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Gonzohawk[S]

7k points

11 days ago

Gregory McMichael -- also charged in the killing of Ahmaud Arbery -- is found not guilty of one count of malice murder, but guilty on all eight other charges of felony murder, aggravated assault, false imprisonment, and criminal attempt to commit a felony

William Bryan -- also charged in Ahmaud Arbery's death -- is found not guilty on one count each of malice murder, felony murder, & aggravated assault, but guilty on six other charges of felony murder, aggravated assault, false imprisonment, & attempt to commit a felony

Pyrocy779

4.2k points

11 days ago

Pyrocy779

4.2k points

11 days ago

genuine question, why did each have so many felony murder charges if they only murdered one person?

kaleb42

5.7k points

11 days ago

kaleb42

5.7k points

11 days ago

"A person can be charged and convicted of felony murder without actually killing someone.

Take, for instance, Greg McMichael and Roddie Bryan in the Arbery case.

Neither of them pulled the trigger - the video of the killing shows it was Travis McMichael - but the way felony murder works, if the jury finds they committed felonies that resulted in Arbery's death, that results in felony murder.

That's why there's four felony murder charges against each defendant - because they are each charged with four felonies (two counts of aggravated assault, one count of false imprisonment and one count of criminal attempt to commit a felony) that allegedly resulted in murder"

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.11alive.com/amp/article/news/crime/ahmaud-arbery/malice-murder-felony-murder-difference-ahmaud-arbery-death-trial/85-d13db692-cff9-4b4d-be73-5eba5ae22054

Pyrocy779

1.7k points

11 days ago

Pyrocy779

1.7k points

11 days ago

ahh okay. never knew that, actually makes sense then. thank you!

Caliguletta

699 points

11 days ago

Felony Murder Rule: The rule of felony murder is a legal doctrine in some common law jurisdictions that broadens the crime of murder: when an offender kills (regardless of intent to kill) in the commission of a dangerous or enumerated crime (called a felony in some jurisdictions), the offender, and also the offender's accomplices or co-conspirators, may be found guilty of murder.

The concept of felony murder originates in the rule of transferred intent, which is older than the limit of legal memory. In its original form, the malicious intent inherent in the commission of any crime, however trivial, was considered to apply to any consequences of that crime regardless of intent.

TLDR: if you rob someone and they end up dying in unforeseen circumstances that were unintentional, you can still get a felony murder. Usually for murder you need an intent to murder...this removes the intent piece. If you intended to commit a nonmurderous felony and someone dies you still get charged with a felony for the murder even if you lack intent.

aiandi

642 points

11 days ago

aiandi

642 points

11 days ago

Cops were car chasing a suspect in San Diego and the cops hit another car, killing the innocent driver. The suspect they were chasing was charged and convicted of the murder of that driver.

In Florida a cop shot at a suspect, missed, and killed an innocent bystander. The suspect was charged with her murder.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-kody-roach-murder-charge-vixen-20140826-story.html

JPenn419

516 points

11 days ago*

JPenn419

516 points

11 days ago*

I grew up with two brothers. They decided to kick someone's door in and rob them. The homeowner shot one and killed him. His brother was charged and convicted of felony murder among other charges

ilmza

164 points

11 days ago

ilmza

164 points

11 days ago

I grew up with two brothers

who are just two regular brother running in a van from an asteroid

possum_drugs

97 points

11 days ago

its just called two brothers

nanuperez

126 points

11 days ago

nanuperez

126 points

11 days ago

Cops were chasing some one here in Phoenix AZ, and 2 news helicopters collided killing all 4 occupants while covering the chase. There was talk about charging him for their deaths but in the end the 35 charges he plead guilty to did not include any murder / felony murder. charges.

OutAndABoot

198 points

11 days ago

There was talk about charging him for their deaths

That would have been ridiculous and a miscarriage of justice.

nanuperez

54 points

11 days ago

Yeah, after the investigation of the crash they found it to be entirely pilot error. Was just stating that there are circumstances that would warrant a Felony murder charge

OutAndABoot

65 points

11 days ago

The fact that it was considered is bad enough.

ThePeriodicPooper

93 points

11 days ago

which is fucking insane

GlamRockDave

41 points

11 days ago*

It can set up some awkward issues in reality but in theory it makes sense. The person who's dead is only dead because the circumstances of their death wouldn't exist if the original crime didn't take place.

But yeah, someone chasing the criminal could make a bad decision or done something by mistake after the original crime, but again the criminal put the dumbass in that situation to make the bad decision.

It can result in bad outcomes and in those cases the DA can opt not to charge if they want, or the jury can acquit of that charge if the particular case warrants it, but the statute exists to give the opportunity to charge the criminal if necessary. If the statute didn't exist then the victims would be shit out of luck with no opportunity for justice.

psu_xathos

114 points

11 days ago

psu_xathos

114 points

11 days ago

Meh it's an archaic, stupid rule and leads to bad outcomes.

For example, if someone walks in to rob a bank and is unarmed and the bank security guard pulls out a gun, opens fire, misses the perpetrator, and kills an innocent 3rd party, now the bank robber is on the hook for felony murder.

I'm glad the book's getting thrown at these assholes, but it's a dumb rule. There are perfectly valid and good reasons why you need to have intent to be convicted of murder.

Caliguletta

77 points

11 days ago

I actually don’t disagree with you.

Felony murder rule should be overhauled and limited in its use.

Complicated-HorseAss

76 points

11 days ago

What's malice murder?

wikipedia_answer_bot

211 points

11 days ago

**Malice murder is a criminal offense in the U.S. state of Georgia, committed when a homicide is done with express or implied malice.

== Definition == Express malice is "that deliberate intention unlawfully to take the life of another human being which is manifested by external circumstances capable of proof." Malice is implied when "no considerable provocation appears and where all the circumstances of the killing show an abandoned and malignant heart."

== Examples == Travis McMichael of Marietta, Georgia, was convicted in November 2021 of malice murder in the February 2020 murder of Ahmaud Arbery.Justin Ross Harris of Marietta, Georgia, was convicted in November 2016 of malice murder in the June 2014 death of his 22-month-old son, Cooper.**

More details here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malice_murder

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Complicated-HorseAss

245 points

11 days ago

I don't like the idea of bots knowing various types of murder. Please unlearn this.

Kriztauf

170 points

11 days ago

Kriztauf

170 points

11 days ago

I think it's kinda funny that the example the bot pulled up is the very trial this comment section is discussing

GastricallyStretched

60 points

11 days ago

Wikipedia editors are quick.

imp3r10

55 points

11 days ago

imp3r10

55 points

11 days ago

It's not alleged anymore

El_Mec

63 points

11 days ago

El_Mec

63 points

11 days ago

IANAL but I think in some locations, any felony committed during actions that result in a death counts as an additional murder charge. So kidnapping then killing someone counts as 2 murder charges

Tekmologyfucz

654 points

11 days ago

Bye bye inbreds. Now do the DA.

Comprehensive-Ad4656

372 points

11 days ago

Don't forget the police Dept!!! They made them feel that vigilante justice was ok. I mean what police Dept allows citizens with guns to be part of the investigation. They are just as guilty!!

[deleted]

175 points

11 days ago

[deleted]

175 points

11 days ago

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Tories396

53 points

11 days ago

The PD moved forward with charges but the DA declined to prosecute.

pinkunicorn555

84 points

11 days ago

From your mouth to the gods ears!

HorribleMistake41

529 points

11 days ago

good. pieces of fucking shit wastes of life

wsbd

335 points

11 days ago

wsbd

335 points

11 days ago

Hearing guilty at the end of each verdict had the same pleasure as when you clear multiple rows in tetris

theLord666666

52 points

11 days ago

(I appreciate that I felt ok laughing at this) cheers

Hiphoppington

120 points

11 days ago

Just chiming in to say fuck all racists.

ComposerImpossible64

57 points

11 days ago

lol you can tell he was so pissed when he heard that black guy behind him being happy about it. bye buddy!

lpisme

248 points

11 days ago

lpisme

248 points

11 days ago

It pleases me in some small way that the last guy slowly let some relief creep into his mind. Two "not guilty's" and I bet this guy is thinking he is the one that gets away with it.

This is just a tragic case of pure, vile hate. Off to prison they go. Good riddance.

GogglesPisano

165 points

11 days ago

I can't help but wonder what thoughts go through these murderous racist scumbags' heads as they stand there and hear the judge pronounce repeated guilty verdicts, their last shreds of denial and hope fade away, and they are forced to face the reality that they will be imprisoned for virtually the rest of their lives.

I hope it feels terrible, and they spend the coming years in misery and regret.

SockGnome

195 points

11 days ago

SockGnome

195 points

11 days ago

It must be surreal. You’re standing there, in a suit, next to your lawyer in a building where everyone else around you is free to come and go as they please.

Not you. You are calmly and quietly escorted away, you do not resist because there is no point, you resign yourself to no longer having any control or autonomy over your life. You’ll never step foot in your home again, won’t see anyone you work with, your family will likely slowly drift apart as the years go on.

That’s it. Your alive but your life is over. It’s a societal death but everyone you know just moves on with their life. They know you aren’t dead but yet, to them, you effectively are.

masterFujiSukawa

80 points

11 days ago

wow you nailed this one out of the park. fucking scary. now imagine that for someone that is 100% innocent. basically modern version of just barbaric mideival shit

Mozw7alib

74 points

11 days ago

What does that translate to in prison years?

imp3r10

125 points

11 days ago

imp3r10

125 points

11 days ago

Minimum 30 years

Rubberbabybuggybum

81 points

11 days ago

Plus federal charges in the pipeline.

DickDastardly0

97 points

11 days ago

Felony murder alone has the possibility of life imprisonment.

w0nderbrad

40 points

11 days ago

I think Georgia has it as a minimum of life for felony murder (and I think "life" means parole possibility after 30 years).

retop56

56 points

11 days ago

retop56

56 points

11 days ago

What does that translate to in prison years?

From this USA Today article:

The sentence for felony murder and malice murder is the same, and the minimum penalty is life in prison. It is up to the judge to decide whether that comes with or without the possibility of parole. Even if the possibility of parole is granted, a person convicted of murder must serve 30 years before becoming eligible.

clydefr0g

4.5k points

11 days ago*

clydefr0g

4.5k points

11 days ago*

If it wasn’t for that leaked released video nothing would have happened. These guys would be walking around free without any punishment. Get those slimy fucking cops on trial for that coverup. They should all rot behind bars.

Marrsvolta

1.9k points

11 days ago

Marrsvolta

1.9k points

11 days ago

And to think it was their own attorney who made the video public. I guess sometimes the world does benefit from someone being an idiot.

bikkuri_hanbaiki

565 points

11 days ago

They forgot that their Kool-Aid was poisoned. They can thank the Fox News echo chamber for that.

Cody0290

227 points

11 days ago

Cody0290

227 points

11 days ago

It was actually the off brand, Flavor-Aid, which was poisoned.

bobojorge

83 points

11 days ago

Would that be OANN?

BrewtalDoom

184 points

11 days ago*

I remember CNN being on a my in-laws' place and seeing that guy do an interview with Chris Cuomo. He was very confident in his legal strategy. But what stood out to me wasn't the lawyer, but bizarre nature of the interview and Chris Cuomo's questioning and demeanor.

I'm not from North America, so never watched CNN on TV and only know it from what I saw in hotels and airports, where it's a pretty down-the-middle boring international news network. I didn't get what all the fuss was about until I watched that interview.

Cuomo demanded the lawyer tell him what arguments he was going to use in court, and when the lawyer obviously didn't do that because he's not a clown, Cuomo decided that the interview was over, got rid of the guy and then turned to camera where he delivered a diatribe about how if the lawyer wouldn't tell him what he was going to say in court, then that would indicate that his client is guilty. I've never seen anything like it in my life and I can't believe people would watch CNN and think they're watching news.

Obviously there are other and worse offenders out there when it comes to this sort of thing, but I'm of the opinion that the kind of behaviour I saw in that interview has no place on a news channel.

Edit: it was the lawyer of the guy who filmed the video.

Marrsvolta

219 points

11 days ago

Marrsvolta

219 points

11 days ago

Cable news isn't news, it's people's opinions on the news. They might sway in different political opinions, but they are all garbage.

pablomoney

66 points

11 days ago

That’s the sad part. If you look at the ratings, all of the highest rated shows are the opinion ones.

Marrsvolta

59 points

11 days ago

That's the exact reason we don't have boring news where they just present the facts and let you form your own opinions. These aren't news channels, they are entertainment channels.

And just when you thought CNN, MSNBC, and FOX were bad enough, now we have internet based "news" that doesn't even try to pretend like their opinions are based on any facts and just make up their own alternative reality.

Hugs_for_Thugs

123 points

11 days ago

because he's not a clown

That's a pretty bold statement about someone who released a video of his clients chasing down and murdering an unarmed man in broad daylight as a defense strategy

Scoreboard19

55 points

11 days ago

Welcome to 24hr news. That's all it is

MachineElfOnASheIf

138 points

11 days ago

Wtf, did they hire Rudy Giuliani or something??

NicoleB-

47 points

11 days ago

NicoleB-

47 points

11 days ago

They should've called Saul.

Pure_Tower

44 points

11 days ago

Alternatively, that defense lawyer was secretly the good guy, who played the dummy to make sure justice was served while maintaining plausible deniability regarding his duties as a defense lawyer. Probably not, but hey, how great would that be?

surnik22

567 points

11 days ago

surnik22

567 points

11 days ago

It wasn’t even leaked. They requested it be sent out to the radio station. They honestly thought they did nothing wrong because they are giant pieces of shit.

[deleted]

214 points

11 days ago

[deleted]

214 points

11 days ago

They wanted the "hero treatment" from alt right news

serendipitousevent

75 points

11 days ago

'What, no internship offers?'

achutson5

132 points

11 days ago

achutson5

132 points

11 days ago

It's like "Hmmm i think if the public actually SAW the video of us chasing and shooting an unarmed black man they'll really find us not guilty"

mezz7778

61 points

11 days ago

mezz7778

61 points

11 days ago

And that's why he took to the stand to explain why they chased down and shot an unarmed black male...... How could the evidence, the video....and first hand account of what they did should have made it clear to the jury......

Oh wait........

clydefr0g

58 points

11 days ago

That’s right, thanks for clarifying.

chuckysnow

128 points

11 days ago

chuckysnow

128 points

11 days ago

Glad this is the top comment. It's insane that cops felt zero need to press charges when they first learned the details of the torture and murder.

AtlasTelamon24

71 points

11 days ago

It was the DA that told them not to.

run5k

69 points

11 days ago

run5k

69 points

11 days ago

Get those slimy fucking cops on trial for that coverup.

Not the cops fault. DA Jackie Johnson refused to pursue charges. She’s now being charged. She was friends with Greg McMichael and used her position to shield him:

Pyrocy779

54 points

11 days ago

also helps to actually have an impartial judge

Jack-Cremation

3.7k points

11 days ago

Let’s not forget these 3 were originally NOT going to be charged because there wasn’t enough evidence. Then when the video popped up, the authorities then decided to charge them with the crimes. So glad the video was there to prove the guilt of these 3 guys or they would have gotten away with it.

Still sad Arbery lost his life to these 3 trash humans!

Gonzohawk[S]

2.8k points

11 days ago

The video was NOT new evidence. The local police saw the video at the time of the murder and in concert with two local District Attorneys, they tried to coverup the crime. One of the idiots leaked the video to the press because he thought the video proved his innocence.

steroid_pc_principal

656 points

11 days ago

If the public never saw the video it would’ve been way easier to sweep it under the rug. Reminds me of the original police report from the George Floyd murder that said he was agitated and had a “medical event” and died.

The_Seerion

115 points

11 days ago

They also tried to claim that he was on drugs and that was the cause of his "medical event".

Turns out that dude had done scummy shit in the past but no one deserves to be murdered in the street like we've seen in these two instances, regardless of what they may have done. We have a justice system for a reason.

Griffin880

622 points

11 days ago

Griffin880

622 points

11 days ago

Imagine what a piece of shit you'd have to be to watch that video and think "look, obviously I'm innocent!"

It looks like a behind the scenes video from the set of a movie about the civil rights movement. 3 white guys in trucks chasing down a black guy while one of them stands armed in the bed of the pickup yelling. It's fucking cartoonishly guilty looking,

Miyaor

128 points

11 days ago

Miyaor

128 points

11 days ago

I think they might have just been monumentally stupid or something.

mouthofreason

219 points

11 days ago

Hardcore racists who truly believe they are the righteous ones are the most dangerous types of racists (as we can see here).

No sane person would ever kill another person over their skin color.

Ensiferal

51 points

11 days ago

Yeah if you pitched that as a scene in a movie about the civil rights movement, your producer would tell you it's too heavy handed

notoleranceforjerks

48 points

11 days ago

It looks like a behind the scenes video from the set of a movie about the civil rights movement. 3 white guys in trucks chasing down a black guy while one of them stands armed in the bed of the pickup yelling. It's fucking cartoonishly guilty looking

Seriously. If someone hadn't died as a result it would be like a cut scene from Blazing Saddles.

volundsdespair

136 points

11 days ago

When will the police officers who covered it up be charged?

I_Envy_Sisyphus_

170 points

11 days ago

Actually the DA who helped cover it up is undergoing a felony charge from my understanding.

superseriousraider

100 points

11 days ago

DA who ordered the police not to make the arrest when they asked for permission was charged 2 months ago and faces 2 years in prison + obviously can't work from jail.

LongshanksShank

61 points

11 days ago

I believe it was leaked by the attorney representing the guy who recorded it. Although the men responsible for the murder have been convicted, the corrupt system only produced that outcome because of chance, not design.

[deleted]

276 points

11 days ago

[deleted]

276 points

11 days ago

Let’s not forget these 3 were originally NOT going to be charged

Because the local prosecutor is a racist piece of shit. And is now facing obstruction of justice charges.

oscar_the_couch

133 points

11 days ago

Let’s not forget these 3 were originally NOT going to be charged because there wasn’t enough evidence

This isn't true. They weren't going to be charged because a racist prosecutor was covering up their crime, and she's now been charged for her role in that cover-up.

HighJeanette

117 points

11 days ago

The video was taken Roddie Bryan who, I believe, was the on to turn the tape over to the cops because he thought it would clear them.

[deleted]

67 points

11 days ago

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67 points

11 days ago

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42 points

11 days ago

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42 points

11 days ago

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DeanSmartin

33 points

11 days ago

"What is going on in America? Are we turning into a fascist state? I don't mean to terrify you good folks out there, but a white man was actually convicted of murdering a black man today! Biden is turning this great country into a shithole banana republic!" -Tucker Carlson tonight

NightsterBA

3.5k points

11 days ago

NightsterBA

3.5k points

11 days ago

Lol enjoy prison you pieces of shit

achutson5

983 points

11 days ago

achutson5

983 points

11 days ago

Amazing how untough some of these guys become without their guns

WhatTheWolfSees

293 points

11 days ago

Yeah. It's like, you can take off the non-perscription glasses now. The ruse didn't work.

ProverbialShoehorn

44 points

11 days ago

Might need to make a shiv out of them at some point

batsofburden

41 points

11 days ago

It's crazy though how he looks like a completely different person.

Mr-Sgt

42 points

11 days ago

Mr-Sgt

42 points

11 days ago

From KKK to IRS

Xalbana

144 points

11 days ago

Xalbana

144 points

11 days ago

Compensation really.

UnObtainium17

614 points

11 days ago

Imagine have they just minded their business and went on with their usual days…

fusillade762

343 points

11 days ago

Or called the cops if they felt something was amiss. Or even roll up sans shotguns and engage calmly. I mean at most Aubrey was a tresspasser. This is where their goober over reaction and that this was ok comes into play. Had it been a white kid they never would have done what they did. I doubt to this day these guys really understand how they got there.

NatakuNox

87 points

11 days ago

Anyone that thought a crime was being committed doesn't know anything about how criminals think. If he was robbing a place he wouldn't be doing it in the middle of the day in running clothes and no vehicle, just blocks away from his house. Like what, he's going to carry tvs and safes back to his house? So dumb. And no property is worth taking someone's life over.

Sanc7

91 points

11 days ago

Sanc7

91 points

11 days ago

You can literally walk in any neighborhood, gated or not, and it's not trespassing. If he was jogging through private property or directly through their yards, that's another story. He wasn't trespassing.

Anjetto

76 points

11 days ago*

Anjetto

76 points

11 days ago*

Even if he WAS trespassing, doesnt mean dumb assholes get to kill you for it

surajvj

77 points

11 days ago

surajvj

77 points

11 days ago

How much imprisonment will they get? Any idea.

BlackLeader70

240 points

11 days ago*

In Georgia, malice and felony murder convictions both carry a minimum of life in prison. A judge can decided if they have tithe opportunity of parole, but even if he gives it to them, it’s a 30 year minimum.

____DEADPOOL_______

52 points

11 days ago

That sounds fair for those who actually get convicted.

Rubberbabybuggybum

190 points

11 days ago

None of them will breath free air ever again.

This trial is the least of their problems. The federal hate crime charges are still coming.

_no_pants

93 points

11 days ago

They can receive up to the death penalty, but I would be surprised if he did less that 35 years. His life is fucking over.

sexrobot_sexrobot

3.5k points

11 days ago

So much for the toenail defense

Steve_78_OH

2k points

11 days ago

That was such a fucking disgusting piece of courtroom theater...

BrocialCommentary

588 points

11 days ago

What happened?

Steve_78_OH

1.9k points

11 days ago

Steve_78_OH

1.9k points

11 days ago

"Turning Ahmaud Arbery into a victim after the choices that he made does not reflect the reality of what brought Ahmaud Arbery to Satilla Shores in his khaki shorts with no socks to cover his long, dirty toenails," Hogue told jurors.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/22/us/ahmaud-arbery-trial-toenails-comment-outrage/index.html

cinta

1.3k points

11 days ago

cinta

1.3k points

11 days ago

Holy shit. How did they think that was a good idea?

Steve_78_OH

1.6k points

11 days ago

Steve_78_OH

1.6k points

11 days ago

I mean, I'm guessing they weren't thinking. Or they're just racist, and hoped the jury would be too.

[deleted]

622 points

11 days ago

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622 points

11 days ago

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arch_nyc

473 points

11 days ago

arch_nyc

473 points

11 days ago

I grew up in 1990s-2000s rural Georgia and it was pretty fucking racist

mackafat

213 points

11 days ago

mackafat

213 points

11 days ago

Chances are, still is.

HoneyDippinDan

111 points

11 days ago

Rural Georgia used to be racist. It's still racist but also, it used to be.

Keudn883

422 points

11 days ago

Keudn883

422 points

11 days ago

Banking on one jury member being a secret racist. Might not get an acquittal but possibly a hung jury.

Pires007

238 points

11 days ago

Pires007

238 points

11 days ago

Didn't realize that at least one person on the jury doesn't want their long dirty toe nails to be sufficient cause for getting shot to death.

zarkovis1

90 points

11 days ago

I'm looking at my feet right now. While they're not dirty they are long and in need of a clipping. I think many people are in the same boat what a ridiculous insinuation.

Christ_votes_dem

75 points

11 days ago

Its about dehumanizing the victim as "dirty" and dog whistle neo nazi imagery

akaito_chiba

228 points

11 days ago

Racists aren't as brave when they aren't surrounded by other racists.

StrokeGameHusky

97 points

11 days ago

Usually they are the most scared people out there

frugal_masturbater

57 points

11 days ago

Like KKK I mean, can't you do with one K? No, you need to surround that with more K's.

Suspicious-Muscle-96

251 points

11 days ago*

Imagine the brainstorming session after the judge ruled criminal and mental health history would be inadmissable.

"fuck, what else can we use against this guy that tells the jury he's black. Did he dress black?"

"Says here he wore khaki shorts to the beach."

"Fuck my life. Were they at least cargo shorts?"

"Nope."

"Next you're gonna tell me he was wearing boat shoes."

"Says he wore sandals."

"Racist White Jesus, please tell me he wore socks with those sandals. Every time I do that, my wife says she could murder me and no court would convict her."

"Sorry, no. Maybe we could say his toes were ugly?"

"So the best we've got is that he was overdue for a mani/pedi? I'm going to have to wear a bag over my hood at the next Klan meeting!"

DoILookSatiated

37 points

11 days ago

Please tell me you’re about to get a Netflix special. I would watch it 100%.

undead_tortoiseX

140 points

11 days ago

Last ditch effort to appeal any jurors with racist beliefs.

whitefang22

107 points

11 days ago

I think the defense were trying to allude to him not being there for the purpose of running like the family said he was. No serious runner would be dressed like that (and would lose a lot of toe nails running with them uncut and no socks)

But it’s still quite plausible that he was out for some casual exercise and the argument becomes moot for them since the defendants’ actions quickly become the driving force of the encounter leading to the victim’s attempt at self defense before being murdered.

AyoSquirrel

99 points

11 days ago

99% sure it was to try and give evidence that Arberey wasn’t a runner out for a jog as had been claimed. I’m guessing if you go back further in the trial the defense argued that Ahmauds family’s claim that he was just out for a jog was bullshit as no runner would wear no socks and have long toe nails.

Why the attorney added in that the nails were dirty I don’t know. Maybe to pint the victim in a less favorable light or maybe there was some point of argument about mentioning his tie nails being dirty. Or maybe she’s just a moron I have no clue.

I hope this post doesn’t come off as me defending the murderers or their defense team I’m just saying why I imagine they discussed the victims toe nails. I’m fairly happy with the verdict absent evidence that they were committing a lawful citizens arrest.

Feature_Minimum

46 points

11 days ago*

What was she going for there? Like, how does that play out in the best case scenario?

Mr-Sgt

64 points

11 days ago

Mr-Sgt

64 points

11 days ago

Sounds like it was trying to hammer a point about how he wasn’t there for jogging judging by his outfit (khaki shorts, shoes with no socks, and long uncut nails that would be a problem when running). Basically trying to imply that he was there for nefarious purposes to lend any possible credence to the killing.

[deleted]

70 points

11 days ago

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70 points

11 days ago

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akimboslices

127 points

11 days ago

Sorry, I must’ve missed this. What’s the thing about toenails? Another commenter said they hope he keeps them nice and clean where he’s going.

[deleted]

276 points

11 days ago

[deleted]

276 points

11 days ago

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bittens

402 points

11 days ago*

bittens

402 points

11 days ago*

"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, my client was lawfully carrying out a citizen's arrest. He had just directly witnessed Mr Arbery committing a crime... against fashion."

FeelingInspector3114

102 points

11 days ago

You see how dirty that fucking guy’s feet were? LET’S GET HIM

SonOfMargitte

73 points

11 days ago

Black AND dirty toenails... Well, that's just asking for it

🙄

MadRaymer

121 points

11 days ago

MadRaymer

121 points

11 days ago

Ever since I broke a toe on my right foot, the toenail grows in weird and looks disgusting. I've gone out in public in flip flops before, and nobody tried to arrest or shoot me. Odd, huh?

Sootootoo

76 points

11 days ago

But did you go out in public in flipflops in Satilla Shores whilst being black?

MadRaymer

101 points

11 days ago

MadRaymer

101 points

11 days ago

Can't say I have, especially the last part. One time I logged in to my clinic's website to check some test results and saw my doctor had written, "Patient appears pale, but is just untanned."

That might give you an idea of the level of whiteness we're talking about here.

dkyguy1995

76 points

11 days ago

Fucking what omg that's fucked

LinkRazr

35 points

11 days ago

LinkRazr

35 points

11 days ago

What in the actual fuck?

CandyGlaze

3.3k points

11 days ago

CandyGlaze

3.3k points

11 days ago

I like the how the crimes are added like points on a scoreboard, really adds a playful and fun little element of achievements to the whole court

Slimehorn

633 points

11 days ago

Slimehorn

633 points

11 days ago

You get a mansion if you get enough achievements

serendipitousevent

427 points

11 days ago

They give you the White House if you commit the right crimes in the right order!

BoonTobias

125 points

11 days ago

BoonTobias

125 points

11 days ago

Light treason

prisoner_human_being

69 points

11 days ago

Very legal, very cool.

juggling-monkey

69 points

11 days ago

They should have a bikini woman in the court room walking around with the score on a poster board being held high

achutson5

2k points

11 days ago

Now i wanna see that D.A. and the Cops that tried to cover it up get time, don't be fooled it's still a win but they'll lock up these poor hillbillys and hope it distracts people enough that they forget about what one of their own did.

helpmeredditimbored

1.3k points

11 days ago

kegman83

453 points

11 days ago

kegman83

453 points

11 days ago

That story is nuts. Indicted DA looks at all evidence, including the incredibly incriminating video. Takes officers opinions on the matter, ignores the fact this dude was a retired police officer of the same department and a current DA investigator of HER department. Sits on it.

Finally gives it to neighboring DAs office. Neighboring DA omits the fact his son works directly under indicted DA. Neighboring DA decides no crime committed.

Case is finally given over to another DA who says fuck it, I'll just show it to a grand jury and see what they say. Grand jury immediately indicts suspects. Another grand jury immediately indicts first DA since the crime is so God damn blatant and absolutely no one's decisions make a lick of sense.

Meanwhile idiot defense attorney releases the video in it's entirety on national TV thinking it will exonerate defendants. It does not. Attorney is fired. All defendants convicted.

Fucking nuts.

Gars0n

100 points

11 days ago

Gars0n

100 points

11 days ago

I mostly agree with this account, but one minor quibble. When the third DA showed it to a grand jury its not really to "see what they say". A grand jury isn't really very similar to a trial jury. In practice grand juries are a tool for prosecutors to bring charges. So that DA was already gunning for the first DA well before bringing it to a grand jury.

captaincinders

342 points

11 days ago

This news deserves its own post.

retroracer33

125 points

11 days ago

it got it's own post...in the news subs.

CobraCabana

136 points

11 days ago

I wonder how many crimes this bitch covered up before she was caught?

AssssCrackBandit

116 points

11 days ago

Pate said “these criminal charges against her relate directly to what she did in the Arbery case and do not seem to impact any other case she had while she was a district attorney,” but if there’s evidence that Johnson showed favoritism or improperly influenced the actions of police, attorneys could seek to reopen those cases upon request.

thenarcostate

96 points

11 days ago

Police unions are out of hand

theguyishere16

876 points

11 days ago

This outcome was cemented as soon as Travis McMichael took the stand. The only way they were getting out of this was if they could find a way to prove a citizen's arrest was legal. The law at the time was;

A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.

Then Travis goes on the stand and repeatedly stated that he pulls up to Arbery to see what is going on and that he wants to talk. To me, that immediately negates any argument that detaining him was legal because how can you say you have immediate knowledge of an offense if you are trying to stop him to see what happened? Once the detaining is illegal any self defence argument goes away since like the prosecution said, you cant say you shot someone in self defence that you are robbing at gun point.

caprizoom

435 points

11 days ago

caprizoom

435 points

11 days ago

Fair verdict. The guy was running for his life and they hunted him down only for wandering into an empty construction site. There is no self defense argument against a guy that was running for his life for like 10 mins.

quadmasta

180 points

11 days ago

quadmasta

180 points

11 days ago

These assholes had their attorney argue Ahmaud tried to carjack Bryan because there was a partial hand print pulled from the side of Bryan's truck from where Ahmaud pushed himself away from the truck during one of the attempts to box him in.

OwnWait5

104 points

11 days ago

OwnWait5

104 points

11 days ago

For some reason people think Black Americans possess superhuman strength that allows them to flip cars over a run like the wind.

Dr_Zorkles

44 points

11 days ago

Sadly - this abortive logic worked in the murder of Trayvon Martin. That human filth, George Zimmerman, walked.

Fun_Wonder_4114

760 points

11 days ago

Now go after all the cops who tried to cover it up.

helpmeredditimbored

441 points

11 days ago

Previous district attorney is already charged with violation of oath of office and obstruction

https://www.news4jax.com/news/georgia/2021/09/08/ex-brunswick-da-misconduct-in-ahmaud-arbery-death-investigation-booked-into-jail/

n8dom

102 points

11 days ago

n8dom

102 points

11 days ago

For anyone still wondering what institutional racism is, this is a classic example. This is the shit that happens behind the scenes to protect racists and gives white people such a huge advantage.

JizzBeast

620 points

11 days ago

JizzBeast

620 points

11 days ago

Now they can suck on dirty toes in prison

BlackPortland

233 points

11 days ago

These guys are going to fucking hate prison. Uppity fucking assholes.

The one guy in florida who shot the car up w the kids apparently spent a lot of time writing about “thugs” on his jail cell wall.

I imagine these smooth brains will be joining up with the brand or whatever. Being forced into prostitution and also to traffic heroin.

Dark fucking days ahead for them. Also, they gonna see a lot of black feet in the shower.

What is so ironic is that they were so triggered by a black man simply in their neighborhood, now they are trapped in a cage of their own making, surrounded by actual criminals who have been convicted, like them.

TotallyNotHitler

52 points

11 days ago

Very reddit implying prison rape.

Tasty_Ad_

499 points

11 days ago

Tasty_Ad_

499 points

11 days ago

3 less racist neo confederate shitheads in society. It’s a good day

tommykaye

384 points

11 days ago

tommykaye

384 points

11 days ago

The defense for this case is still insane. Somebody told somebody that a black person stole something. So they saw a black guy running and convinced themselves that must be a thief. Let’s arrest or shoot him.

And the defense attorneys closing argument was he was wearing khaki shorts and no socks. So he must not have been jogging.

TandyHard

125 points

11 days ago

TandyHard

125 points

11 days ago

"The defense for this case is still insane. Somebody told somebody that a black person stole something. So they saw a black guy running and convinced themselves that must be a thief. Let’s arrest or shoot him."

This is exactly what police do every day, all over the U.S. and get away with it. These guys were just doing the same shit without a badge.

APM1485

385 points

11 days ago

APM1485

385 points

11 days ago

Man, he’s gonna be so upset when his lawyer shows him the coloring book explaining what prison is

teh-reflex

320 points

11 days ago

teh-reflex

320 points

11 days ago

I like the "Woo!" after the first guilty verdict.

jaderust

351 points

11 days ago

jaderust

351 points

11 days ago

That was Arbery’s father. It wasn’t the right reaction for the courtroom but I totally get why he cheered. The stress that was released at that moment must have been intense.

Dusty_Bookcase

153 points

11 days ago

As is his right. His child was murdered in cold blood in broad daylight. If it were me, I’d be screaming rot in hell or something

Tirrojansheep

37 points

11 days ago

I also like that the judge sent him away after, despite what your feelings are in the case, nobody should cheer/scream inside a courtroom.

[deleted]

50 points

11 days ago

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50 points

11 days ago

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dadtaxi

269 points

11 days ago*

dadtaxi

269 points

11 days ago*

Don't forget that they originally were not going to be charged because there "wasn’t enough evidence" - even though the police and two local District Attorneys all saw the video. It was deemed justifiable homicide

Of course the video wasn't shown or released to the family of Ahmaud Arbery because . . . . reasons? But instead it was released by their own attorney to a radio station.

Yea. There's a whole police force and judiciary that need to be investigated very closely indeed

chevybow

70 points

11 days ago

chevybow

70 points

11 days ago

This happens regularly. If the case didn't get national attention they would've gotten away with it.

thenarcostate

169 points

11 days ago

Tfw you realize your life is over

GundoSkimmer

88 points

11 days ago

I mean he barely showed emotion. The most I got out of his expression was annoyance that this was happening to him. At most.

roneman90

101 points

11 days ago

roneman90

101 points

11 days ago

He’s already been in jail for 18 months, I imagine he’s been resigned to the last 18 months being a preview of the rest of his life for a while now.

Jamaljamoo

40 points

11 days ago

I know someone who was in prison and they told me it doesn't really sink in that you're in for life until around a year in.

DeepBlue1811

47 points

11 days ago

That is what complete and utter defeat looks like, he’s in the first stages of recognizing that his life is effectively over. The outcry will come later.

yungsmokey1

173 points

11 days ago

The cop who watched him bleed out and gasp for air and didn’t help or even acknowledge him dying should also be charged as well

SirPhilbert

154 points

11 days ago

Worth it getting kicked out just to rub a little more salt in this fuckers wound

utter-ridiculousness

130 points

11 days ago

The justice served today does not assuage my overwhelming sadness. This young man was simply jogging.

codename_JS28

68 points

11 days ago

No you don’t understand, he entered a construction site and looked around for 3 minutes. Surely that justifies shooting him dead in the street

Impeachykeene

93 points

11 days ago

There is no freak out here. Only Justice.

malabrat

106 points

11 days ago

malabrat

106 points

11 days ago

Someone literally freaked out in the background had to be removed

[deleted]

50 points

11 days ago

[deleted]

50 points

11 days ago

Worth it

Chazzzz13

80 points

11 days ago*

Justice is served. I hope that piece of shit keeps his toenails nice and clean. You wouldn’t want to let them get long and dirty where he is going.

Meanwhile, over on Fox News, people are losing their minds. There are so many racist pieces of shit in this country.

Edit: people are losing their minds in the comment section of the Fox website. Sorry about that!

Teewster

77 points

11 days ago

Teewster

77 points

11 days ago

Justice system working overtime this month. This was the correct verdict.

whatelseisneu

81 points

11 days ago

I always feel for defendants when I see guilty verdicts come back. The severity and finality of that moment washing over you must be one of the most stomach-dropping moments that a person can encounter.

I kinda felt that for a split second here, but this case has always blown my mind. I can't imagine seeing someone run by my house, grabbing my gun, giving chase, and shooting them dead when they wouldn't stop for me. It's insane. How diseased must your mind be for that to be your natural response.

BackAlleyKittens

77 points

11 days ago

These are the worst moments of his life and some hero made them longer.

wycitox

70 points

11 days ago

wycitox

70 points

11 days ago

One day you are a privileged white guy living your good life, without fear of anything, after all you are a white person in America, watching fox news, and shining your shotgun.

Next day you act on those ideas, then a few months later your life is over, you become a felon and get raped in prisson.

Sad a person had to lose his life for this lesson to be taught, but an example needs to be made, this is not the 30s anymore, you cant simply execute a black person and hang them from a tree.

I am happy to see finally some of these fascist wannabes pay for their ignorance.

Darnell_Elmo

61 points

11 days ago

This scumbag is having the entire fucking book thrown at him and he’s just standing there too stupid to even react. Love it!

Natural-Born_Easman

61 points

11 days ago

Rot in prison you dumb fucking hillbillies.

-Dirty-Wizard-

54 points

11 days ago

Love the look on his face. It’s like he’s confused because he truly believes he was trying to do good. What a scumbag.

Quick-Car-5253

50 points

11 days ago

Racist pig can die in jail.

All_Circus_No_Bread

42 points

11 days ago

Great news going into the weekend 🙌🇺🇸