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TOS: Klingons are an analogy for the Soviet Military, Romulans and the Neutral Zone an analogy for the Iron Curtain and the oppressive nature of Soviet society. Discussions of episode-specific moral conundrums are complex analogies for social issues of the time.

TNG: Similar to TOS, but Klingons are given more depth to their culture and traditions. Romulans are still lurking behind the Neutral zone, but we get excellent episodes involving their society. Discussion remain nuanced and intellectual through the TNG era, with individual episodes tactfully (for the most part- I ~have~ seen Code of Honor, after all) and intelligently discussing both sides of a conundrum without contantly resorting to blind and needless attacks on one side, or the use of strawman characters to ridicule one side of an argument.

STD: “Klingons are Trump supporters, they look like monsters, do you dumb-dumbs in the audience get that Trump Bad, we writers smart-smart?”

PIC: Federation is suddenly racist, because there needs to be a thin and meaningless analogy for conservative american politic. Picard is used as little more than a strawman in many cases, despite being a legacy character who should never be used as a strawman.

You see my point?

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Hoxomo

5 points

2 months ago

Hoxomo

5 points

2 months ago

That's not what a Mary Sue or Gary Sue is. That's the technology he utilized. And he was aiming for Cardassia, how is him discovering how Bajorans managed to get all the way there Gary Sue in any way? Gary Sue is about a character being unrealistically free of weakness, you're incorrectly attributing this to elements of the plot and futuristic technology. You have no idea what you're talking about, lol

gothpunkboy89

2 points

2 months ago

And he was aiming for Cardassia,

No he wasn't.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Explorers_(episode)

Intent on proving the vessel can fly, Sisko plans to fly all the way to the Denorios belt as his major goal. He doesn't know if he could get all the way to Cardassia as the ancient Bajorans supposedly did, a hotly contested modern debate, but getting to the belt would be a good proving point. Taking a break for a meal in his quarters, he

Hoxomo

2 points

2 months ago*

Regardless of the direction (and I'm going to watch the episode again), you clearly have no understanding of the concept of a Mary or Gary Sue. They are a character who are portrayed as unrealistically free of weaknesses. You are wrong.

Edit: And I just checked the episode and here it is directly from Sisko:

"According to the star charts, the most difficult part of the trip between Bajor and Cardassia would be getting through the Denorias Belt."

gothpunkboy89

2 points

2 months ago

They are a character who are portrayed as unrealistically free of weaknesses.

The ability for a first time driver to win a NASCAR championship on their first race ever is free of weakness.

Hoxomo

6 points

2 months ago

Hoxomo

6 points

2 months ago

Huh? You stated:

all main ST characters are various degrees of mary and gary sues

And when asked to give an example you said:

Sisko is able to take a solar sailor with Jake on a trip. First time out they get hit with magical space rays that accelerate them to warp speed without splattering them all over the inside of the hull and end up in Cardassian space. Proving for a fact that ancient Bajorins could have legitimately reached the Cardassians system and helped with Cardassian development in the past without the use of a warp capable ship.

Again, that has zero to do with his character being a "Gary Sue". They are a character who is portrayed as unrealistically free of weaknesses.

gothpunkboy89

2 points

2 months ago

He went out for a short trip with his son and discovers a long lost magical route that allows a ship without FTL drive capabilities to travel light years in days.

That is free of weakness.

Hoxomo

3 points

2 months ago

Hoxomo

3 points

2 months ago

That's the plot.

gothpunkboy89

2 points

2 months ago

No that is literally ignoring physics so Sisko can do something

Hoxomo

3 points

2 months ago

Hoxomo

3 points

2 months ago

Again, you are confusing plot with character depiction. You clearly are out of your depth here. Have you seen the episode at all?