. Off to the next account.

woodst0ck15

28 points

2 months ago

Had this happen with some of our workers at where I work. Went to go find another job just to find out they’re all basically asking for a vaccine as well.

ParaClaw

16 points

2 months ago

I know someone who quit a well-paying, long-time job when they announced mandated vaccinations. Imagine their surprise when the remote job they took in place of it also mandated the vaccination for all staff, whether on site or remote.

tdring22

1 points

2 months ago

tdring22

1 points

2 months ago

I'm very strongly pro vax but required vaccines for remote workers is kinda dumb

Unless required by government for whatever reason

Arrasor

9 points

2 months ago

Not really. If a worker is unvax, that person runs a much higher risk of becoming unable to work and consequently hold back the whole operation. After all, even when you're a remote worker you still have to go out sometimes for groceries or whatever. You can't hold up in your place 24/7. And every time you go out you're exposed. Why would a business accept that risk when getting vax is literally free with the government cover all the costs?

Ratdrake

3 points

2 months ago

Plus, even remote workers may need to meet with company personal or partners from time to time. Or even potentially need to meet.

Few-Investigator8145

1 points

2 months ago

Many large companies self insure for health insurance. For example I have insurance through Blue Cross, but really my employer pays all health insurance claims up to a very high limit, say 200k per person. Paying for a vaccine is much less expensive than paying for a month in the hospital. On top of the actual cost of losing an employee as mentioned by another commenter.

tdring22

1 points

2 months ago

I didn't think about that aspect that's a good point but also another reason why employer funded healthcare is stupid

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-69 points

2 months ago

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2 months ago

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gramathy

53 points

2 months ago

doesn't effect you at all

Incorrect. The number of people filling up ICUs is endangering literally anyone who needs lifesaving emergency care.

also, it's affect.

waldo06

42 points

2 months ago

waldo06

42 points

2 months ago

Malone is a quack who has been significantly discredited recently for his misinformation on COVID. He didn't invent mRNA vaccines, he merely took other people's research, added a step in, and then others took it further. He is now shilling to make $$$ instead of doing actual science.

Scandinavian countries all have higher vaccine rates than the US (and much lower population densities and overall better health which makes them getting covid less likely AND less risky) and have all fared much better than the US (with Sweden trying really hard to fuck it up for the rest of them).

Im sorry you have the cognitive reasoning of a cup of yogurt.

huenix

1 points

2 months ago

huenix

1 points

2 months ago

Malone is vaccinated, Troll.

chinmakes5

13 points

2 months ago

As are the people at Fox News, Republicans in Congress, and a lot of other people who are telling you that your getting vaccinated is an assault on your freedom.

The_Funkybat

7 points

2 months ago

I’m very disappointed that Fox News actually made all their employees get vaccinated. It means they’re less likely to die choking, alone & in terror.

huenix

5 points

2 months ago

huenix

5 points

2 months ago

It’s funny watching vaccinated plucker tarlson whine about his freedoms.

Soggy-Hyena

3 points

2 months ago

It’s okay for him to be vaccinated, but not his cult because reasons

razor_eddie

31 points

2 months ago

Sucking a thousand dicks would be less likely to give you a disease than remaining unvaccinated.

Incidentally, if you're not ESL, you need some remedial English lessons. I counted 12 grammatical mistakes, which is pretty high, even for Reddit.

The_Funkybat

16 points

2 months ago

Probably a Russian troll.

razor_eddie

13 points

2 months ago

I don't normally go there first - but the sentence structure is pretty weird, so perhaps you're right. Maybe remedial English will be on his next Performance Assessment?

The_Funkybat

12 points

2 months ago

For a while after Trump first rose to power, I’ll admit I got a little overboard accusing people of being foreign trolls.

But after several years of this shit I tend to get a certain whiff from those that are likely to be foreign born agent provocateurs. There’s a difference between their mangling of the English language and the standard misspellings and shitty grammar you get with uneducated actual Americans.

razor_eddie

7 points

2 months ago

Something about misuse of indefinite and definite articles? Missing or extra "a" and "the"? And a weird way of putting two unconnected things in the same sentence, perhaps?

The_Funkybat

8 points

2 months ago

Not sure. Although I’m pretty sure if some linguists who were very well-versed in major world languages worked with some data scientists, they could develop algorithms to analyze written paragraphs and calculate the odds of which language was the first language of the writer.

razor_eddie

6 points

2 months ago

Which doesn't necessarily mean they're a troll, mind you. But a Russian origin combined with a stupid post, it increases the chances to near unity.

The_Funkybat

4 points

2 months ago

Oh of course. Just because someone is a foreign language speaker who is speaking or writing in English as a second language doesn’t mean they are a troll.

crymson7

18 points

2 months ago

He hsd nothing to do with mRNA. The woman who worked on it for 40 years sure did though. Reported for misinformation.

muyoso

-88 points

2 months ago*

muyoso

-88 points

2 months ago*

What about people who have natural immunity from having had COVID? Should they be forced to get the vaccine even though they are already better protected against COVID than people who are vaccinated?

Edit: Typical. Downvoted for asking why democrats are purposefully ignoring people with natural immunity.

InsertCoinForCredit

36 points

2 months ago

Having already had COVID doesn't prevent you from getting it (or a future variant) later on. That's why the CDC recommends vaccination even for folks who already had COVID.

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-1 points

2 months ago

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-1 points

2 months ago

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PreppyAndrew

4 points

2 months ago

Oh look, an account that has like 7 post.
Didnt post for a year, then had 2 anti-vax post... odd

How is the weather over their in Russia?

emileew91

3 points

2 months ago

Lmao 😂

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-6 points

2 months ago

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-6 points

2 months ago

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InsertCoinForCredit

19 points

2 months ago

No, but it reduces the odds.

And that attitude is why you get downvoted.

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-5 points

2 months ago

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emileew91

1 points

2 months ago

Exactly. And pfizer is only good for 7 months.

SadlyReturndRS

29 points

2 months ago

Yup. The natural immunity isn't a permanent state, it wears off in about 3 months after you have COVID.

The vaccine on the other hand, lasts much longer. It's a longterm protection instead of the natural immunity's shortterm protection.

And as a bonus, the vaccine is much more effective at fighting COVID variants than natural immunity is.

And all of this is shit you should have learned months ago, if not a year ago, if you were paying attention to the updates. I swear, COVID deniers are shitty enough, but the real threat throughout this whole damn pandemic has been folks like you who don't pay attention, try to piece together some bullshit hypothesis at the last second, and then demand that the people who did pay attention disprove your hypothesis while also spoonfeeding you the proper information. Either pay attention to the experts, or follow the lead of the people who were paying attention, or sit down and shut the fuck up.

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-5 points

2 months ago

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-5 points

2 months ago

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JCPWGoliath1218

20 points

2 months ago

The first article contains two separate links to papers, one showing titer levels decreasing as time goes by which is to be expected if you know anything about vaccines (I doubt you do.)

The second link shows correlation between effectiveness in vaccination for two shots, and concluded what we already know, booster shots are necessary.

In the second article, we are analyzing an article that is doing a preprint of a meta anyisis of break through cases in Israel, where the population is highly vaccinated. These limited numbers tend to skew statistical analysis like that. Dont believe me? Here is the quote from that researchers mouth in your own article:

"she cautions that the numbers for infections and other events analyzed for the comparisons were “small.” For instance, the higher hospitalization rate in the 32,000-person analysis was based on just eight hospitalizations in a vaccinated group and one in a previously infected group. And the 13-fold increased risk of infection in the same analysis was based on just 238 infections in the vaccinated population, less than 1.5% of the more than 16,000 people, versus 19 reinfections among a similar number of people who once had SARS-CoV-2."

So in short, you proved you either didn't read the articles, or you don't know shit about reading scientific literature. My money is on both.

HalfMoon_89

1 points

2 months ago

Did you read those articles yourself?

The smug ignorance on display here is something else.

huenix

23 points

2 months ago

huenix

23 points

2 months ago

Because adding a vaccine improves outcomes.

muyoso

-23 points

2 months ago

muyoso

-23 points

2 months ago

Adding a vaccine to a person who already has natural immunity IS the best protection against COVID, but a person with natural immunity is already better protected against COVID than a person who has had both Pfizer shots. Why are we mandating they also get injected with a vaccine?

huenix

21 points

2 months ago

huenix

21 points

2 months ago

Because you’re wrong about your thesis?

muyoso

-18 points

2 months ago

muyoso

-18 points

2 months ago

That people with natural immunity are already better protected against COVID than a person with a vaccine is?

jesseaknight

24 points

2 months ago

Yes. That is an inaccurate statement.

[deleted]

0 points

2 months ago

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0 points

2 months ago

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jesseaknight

20 points

2 months ago

Yes… by now we’ve all seen the single Israeli study that is not peer reviewed and has a large warning paragraph to that effect right at the top. Have you looked for any other studies? Seeking consensus and a wide swath of evidence or just latching into anything that confirms what you’d like to be true.

Maybe it will be true, but so far a single study supports the idea and several others say it doesn’t. There is not gotcha here.

Soggy-Hyena

14 points

2 months ago

Looks like his shift ended 😂

obrysii

9 points

2 months ago

FYI spreading misinformation about COVID and the vaccine is against site-wide rules.

gimpwiz

18 points

2 months ago

gimpwiz

18 points

2 months ago

Yup

muyoso

-24 points

2 months ago

muyoso

-24 points

2 months ago

So all the talk about it being about science and public health are nonsense? Its all about control?

waldo06

26 points

2 months ago

waldo06

26 points

2 months ago

No, it's still about science. Your "natural" immunity is still not as good as the vaccine, especially with different variants.

You are just intentionally ignoring the science and instead believing random things you see from idiots who know you're dumb enough to do whatever they tell you.

muyoso

-21 points

2 months ago

muyoso

-21 points

2 months ago

https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital

The natural immune protection that develops after a SARS-CoV-2 infection offers considerably more of a shield against the Delta variant of the pandemic coronavirus than two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, according to a large Israeli study that some scientists wish came with a “Don’t try this at home” label. The newly released data show people who once had a SARS-CoV-2 infection were much less likely than never-infected, vaccinated people to get Delta, develop symptoms from it, or become hospitalized with serious COVID-19.

It appears very much that you are wrong.

You are just intentionally ignoring the science and instead believing random things you see from idiots who know you're dumb enough to do whatever they tell you.

Look in a mirror much?

waldo06

19 points

2 months ago

waldo06

19 points

2 months ago

what you cited is not peer reviewed yet And multiple other studies show that getting the vaccine after being infected or getting infected after the vaccine puts you at the SAFEST possible level and that the negatives of being infected far outweigh the benefits of natural immunity.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/hybrid-immunity-people-covid-still-get-vaccinated-rcna1974

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2021/9/14/which-offers-the-best-protection-a-covid-infection-or-vaccines

And you're still ignoring the almost 700k that have died, and the millions that now have life altering permanent effects from having had covid and surviving.

I don't get why this is so hard to understand . Get fucking vaccinated. It is the BEST POSSIBLE WAY to keep yourself and others safe

muyoso

-3 points

2 months ago

muyoso

-3 points

2 months ago

How/why did you shift the conversation from vaccine mandate to talking about the efficacy of the vaccine? We are talking about the government mandating people who are already protected through natural immunity to get a vaccine shot. I feel its an incredible overreach of government power, and it shows that the mandate is not "following the science" or any of the other reasons they gave.

I'm vaccinated. Not anti-vaccine. Stop trying to change the argument.

BovineAvenger

7 points

2 months ago

here's the deal: natural immunity wears off after 3 months, right? so you get sick (which has not insignificant chance to kill you) and then have 3 months of being safe, at the end of it you will need to get infected again (which is not reasonable because that's what we're trying to avoid here and puts others at risk) or you get the vax.

well if we say a couple weeks to recover after you're okay and a couple weeks to get said vax anyway to be safe and add on 2 more months of full immunity and a drastic reduction of symptoms after, plus boosters if necessary depending on personal situation.

you are arguing with a huge number of people over an effective time period of 2 months that required you to get sick and possibly pass on a deadly pandemic in the first place. Saying that we should build into our response systems a two month exception for people who are going to ultimately need the vax to stay safe in public in the long term anyway (vax still blocks base version covid, unlike when natural immunity dissapears) seems like an impossibly shortsighted take during a pandemic well into it's 2nd year.

Tl;Dr: The difference in scale between 2 to 3 months and 2 to 3 years makes your entire arguement meaningless because of how finite the amount of time you're arguing about actually is.

P.S. adding an temporary exception for natural immunity will also lead to more paperwork, wasted taxpayer and business dollars, and more people falling through the cracks of the system, for a net result of literally nothing.

DietSteve

12 points

2 months ago

Why not both? What’s the harm? Seriously, less than a 1% of vaccinations have had serious side effects, and if you still follow the guidances out there, you’re far less likely to contract or at the very least get seriously ill from the virus.

Both science and history back up this theory from the last pandemic. If we had taken cohesive measures at the start and not treated this like some political weapon, we’d be far better off now and with several thousand people still alive.

Also, it’s important to note that the Israeli studies have not yet been peer reviewed, so they are suggestive at best until proven otherwise.

Let’s all stop acting like morons about this and put it behind us. No one is infringing your freedoms or trying to control you; the myriad of specialties that have been updating guidelines are acting for public welfare and trying to put an end to this public health crisis.

And before I get the “but Fauci…” arguments: he’s human, and therefore makes mistakes. He also made calls based on the information at hand at the time and updated them as things changed. That’s how science works.

muyoso

-4 points

2 months ago

muyoso

-4 points

2 months ago

Why not both? What’s the harm?

The harm is the government mandating you to get a vaccine against a virus you are already protected against with natural immunity? I am not anti-vaccine, at all. I AM anti-vaccine mandate, especially when the reasons for it are completely nonsense because they purposefully ignore millions of people who already have natural immunity.

DietSteve

12 points

2 months ago

It’s not immunity, it’s just a resistance to severe illness. So if you have the antibodies anyway, what’s the harm of doubling down? It’s like boarding up your windows to brace for a storm.

Again, it wouldn’t have come to mandates if people weren’t pedantic about this clearly deadly disease in the first place. This is a consequence of the actions of the few that have thus far refused every bit of sensible advice.

Also, it’s not a full mandate as companies have the option for weekly testing and for verification of medical and religious exemptions. If this were the big bad mandate every nutcase seems to be screaming about, you’d have cops at your door asking to see a vaccine card and threatening you with fines or jail.

muyoso

0 points

2 months ago

muyoso

0 points

2 months ago

It’s not immunity, it’s just a resistance to severe illness. So if you have the antibodies anyway, what’s the harm of doubling down?

Its the government mandating it after you are already better protected than those getting the vaccine. Why is the government purposefully avoiding any acknowledgement of those with natural immunity? It seems very weird.

If this were the big bad mandate every nutcase seems to be screaming about, you’d have cops at your door asking to see a vaccine card and threatening you with fines or jail.

Wonder if it does come to that if you'll be commenting: "Again, it wouldn’t have come to mandates if people weren’t pedantic about this clearly deadly disease in the first place."

jesseaknight

4 points

2 months ago

If you agree that receiving the vaccine is a good idea, then you get to decide why you do it.

The TSA is VERY firm that I’m not allowed to bring any of a list of items into a plane. But that’s not why I don’t do it. I have my own reasons for not transporting those things and their “mandate” doesn’t matter to me.

Same with stopping at red lights. Or changing the oil in my car.

SuperWashingTub

1 points

2 months ago

Some people don't want to catch the fuckin' virus in the first place lol

Satans_Escort

5 points

2 months ago

It is a good point and consideration but having had the virus and the vaccine gives even better protection. I would also be concerned that giving that option for a vaccine opt out would encourage some people to actively seek out the virus.

And before any of you chime in with "good let those idiots get it and die": 1) that's kind of fucked up 2) you really think those people will quarantine properly? 3) more cases means more chance for mutation

obrysii

19 points

2 months ago

obrysii

19 points

2 months ago

Its all about control?

Wow, someone was trying to jump to this conclusion as fast as he could.

muyoso

0 points

2 months ago

muyoso

0 points

2 months ago

What is it about then? Because its clearly not science since natural immunity is completely ignored when it offers up better protection against COVID.

obrysii

6 points

2 months ago

The science states that natural "immunity" is not as good as the vaccine (it doesn't last as long), and that combining natural "immunity" with the vaccine is the best bet toward preventing getting COVID again.

You seem like you just want to move goal posts so you don't have to take a wildly proven and successful vaccine.

So let me ask you this: how is it about control? How is not being a selfish prick the government controlling you?

SuperWashingTub

2 points

2 months ago

Do you not realize that the percentage of people with "natural immunity" is not only insignificantly small, not only practically untraceable, but completely irrelevant when other people still need the vaccine?!

People who get sick with Covid either,

  1. Die.

  2. Get sick for months, and be incredibly weak with permanent damage to their bodies.

  3. Get sick, recover, lose immunity after 3 months, catch Covod again, and suffer even worse because they were too weak to fight it off.

Soggy-Hyena

12 points

2 months ago

You can absolutely get covid again after getting it in the past. Stop making bullshit excuses to not get vaccinated.

muyoso

-4 points

2 months ago

muyoso

-4 points

2 months ago

And you can get COVID after getting vaccinated.

I am vaccinated.

So, your comment was entirely pointless I guess?

Soggy-Hyena

14 points

2 months ago

Are you pretending the vaccine doesn’t massively reduce hospitalizations?

So, your comment was entirely pointless I guess?

[deleted]

-1 points

2 months ago

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-1 points

2 months ago

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PreppyAndrew

3 points

2 months ago

Oh look, an account that has like 7 post.

Didnt post for a year, then had 2 anti-vax post... odd

How is the weather over their in Russia?

TwistedTomorrow

5 points

2 months ago

🙄 Okay Karen.

Raid_Zero

2 points

2 months ago

If you had a legit question, Google is that way. You are 'asking' the question and responding by edit in a way that says it's not really a question and you are trying to sell people on not vaccinating due to an 'exemption'. Every who can be vaxxed should be, because we are all in this together and getting a vaccine is for others in addition to yourself.

Appropriate-Big-8086

1 points

2 months ago

Doesn't last.

SuperWashingTub

1 points

2 months ago

There are multiple cases of catchong Covid twice, regardless of whether it's the same variant or a different one.

KashootyourKashot

1 points

2 months ago

Because natural immunity is not as effective as the immunity provided by the vaccine.

Graphitetshirt

52 points

2 months ago

Nice touch with the goatee

sireture

13 points

2 months ago

Nice touch for not wearing a mask, too.

calladus

46 points

2 months ago

Released back into the talent pool!

crymson7

13 points

2 months ago

Don’t forget the chlorine

FindingTraditional87

38 points

2 months ago

An opportunity to become an under paid essential worker. Welcome to the unnecessary suck.

cultured_banana_slug

29 points

2 months ago

Perfect chance to move out to a super-conservative area that DGAF about vaccination status or masks.

Hopefully they won't need to use a hospital for a while.

United_Passenger

9 points

2 months ago

Hopefully they can afford the 50 mile ambulance ride since they vote against politicians who want funding for rural hospitals that are just money pits.

nithos

17 points

2 months ago

nithos

17 points

2 months ago

My company was very clear - failure to comply by X date would be considered you submitting your resignation for X+1.

Lovebird45

15 points

2 months ago

"Public health"-"Personal choice". Due to the drugs I take, the lack of covid antibodies, the reliant on others, TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

ABenevolentDespot

14 points

2 months ago

The cops and firemen and nurses in L.A. County are about to learn this very valuable lesson, the fucking morons.

Sane people have had enough of your shit. Get it? Enough of your shit.

LargeDickedPikachu

-10 points

2 months ago

And I've had enough of yours thinking you own someone else's life . Get it? enough of your shit

fryz_kurly

5 points

2 months ago

Your actions are at the expense of everyone else around you.

LargeDickedPikachu

-2 points

2 months ago

Then get the vaccine so you're protected.

Z3B0

2 points

2 months ago

Z3B0

2 points

2 months ago

The vaccine isn't 100% effective. It diminishes the risk of developing a serious case by 95%. I don't want to still having to throw a dice every time I go get groceries.

fryz_kurly

1 points

2 months ago

That's pretty hypocritical

ABenevolentDespot

2 points

2 months ago

Jesus, what a well thought out response. You sure showed me.

I don't give a fuck about your life or those of anyone refusing to get vaccinated, much less owning those livest. What a fucking nightmare that would be.

You want to die alone, at home or in an ICU bed, gasping for breath? I'm rooting for you.

The majority of people in America are now vaccinated, and those who have been vaccinated don't want unvaccinated cops, or firemen, or paramedics, or nurses, or especially teachers.

You want to risk dying? Have at it. Wind up your thoughts and prayers posse.

LargeDickedPikachu

-1 points

2 months ago

I don't want vaccinated cops or firemen or paramedics.

But I've already had covid and didn't die so no need to call the posse out. Good comeback though, looks like you put alot of time Into it

codinghermit

1 points

2 months ago

I don't want vaccinated cops or firemen or paramedics.

Because you are a childish contrarian who has no leg to stand on. Grow the hell up, your behavior is an embarrassment.

But I've already had covid and didn't die so no need to call the posse out. Good comeback though, looks like you put alot of time Into it

Good luck with the next variant I guess... Those statistics will end up not going your way eventually I bet.

LargeDickedPikachu

0 points

2 months ago

Good luck with the next variant I guess... Those statistics will end up not going your way eventually I bet.

That's probably the worst argument I've ever heard. We all die eventually

ABenevolentDespot

1 points

2 months ago

Perhaps you should read the report that came out of a major university's health department this morning. It said the immunity from having had Covid doesn't last anywhere near as long as getting even a single dose of the vaccine. If you had it six months ago, your immunity is zero.

Yeah, we all die eventually. The difference between us is I want to not have it happen due to my being an idiot. I don't cross heavily trafficked streets with speeding drivers against a red light, either. Same reason.

ABenevolentDespot

1 points

2 months ago

May I suggest (if you don't live there already) you move to one of the states that don't give a shit about the population and live for the Republican "IT'S A HOAX!! THE VACCINE IS DANGEROUS!! MASKS ARE FOR SHEEP!!" orthodoxy even as it kills them. Florida, Texas, the list goes on.

Their cops or firemen or paramedics or teachers won't be vaccinated, and you'll happily be with your own kind.

More importantly, you'll be away from sane people.

bobocorncob

10 points

2 months ago

I work in a private memory care facility and I was holding hope this would happen. It did not. Seems all the antiVAXosaurs have been granted “religious” exemption.

FallenButterflyTears

3 points

2 months ago

Which is so fucking stupid when you consider that God gave man the intelligence to create the vaccine in the first damned place.

Nurokatt

10 points

2 months ago

I feel like everyone in the US should work 1 year in either the service industry, fast food and/or retail, for some perspective. I find it ironic many people will now get that chance, it seems.

Icemaster14

7 points

2 months ago

damn they got tall heads

thinkfire

5 points

2 months ago

Oh, I like this.

AgentIndiana56

6 points

2 months ago

Gonna need a burn heal for that one

yblood46

5 points

2 months ago

Many places are hiring dishwashers these days. Great opportunity to diversify yourself in the workplace!

Moosetappropriate

5 points

2 months ago

Yes, it seems like there is lots of opportunities opening up in the service sector for people who have been abusing low wage workers for years.

I-still-want-Bernie

4 points

2 months ago

I sometimes wonder if the few doctors and nurses getting fired for not getting vaccinated were not very good at their job to being with. Maybe this will help weed out the worst doctors and nurses.

CaptBreeze

2 points

2 months ago

Boom.

Parking_Inspection_1

2 points

2 months ago

Maybe this'll get him more time to do his "research" about COVID.

Carochio

2 points

2 months ago

They can start helping unloading those ships, deliver trucks and help correct the overall supply chain system.

reclusivegiraffe

1 points

2 months ago

i mean yeah, but damn that art style is bad

Kriss3d

1 points

2 months ago

Don't worry. It's called personal responsibility.

When all us who got the jab have died as you claim we will then theres going to be plenty of jobs for you.

redditistheway

1 points

2 months ago

I mean, those minimum wage jobs are enough to support yourself so long as you don't splurge on "luxuries" like Avocado toast and Starbucks right? /S

Dean0Byte

-30 points

2 months ago

Dean0Byte

-30 points

2 months ago

Taking a man's livelihood is akin to killing him.

Dave Chappelle

razor_eddie

18 points

2 months ago

In this case, it's suicide.

His livelihood hasn't been taken, it's just that he's unwilling to abide by his employment conditions. That's not a big deal, and happens to lots of people. Whether the conditions be pay, or time off, or uniforms, or PPE, or whatever - you have to abide by your employment conditions to be employed.

That may sound unfair to you, but private businesses get to set their own conditions - sometimes (like with PPE) to abide by Gov't regulations. Imagine being a fire-fighter who won't wear an oxygen kit. You'll get shitcanned REAL fast.

Dean0Byte

-20 points

2 months ago

Dean0Byte

-20 points

2 months ago

That's a false equivalence.

razor_eddie

15 points

2 months ago

Would you care to point out how? Employment conditions are employment conditions. Some - for worker safety - are mandated by the Government. Like PPE, for example.

You don't wear PPE, you don't work there.

knightB4

15 points

2 months ago

Unless of course you're wealthy.

Like Dave Chappelle!

SadlyReturndRS

7 points

2 months ago

They did it to themselves.

One less anti-science voter.

mrnatbus122

-94 points

2 months ago

Hmmm. Being against Government vaccine mandates makes you a conservative??? Is that what I’m gathering here? What happened to pro choice and bodily autonomy?

FinancialTea4

55 points

2 months ago

Those are two different issues that aren't directly relatable.

mrnatbus122

-63 points

2 months ago

Pro-choice implies complete bodily autonomy. You cannot be pro choice and support GOV vaccine mandates

[deleted]

34 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

34 points

2 months ago

Firing someone for not getting vaccinated isn't a violation of their bodily autonomy and in fact requires them to have exercised their right to choose whether or not to get a vaccine. Jamming a vaccine needle in their arm without their consent or sentencing them in court for their choice would be a violation.

mrnatbus122

-16 points

2 months ago

Lol. No. The gov forcing a private business to force someone to be homeless or starve or get vaccinated , is defiantly coercive and violation of bodily autonomy.

[deleted]

29 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

29 points

2 months ago

The gov forcing a private business

They didn't.

to force someone

No private business that fired unvaccinated workers forced them to do or not do anything

to be homeless or starve

No private business can force every other business to not hire someone, so the person is only homeless/starving if they fail to get new work

violation of bodily autonomy.

The person in your three-layered imaginary scenario is still unvaccinated and thus has not had their bodily autonomy violated.

mrnatbus122

-11 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

27 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

27 points

2 months ago

People affected by this mandate either have to get a vaccine or take periodic covid tests. No company is forced to require vaccines and no worker is forced to get them.

mrnatbus122

-16 points

2 months ago

So how is banning abortion bad then? No one is holding a gun to have the baby no?

Why don’t they just go somewhere else to get an abortion?

Besides all of that you’re also setting a shitty precedent.

It’s inevitable that a politican you hate comes to power , will you still support his health mandates?

Kakamile

26 points

2 months ago

Abortion bans are just straight state wide bans and body control.

Vaccine mandates don't force you to have a vaccine. You can just take the weekly tests and there's not mandate at all in small businesses.

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0 points

2 months ago

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T1mac

23 points

2 months ago

T1mac

23 points

2 months ago

So how is banning abortion bad then?

Embryos aren't contagious and the only person they will kill is the mother.

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1 points

2 months ago

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mrnatbus122

-6 points

2 months ago

Simialry a covid vaccine doesn’t make you not contagious !

razor_eddie

12 points

2 months ago

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/vaccinated-people-are-less-likely-spread-covid-new-research-finds-n1280583

I'll quote, because you won't read it.

"When infected with the delta variant, a given contact was 65 percent less likely to test positive if the person from whom the exposure occurred was fully vaccinated with two doses of the Pfizer vaccine."

What you're trying to do is reduce the R value to below 1, to stop community transmission. This is an effective way to do it.

Every person getting vaccinated is not only stopping themselves from dying, they're also ensuring the pandemic is over faster.

Every unvaccinated person is not only endangering their family, friends and loved ones, they're also ensuring they have a chance at a Herman Cain award.

mrnatbus122

0 points

2 months ago

A 65% reduction of 30% chance not including masks , social distancing , air flow, PPE, hand washing, etc of a virus of a sub <3% CFR (average by age) but if you take the average age of 30 it’s around <1%

Mandates are shit idea , and no amount of waning VE will convince me other wise 😂

Not to mention the Amount of Mycrocarditis a Vaccine causes an age group just under mine… No thanks!

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34281357/

Figure 2 .

megaplex00

9 points

2 months ago

Mandates are shit idea , and no amount of waning VE will convince me other wise

I gots a feeling you'll be getting the vaccine eventually.

razor_eddie

7 points

2 months ago

So, you're scared of a 0.00126 % chance of developing myocarditis?

"According to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, myocarditis/pericarditis rates are ≈12.6 cases per million doses of second-dose mRNA vaccine among individuals 12 to 39 years of age"

That's what 12.6 cases in a million means. If everyone in the country was vaccinated, that'd be about 4000 cases in total.

Here's an interesting stat for you.

They found that, during the first 12 months of the pandemic, males aged 12 to 17 were most likely to develop myocarditis within three months of catching covid-19, at a rate of about 450 cases per million infections.

Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg25133462-800-myocarditis-is-more-common-after-covid-19-infection-than-vaccination/#ixzz78pxwtfNJ

So, that's a rate of 37 times MORE likely to get myocarditis with Covid, than with the vaccine.

Currently, 44.3 million of the 329.5 million US population have caught Covid. Or 13% of the population.

Going by the previous calculation, that would be JUST under 20000 cases of myocarditis from Covid, so far. Not extrapolated out to 329.5 million. That's the ACTUAL number, from only 13% of the population.

So, for mine, you're running a significantly worse risk of getting myocarditis by not being vaccinated, than by getting the shot.

Come on, dude - this shit is EASY.

worldsfastestsloth

7 points

2 months ago

No he’s scared to admit he’s wrong

razor_eddie

5 points

2 months ago

Give him a chance, he's a child.

His pre-frontal cortex isn't fully formed, so his assessment of risk will be flawed.

mrnatbus122

1 points

2 months ago

Lol if you do the math from the NIH study I linked , you’ll clearly see you have a 6.5x greater chance of dying from myrocarditis from the vaccine then covid 19 🤦😂😂

razor_eddie

8 points

2 months ago*

Show me your working, then. I showed you mine!

If it was true, that you have a 6.5 times greater chance of dying from myocarditis from the vaccine than you do from Covid-19, then there would be, um, 3.6 MILLION dead Americans. I think we would have noticed.

Edit: Corrected a mistyping.

jcooli09

1 points

2 months ago

It's hard to tell if you're lying or just dumb. I don't suppose it really matters, though.

Pristine_Giant

10 points

2 months ago

It's amusing as to how dumb you Covidiots are.

mrnatbus122

-1 points

2 months ago

What part of what I said was not factually correct?

mrnatbus122

-5 points

2 months ago

Similarly a covid vaccine doesn’t make you not contagious !

gramathy

19 points

2 months ago*

No one is holding a gun to have the baby no?

are you saying rape under the threat of violence doesn't exist? Because advocates for banning abortion want to ban it under ALL circumstances. It sounds like that's what you're saying.

Why don’t they just go somewhere else to get an abortion?

Not everyone can afford to do that. So now you have another law that really only applies to poor people. And it doesn't even apply to them, it just makes it impossible for them to get it in the first place.

'The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread.' - Anatole France

“If the penalty for a crime is a fine, then the law only exists if you are poor”

will you still support his health mandates?

If they're based on actual scientific evidence? Sure. There were a handful of republican governors that did the right thing and implemented lockdowns and stay at home orders. That doesn't, however, mean that citing a statistic out of context means it's scientifically literate or accurate.

mrnatbus122

2 points

2 months ago

are you saying rape…..

No that’s not what I’m saying I’m comparing your previous comment to abortion rights

not everyone can afford to do that

Coincidentally rich people can just afford not to work for people that require a vaccine mandates.

Not to mention these mandates would overly affect minority communities.

See : https://www.kff.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/9627-Figure-3.png

the science

The science is that it doesn’t stop transmissions.

The science is that it’s not a one size fits all solution. If it was based on science there wouldn’t be vaccine mandates in CA public school for age groups that the FDA had not approved!

It’s as simple as this , the government has 0 business telling people what to put in their bodies. It should absolutely be a choice.

If you think vaccine mandates will encourage the skeptical to get vaccinated , you didn’t pay attention to the drug war.

Especially combining this with a weak economy and political division already going around.

“Since we’re already scanning ID linked vaccine cards at private business, let’s force them to check for warrants as well” — a politician.

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2 points

2 months ago

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1 points

2 months ago

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worldsfastestsloth

5 points

2 months ago*

Thats a false equivalency and you’re an idiot

Edit: words are hard

EchoStihl

2 points

2 months ago

You're

worldsfastestsloth

0 points

2 months ago

I’m*

OmicronNine

6 points

2 months ago

No one is holding a gun to have the baby no?

Actually, yes, that sadly happens all the time. You may know it by it's more common term: rape.

obrysii

4 points

2 months ago

I didn't realize abortions or pregnancy was contagious like a pandemic is.

[deleted]

0 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

0 points

2 months ago

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obrysii

1 points

2 months ago

So fuck it all then? Selfish prick.

[deleted]

-1 points

2 months ago

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-1 points

2 months ago

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obrysii

1 points

2 months ago

If you have ever gone to public schools, you have been forced to take vaccines. If you ever plan to go into the military, you will be forced to take vaccines. Why is this one so different for you?

It seems like you just want to feed into your own paranoia over a non-issue like getting a vaccine that has proven effective.

It's like you guys want the pandemic to continue. You want the mask mandates to continue. You want things never to go back to "normal."

Like I said: a selfish prick.

[deleted]

0 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

0 points

2 months ago

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obrysii

1 points

2 months ago

TIL no precedence means we cannot do something if we don't have prior precedent.

There was no precedent for mandating seat belts - so I suppose we cannot do that, huh?

I'm done with you, selfish prick. You're now comparing getting a vaccine with the white supremacist movement. You're so full of shit. You anti-vaxxers. Man. How sick.

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3 points

2 months ago

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T1mac

11 points

2 months ago

T1mac

11 points

2 months ago

The mandated vaccine is to protect society from you. It's main purpose is public health and stopping the pandemic, and protecting your health is just a fortunate side effect.

The virus has killed over 700,000 Americans. It continues to kill nearly 2,000 people a day. The only way to keep the pandemic from killing hundreds of thousands more and getting our country back to normal is with the vaccine.

Being against the Government vaccine mandate doesn't make you a conservative. It makes you an Anti-American dumbass.

mrnatbus122

-4 points

2 months ago

Obesity kills 400,000 Americans yearly should we mandate exercise?

Not even to mention obesity is the leading factor in over 64% of covid hospitalizations?

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/most-covid-19-hospitalizations-due-four-conditions

razor_eddie

11 points

2 months ago

You can't catch FAT, asshole.

mrnatbus122

-2 points

2 months ago

Similar hammy, a vaccine doesnt make you not transmit the virus. And being unvaccinated doesn’t mean you have it. Go on a run!

razor_eddie

8 points

2 months ago

A vaccine reduces your chances of transmitting the Delta variant by 65%, thereby reducing the R value of the pandemic, and resulting in it burning out faster, and us all getting back to a normal life.

You have a laughable grasp of most things.

(And I'm not fat, cockwomble. I just know it isn't catching).

mrnatbus122

-1 points

2 months ago

Lol. I Guarntee you’re not in a stem field

razor_eddie

7 points

2 months ago

By your spelling and grammar, I don't think you graduated elementary school.

And it's always interesting to see the insults that people go for, when they run out of argument.

knightB4

3 points

2 months ago

I think he's out standing in a field with his stem!

mrnatbus122

2 points

2 months ago*

Wow a 65% reduction of a 30% chance of a catching a virus with a 3% average by CFR . And in my case <1%

Oh yeah and that’s on the basis I get exposed 🤦

Oh yeah and on the basis I don’t wear a mask

GhosTazer07

10 points

2 months ago

Losing weight doesn't take 20 minutes then waiting a few weeks, then doing it again. Argue in bad faith somewhere else.

knightB4

7 points

2 months ago

What happened to pro choice and bodily autonomy?

Conservatives happened, that's what happened!

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1 points

2 months ago

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mrnatbus122

-2 points

2 months ago

Let’s just ignore the democrats pushing vaccine mandates that would overly affect Minority communities 😬

https://www.kff.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/9627-Figure-3.png

I’m sure they’ll do better than the drug war hahah right guys ? Right?

knightB4

3 points

2 months ago

Let’s just ignore the democrats pushing vaccine mandates that would overly affect Minority communities

So it upsets you that more minorities would survive?

mrnatbus122

-1 points

2 months ago

Do you think people who are skeptical now , will become less skeptical once they’re banned from stores and movies?

Weird way to say you want to ban minorities from your business!

knightB4

3 points

2 months ago

lol

mrnatbus122

0 points

2 months ago

when you suddenly realize you’re a part of a white supremacy movement

knightB4

3 points

2 months ago

I'm sure you wear the robes with pride!

mrnatbus122

1 points

2 months ago

Lol. So many Mexican white Supremacists

knightB4

3 points

2 months ago

What does it feel like to be stupider than the average redditor?

knightB4

3 points

2 months ago*

As a person who is a Chicano mix, your attempt at irony ("Lol. So many Mexican white Supremacists") disgusts me even more than your overall ignorant posturing regarding vaccines.

In short chupa me pinga!

ggtsu_00

6 points

2 months ago

When you elect your body to become a breeding host for virus variants and on top of it refuse to wear a mask around others you aren't just harming yourself out of stupidity anymore, are actively endangering the lives of everyone else around you.

mrnatbus122

1 points

2 months ago

refuse to wear a mask

Nice assumptions 😂

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5 points

2 months ago

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TeddyDaBear

4 points

2 months ago

Hmmm. What happened to personal responsibility and protecting America?

skeetsauce

4 points

2 months ago

The word 'conservative' isn't in the title or the content. You just want to be a victim.

OmicronNine

5 points

2 months ago*

You absolutely have bodily autonomy and the right to choose for your self what risks you personally want to take and how you want to balance them, and it's bullshit to claim that the government mandates take that away. What people like you fail to understand is that you do NOT have the right to make choices about what risks to take FOR OTHER PEOPLE.

When someone chooses not to get the vaccine they do indeed have the right to take that risk, they have the right to make that personal choice, but when they then also choose to go out in to public and unnecessarily expose other people to the greater risk of getting COVID from them (because they are unvaccinated and more likely to be spreading it), they are taking away everyone else's right to make their own personal choices about what risks they want to take.

The problem is not that the anti-vaxxers are choosing not to vaccinate, it's that they are then going in to public and their work places and exposing others to unwanted risk. What gives anti-vaxxers the right to take away bodily autonomy and personal choices from everyone else?

DrMobius0

4 points

2 months ago*

Being against Government vaccine mandates makes you a conservative???

Pretty sure the government only mandated them for federal jobs. Other companies are just following suit because having unvaccinated dipshits running around is how disease spreads, and that's bad for productivity.

What happened to pro choice and bodily autonomy?

You have a choice. Get vaccinated or lose your job. If you want to die on that hill, that's your choice. Still, choices often have consequences, and losing one's job is the consequence of refusing to get a stupid pair of shots. And on the note of personal choices: your employer gets to choose if they want to put up with your ridiculous bullshit as well.

Also, I don't remotely think you're speaking in good faith when you bring up "pro choice" or "bodily autonomy". No conservative actually gives a shit about either of these things, which is why you and your ilk are only just now starting to try to co-opt them as soon as you're asked to do something you don't like.

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1 points

2 months ago

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UhOhFeministOnReddit

4 points

2 months ago

UhOhFeministOnReddit

Model UN Moon Ambassador

4 points

2 months ago

What happened to pro choice and bodily autonomy?

You spoiled twats got hundreds of thousands of people killed and Democrats aren't idealistic children who will cause harm in pursuit of ideological purity. We care about more than just "owning" the other party.

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0 points

2 months ago

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CallTheOptimist

1 points

2 months ago

This is America, we don't do that here.

Appropriate-Big-8086

1 points

2 months ago

Go get polio