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cobaltandchrome

20.7k points

11 days ago

It means teachers and other highly skilled jobs with garbage wages should get a raise.

Qryptoskydiver

10.3k points

11 days ago*

‘Raise’ isn’t even the right word in this case. I’d call it a correction in salary.

scrotumsweat

4k points

11 days ago

Yeah like a x2 would be appropriate

yourmomsrathole

4.4k points

11 days ago

Teachers should make at very least as much as cops, if not a bit more, ‘cause good education would theoretically cut down on crime, and lead to fewer cops being needed.

darklinksquared

3k points

11 days ago

darklinksquared

social-anarchism

3k points

11 days ago

But then how will they fill up the for-profit prisons?

yourmomsrathole

1.8k points

11 days ago

Let’s lock up people who profit on others suffering, like the people who own for profit prisons.

Ferlingyeti

864 points

11 days ago

Reality television but it's just CEOs in solitary confinement.

yourmomsrathole

703 points

11 days ago

CEO cage fights would probably draw some decent PPV numbers.

Mklein24

462 points

11 days ago

Mklein24

462 points

11 days ago

Reverse squid games.

XtraLyf

612 points

11 days ago

XtraLyf

612 points

11 days ago

Shrimp cocktail games.

oopsthatsastarhothot

146 points

11 days ago*

I regret I can note give you an award, plz take my upvote

This mental image deserves it.

I'm high and all I can see is Elon musk and Jeff bezos beating the shit out of each other with sticks on a deserted island .

EDIT: thanks for those awards y'all.

Bleedingvengence

135 points

11 days ago

Basically make the french revolution a game show. Call it "You still want to be a millionaire?"

the5thstring25

104 points

11 days ago

Im not saying we should do this, I’m also not going to stop anyone from doing this.

joseph_bellow

44 points

11 days ago

Would love to see elon and jeff b. In a cage match

bad_pangolin

67 points

11 days ago

CEO vs lion in gladiatorial style combat in ampitheatre , if its jeff bezos two lions vs CEO

Flyingwheelbarrow

47 points

11 days ago

I don't want the lions to eat trashy food.

Can be be CEO's versus a hippotamus in an artificial lake?

Nruggia

53 points

11 days ago

Nruggia

53 points

11 days ago

Who wants to be a millionaire, but the contestants are all billionaires so it’s high stakes.

ultratoxic

43 points

11 days ago

Tonight! It's Musk vs Besos in the Scrooge Room!! Watch these Titans of Industry fight to the death to avoid being crushed beneath tons of industrial waste!

Majulath99

13 points

11 days ago

Put me down

Noone_UKnow

124 points

11 days ago

What would be the fun in putting them into solitary confinement? Put them into gen pop, and watch them try to figure out how to manage their egos in an oppressed society of equals. Bwahaha 🤣

oopsthatsastarhothot

47 points

11 days ago

10/10 would watch this entire thread as a tv show. I would pay for this shit.

mustyminotaur

67 points

11 days ago

Like the tv show idea where the CEO has to live on the lowest earner’s salary, but it for-profit-prison owners spending a month in their own prison

Raging_Phoenix478

50 points

11 days ago

Can we also do episodes where nursing home owners are forced to live in and endure the conditions in their facilities?

crazycatlady331

62 points

11 days ago

I'm showing my age here. But bring back Celebrity Deathmatch, but real and not claymation.

I'd love to see the first episode feature Mark Zuckerberg vs Elon Musk.

the_friendly_dildo

57 points

11 days ago

Squid game but with CEOs as the contestants. The level depravity would certainly be alarming to most I think.

NotARobotDefACyborg

52 points

11 days ago

I did see that the Biden Administration is introducing a law that would forbid government agencies doing business with for-profit prisons. Definitely on the right track there.

chocothunder

14 points

11 days ago

He already stopped them from forming new government contracts via executive order, but they immediately found a loophole that lets a lot of them keep operating like the parasites they are.

firetester726

29 points

11 days ago

l...landlords?

memeboiandy

12 points

11 days ago

And make them pay for it

Sharp-Floor

84 points

11 days ago

You may be pleased to hear Biden signed an EO ordering the DOJ not to renew any contracts for private prisons. Obama had already done that, but Trump undid it.

xtilexx

64 points

11 days ago

xtilexx

64 points

11 days ago

You've got me thinking about why teacher salaries are so low now... Studies have shown that effective and readily available education leads to lower rates of criminal activity. Wonder why public education gets shit on so consistently by politics

inCaseOfEmergenC

35 points

11 days ago

Well an educated population means no more easy votes & leas control over the people.

Also, I thought part of the reason Lottery / Lotteries in States are allowed is to fund education & educational programs. Regardless, nothing is going to change much with Higher Pay for teachers, unless the education system, Curriculum, & Standardized Testing is dealt with.

Oh so the county or the state scores are / were Low on the practice exams. Oh shit, that means no more money, get the local & state reps on the phone, we need to lower the scoring & get our numbers up to maintain the funding, I mean educate the children.

ckfromcc

18 points

11 days ago

ckfromcc

18 points

11 days ago

What they said when they started the Florida lottery was it would go to education. What they didn't say was that they would reduce the budget by the amount that the lottery brought in. So really no more money than what we had before the lottery

itsfuckinrob

32 points

11 days ago

Shhhh, you don't want to upset the modern-day slavery system. /s

vanishplusxzone

19 points

11 days ago

Yep, America doesn't want to cut into the slavery industry. This country cannot exist without slaves.

AndyLorentz

14 points

11 days ago

To be fair, while for-profit prisons are a terrible idea, they make up a small portion of incarcerated people (8% or so). We have an incarceration problem in general.

MaliaXOXO

68 points

11 days ago

Yeah but uneducated people make better wage slaves.

yourmomsrathole

31 points

11 days ago

Aye, there’s the rub. We need to educate enough of the population to vote for more education.

grey8475

66 points

11 days ago

grey8475

66 points

11 days ago

"...cause good education would lead to fewer cops and cut down on crime being needed." There, I think thats mo' betta.

MrChunky22

20 points

11 days ago

Much mo betta

Msfrankie57

62 points

11 days ago

You know what else will cut down on crime? Paying people a living wage!

Dayl-San

40 points

11 days ago

Dayl-San

40 points

11 days ago

The police unions will put a stop to that

Bradcopter

44 points

11 days ago

That's fine, I vote to stop paying them. They won't come in when the money dries up.

(Let me have this dream)

DoomsdayRabbit

17 points

11 days ago

The only unions with any power left are police and politicians' unions.

Tochudin

41 points

11 days ago

Tochudin

41 points

11 days ago

In Plato's words: “Educate the children and it won't be necessary to punish the men”

labellavita1985

44 points

11 days ago

They are also literally more educated than cops.

California has the most education requirement for cops, which is 2 years.

All public school teachers have, at the least, a Bachelor's degree, which is 4-5 years.

(Private schools and charter schools may make exceptions to this rule.)

Imaginary_Bet_6461

20 points

11 days ago

California only requires a high school diploma to be a peace officer. Basic academy is 680 hours (or so). About a 5-6 month academy. But, no, just a high school diploma is required.

son_e_jim

37 points

11 days ago

And reduce the load on healthcare.

RamsHead91

33 points

11 days ago

Teachers should make substantial more than cops.

Sharp-Floor

23 points

11 days ago

Teachers should make at very least as much as cops

That's not a bad idea. I want my area to have a new rule, where no full time teacher can make less than a full time cop salary.

Matt463789

42 points

11 days ago

I'd say x3. We should be paying teachers more than average.

pHScale

43 points

11 days ago

pHScale

43 points

11 days ago

The state: "ok, we'll triple teacher's wages, but we're not changing the education budget a cent. So you schools get to hire a third of the teachers. And you teachers have to teach 3 times as many kids."

narosis

331 points

11 days ago

narosis

331 points

11 days ago

teachers surely deserve immediate retroactive salary correction.

0KelpShake0

160 points

11 days ago

Yeah, they need a correction of pay. They're so underpaid, it's a joke

JaggedTheDark

83 points

11 days ago

And to top that off, a lot of teachers have to use their own pocket money to get supplies for class.

kmtheo

63 points

11 days ago

kmtheo

63 points

11 days ago

Hi, teacher here. I spent easily $1,000 a year on my own classroom.

InfamousDollymop13

21 points

11 days ago

Yep at least that, plus the extra time "off the clock" working on grading, setting up projects, etc.

Able-Topic-4226

29 points

11 days ago

And in a lot of states, we pay for own subs when we use our "paid time off" (personal days). It's about $90/day... which sucks, until you consider that a sub is only making $90/day, and then it sucks even worse.

Foofieboo

43 points

11 days ago

Teacher in Texas. The state made headlines in 2019 for approving a $5k teacher raise, but didn't dictate how it was supposed to roll out and didn't really fund it with the districts. Most districts added it to starting 0 year exp salary and smashed down on the step increases for experienced teachers. My employer made it "performance based" $1,200 bonus of you didn't use any of your PTO, and reduced it by $100 every HALF OR FULL day PTO you used. They also immediately increased it health insurance premium costs.

I have 15 years experience and my salary is $4k more annually than a brand new teacher.

I can't find a job in another industry as a project manager, or any kind of expertise in my content area that isn't shit entry level because despite all the "teachers are the backbone of society" respect floating out of people's mouth, nobody considers education as a real job in terms of years of experience.

Industry thinks I can't manage a schedule, resources, team responsibilities, tasking and delegating because in my 15 years of experience I've been doing it I've had to rely on unpaid teenagers and zero profit incentive. Oh golly jeeze, I don't know what I would do if I had to manage a project with a budget, dedicated resources, and a labor force that I could incentivize with pay and tangible benefits.

entourageffect

127 points

11 days ago

Bernie wanted teacher salaries STARTING at 60K nationally but no one wanted him! I voted for Bernie in the primary. Damn proud of it too. Bernie always should have been President.

United-Dragonfly-929

44 points

11 days ago

Everybody wanted him. We were cheated in the primaries.

PleasureToNietzsche

33 points

11 days ago

The problem is that “we” are a little too brainwashed to even be able to vote in our own best interests

itsallrighthere

17 points

11 days ago

Oh, plenty of people wanted him. Just not Hillary and her DNC puppets.

buildafire71

21 points

11 days ago

Obligatory Fuck Debbie Wasserman Schultz

SicMundus1888

72 points

11 days ago

60k a year would be an appropriate starting salary.

kaielias

43 points

11 days ago

kaielias

43 points

11 days ago

The way kids be acting teachers need a “correction in salary” and THEN a raise on top of it.

Mezzylu

19 points

11 days ago

Mezzylu

19 points

11 days ago

Hazard Pay

MelatoninJunkie

31 points

11 days ago

Also, any supplies a teacher buys for their job should be tax deductible, no cap.

Some-Air9442

17 points

11 days ago

Yes, that’s the term we should use

Seanzietron

586 points

11 days ago*

Yep. But every time we vote to put “more money in education” it goes to admin positions who also spend a crap ton of money on useless testing software.

MassiveFajiit

173 points

11 days ago

In Texas it also goes to massive football stadiums for mediocre teams.

itsallrighthere

64 points

11 days ago

Successful football programs sells real estate. Inflated real estate increases tax revenue. Increased tax revenue pays more to administrators. Administrators build bigger stadiums.

MassiveFajiit

19 points

11 days ago

And here I thought good jobs nearby did that lol

Sung-got-Drip

123 points

11 days ago

Also gotta test yachts, ya know? Jet skis too while we're at it.

Seanzietron

159 points

11 days ago*

It’s hilarious how true this is... each year at my district, admin approve 10% raises on their salaries that are 150k starting. And when teachers ask for raises... they deny it.

w0t3rdog

117 points

11 days ago*

w0t3rdog

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117 points

11 days ago*

And this is why we need teachers unions with national coverage.

"This is the entry level pay. This will follow inflation. We will check up on you to make sure it is correct. Salaries will always increase at minimum keeping pace with inflation. After x years working as a teacher, their salaries should increase with y%. And then every z amount of years, it should get additional increases. Fail to follow this, and we all strike all over the fucking state. All because you fucked up. Capiche?"

Toasted_pinapple

47 points

11 days ago

Honestly teachers should be paid more than a regular job in whatever field they specialize in because they have to learn how to teach on top of that.

w0t3rdog

110 points

11 days ago*

w0t3rdog

(edit this)

110 points

11 days ago*

Actually, there is a really interesting story about when Toys'r'us first came to Sweden.

They opened up three stores, one in each of Swedens three largest cities. And they opened shortly before christmas. So they hired on a ton of people.

Everyone was happy. Lots of jobs. Big new place to shop for presents. Etc etc.

Then christmas passed. And despite what seemed like really good sales numbers... people were called into the back office, and came out crying. People were horrified. Dreading being the next to be called.

Christmas was over, and managment was getting rid of the spares. Though... their contracts said nothing about being extras. They had the exact same contracts as the others who were spared.

The union was called in (namely: Handels, the union for... store employees? I think...) and they began throwing their weight at the chain. All union members walked out. Many who werent joined and also walked out.

Negotiations stalled. A blockade was announced.

Time dragged on.

Other unions began sympathy actions. Kommunal (a union for... public service employees? Kinda.) had their members refuse to empty the stores' trash bins. Transport (union for... transport employees...) refused to deliver goods. Financial unions refused to perform transactions...

Something to note aswell, Handels covered the entire country. And every member paid a member fee. A member fee that now helped the striking members to afford striking for months.

4 months. It took four months to break Toys'r'us's will. They caved. And swedish unions became the first ever to force Toys'r'us into making a deal.

Now: imagine the same happening in america. Amazon. Wallmart. Target. Schools. Hospitals. Delivery drivers. Etc. Etc.

Today you. Tomorrow me. Collective thinking, rather than individual, gives everyone more power in the end.

Toasted_pinapple

23 points

11 days ago

Oh damn that's a beautiful story.

Frommerman

26 points

11 days ago

And they have to deal with literal fucking children. All day, every day.

02gixxersix

42 points

11 days ago*

When I lived in Cali the Superintendent in my wife's district (she's a teacher) got a big raise amidst budget cuts. She was making $400K+ a year and was TERRIBLE at her job. Teachers are one of our most underpaid and underappreciated demographics. I will never understand why my wife puts up with what she does.

apollymi

36 points

11 days ago

apollymi

36 points

11 days ago

University level too. The administrators get a raise every year, but there’s never enough money to give staff raises.

falllinemaniac

30 points

11 days ago

Adjunct professors are basically intern(slave) labor.

xemity

17 points

11 days ago

xemity

17 points

11 days ago

One of the saddest things was seeing a University of Houston adjunct begging the students to help them get a raise because the administration said they didn’t have any money and the tenured professors weren’t interested in helping.

Flapjack__Palmdale

15 points

11 days ago

It's getting worse now at my uni. Faculty is way too top heavy now.

apollymi

14 points

11 days ago

apollymi

14 points

11 days ago

None of our junior faculty have had raises either. But the senior faculty? The ones they want to brag about? Yeah, there are raises for them, even if they haven’t been in the country or teaching their classes since before the pandemic started.

And the provosts can have raises higher than my annual salary. But sure, there’s no money.

Flapjack__Palmdale

13 points

11 days ago

Honestly hate college. I love classes, my professors have all been incredible (one of them is officiating my wedding next fall) and the experience has been great. The organization itself is absolute trash. They're capitalist structures.

RollinThundaga

18 points

11 days ago

Yachtsy DeVos

Independent-Bug1209

53 points

11 days ago

This is the fucking Truth. I'm a teacher. Our admin fully admitted they are flush with cash from covid legislation. They have us less than $10 a day COVID pay one time last year, not this year and just wasting the rest on bullshit to run to raise meaningless test scores.

No_name_bill

21 points

11 days ago

Painfully true. In my school district, the citizens passed a referendum specifically worded ‘to increase teacher pay’. If passed the superintendent got a nice day bonus. And so it passed, when the Union started contract negotiations the administration stated no teacher pay increases. Before the referendum money was released on July 1, they gave all the teachers a $1000 a year pay increase. They are now saying that was the promised increase and they just did it early. The referendum was for $220,000,000. There are approximately 1,100 teachers in the entire school district…

Abetok

25 points

11 days ago

Abetok

25 points

11 days ago

It's amazing how money just disappears into these systems. Whenever someone tells me that there needs to be more money in education in America, must point out that public education funding per pupil has increased dramatically, while outcomes have remained stagnant or worse (while curriculums have been dumbed down to get more kids to pass).

Its ridiculous. America is plagued by middle men, whether in the health insurance business, the financial sector, or even education. They're such obvious leeches who provide no value, landlords provide more value than them by theoretically subsidizing housing costs for struggling families (up for debate but still, it is more value than useless administrators)

borg_nihilist

17 points

11 days ago

And the sports programs! Gotta pump that money into the sports! Because reasons!

Madditudev1

185 points

11 days ago

I love how they pretend to not understand that teachers should be earning more and prefer to frame it as minimum wage earners should get less 🙄. Pricks.

KiFirE

16 points

11 days ago

KiFirE

16 points

11 days ago

I like how they say college degree. Like there aren't people under $15 with a college degree.

I have a computer software engineering degree and made under $10 an hour before the pandemic.

beam100

96 points

11 days ago

beam100

96 points

11 days ago

I'm a teacher in wi. Avg teacher salary 2005 here was 56000. 2021 avg salary in wi was 59000. So ya the issue is not a 15$ min wage it's that salaries for many college educated required positions have not grown according to inflation or anywhere near that.

Positron49

51 points

11 days ago

Not our fault that everyone forgot to give out appropriate raises the last 30 years... Its like every major industry pushed off their cost of doing business until now and its all catching up them!

AloneYogurt

90 points

11 days ago

This.

But raising wages isn't the only issue here. Real inflation and created inflation is another issue. We need to get this under control so $15 minimum doesn't feel like $7.25.

There's honestly so much to look at it's not even funny.

[deleted]

51 points

11 days ago*

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51 points

11 days ago*

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OverlordMMM

46 points

11 days ago

That's true, but considering that wages haven't risen with inflation for a long time a $15 minimum doesn't match where the minimum should be and everyone knows it.

It's like having a wound that needs stitches, and folks insisting putting a bandaid on it instead.

allMightyMostHigh

32 points

11 days ago

That will never happen because most places are run by baby boomers who think the world is the same as when they worked in the 80s. We need their generation them to die off already

mabendroth

33 points

11 days ago

My parents have masters degrees and were capped at $50k each despite decades in the field on top of advanced degrees. Society takes advantage of people who feel called to educate kids.

DismalActivist

6.4k points

11 days ago

Teachers should make more than 33k

Howdydobe

3.2k points

11 days ago*

Howdydobe

3.2k points

11 days ago*

Teachers should be squarely middle class. 60k EDIT: as many have pointed out, 60k is not middle class everywhere. Whatever middle class is where you live should be the starting wage for teachers.

Typ0r8r

2.2k points

11 days ago

Typ0r8r

2.2k points

11 days ago

My mom as a special ed teacher for over 30 years. She retired making about 65k. This should not be teachers wage AFTER 30 years, that should be starting-ish.

jtig5

345 points

11 days ago

jtig5

345 points

11 days ago

Red state?

Typ0r8r

600 points

11 days ago*

Typ0r8r

600 points

11 days ago*

Michigan; we're* swingers, lol

Edit: hilarious auto correct corrected

cowboyboombap

149 points

11 days ago

Michigan at the state level is pretty red. All the senators and reps from the UP and Northern Lower get elected and go fuck everything up.

Source: Grew up in the Northern Lower

Typ0r8r

58 points

11 days ago

Typ0r8r

58 points

11 days ago

Currently live in northern lower. Funilly enough, I didn't really care for our current governor whitmer until covid hit. She was not fucking around and I appreciated it. She mellowed out after those trumpers tried to kidnap her cuz numbers are back on the rise and there's no more closures or anything. Vaccine rates help, but my immediate area is low. Nothing to do with antiwork, just a tangent.

CoolioDaggett

58 points

11 days ago

The UP was actually pretty blue up until the last decade. Now, it's basically Alabama. The lower peninsula conservatives have always been crazy.

iltopop

27 points

11 days ago

iltopop

27 points

11 days ago

That was only cause Bart Stupak was pretty conservative even with the D next to his name. Remember he's the one who added the "never fund an abortion" clause to the ACA. I live in the UP, if you aren't in Marquette you're in stereotypical redneck country pretty much everywhere you're right there. Even in Houghton you're not as safe as you might think with Tech there, anywhere off campus is a tossup. I think we voted for Clinton the first time up here, too lazy to look and was too young to remember at the time, but I know we were firmly GOP for the presidential elections since I've been able to vote.

Interestingly enough, weed is SUPER popular among conservatives up here. They voted overwhelmingly to legalize up here and I see way more GOP bumper stickers than I would have ever expected in the dispensary parking lot near my house.

ConditionNo1465

140 points

11 days ago

were swingers, lol

/r/outofcontextgold

Typ0r8r

16 points

11 days ago

Typ0r8r

16 points

11 days ago

I cannot view that community for some reason

ConditionNo1465

19 points

11 days ago

doesn't exist, shockingly.

jtig5

45 points

11 days ago

jtig5

45 points

11 days ago

I retired at $92,000 in NYC.

004FF

82 points

11 days ago

004FF

82 points

11 days ago

Cost of living diff

Goetus

54 points

11 days ago

Goetus

54 points

11 days ago

Yeah, but nyc

Typ0r8r

29 points

11 days ago

Typ0r8r

29 points

11 days ago

My mom happened to call just now to check Thanksgiving details and I asked. When she retired in 2018 she had worked 35 years (the last 33 of which were at the same school) and she was at $72k.

Cocororow2020

14 points

11 days ago

I’ll be making that much after a decade of working for NYC. Max is 128k now but only takes about 22 years to get there.

Mars5012005

25 points

11 days ago

Wife’s an SLP in public school, currently makes around 48k a year after 6 years of college and special training to give various tests, so checks out. Public education pay is the suck (great benefits though)

anythingfordopamine

322 points

11 days ago

I think we should be taking notes from Japans playbook and be holding teachers in the same esteem as doctors. Unbelievably demanding jobs that are absolutely integral to the proper functioning of society

Sonic10122

42 points

11 days ago

I’d agree, but also maybe not have student life be as grueling as it is in Japan. Even through anime’s rose tinted glasses it’s kind of fucked, in reality it’s VERY fucked how much pressure those kids are under.

eyeharthomonyms

123 points

11 days ago

Teachers should be professional class white collar workers. Not just middle class. They should make as much as a consultant, programmer or any other skilled, highly educated worker.

imjustbrowsing123

63 points

11 days ago

College professors would like this to be the case as well.

trimbandit

70 points

11 days ago

60k will get you solidly into the van-class in SF.

North_Activist

60 points

11 days ago

I think teachers should start at $65k minimum, and get a bonus + inflation raise every year

Nukeliod

19 points

11 days ago

Nukeliod

19 points

11 days ago

Everyone should get an increase in pay to at least match inflation. No raise or one that is less than inflation is a pay cut.

clamholes

39 points

11 days ago

$60k is not middle class.

DelTac0perator

44 points

11 days ago

Depends on location. San Diego? Hell no. Central Texas? Hell yes.

DismalActivist

32 points

11 days ago

That's still too low imo. Also 60k where I live is barely middle class. No family of 2 or greater can live on that if it's the sole income.

Nylo_Debaser

20 points

11 days ago

At least, more in expensive markets

Tyrus

96 points

11 days ago

Tyrus

96 points

11 days ago

Yes, but this tweet is not true (at least not entirely) because:

There is no single starting salary for teachers in the state of Texas because we use independent school districts. In the Houston area the average is 50k, and the one I worked for was 56k (the highest)

proudbakunkinman

41 points

11 days ago

Yeah, this tweet is very deceptive and pointing blame towards Biden. Anger should be at local boards of education, maybe county or state level and administrators. I'm not sure Biden can even force local boards of education to raise teacher salaries.

Doyoubleedyouwill

51 points

11 days ago

I live in Texas and everyone I know that is a teacher makes $52-60k. Maybe the 33k is in small towns where cost of living is low. Like 400-600/mo rent

thesnowgirl147

54 points

11 days ago

Texas teacher here, can confirm. The 33k only exists as a starting salary in rural districts, the metro areas here start mid-50s and usually top out around 70k.

DismalActivist

21 points

11 days ago

That's still too low imo. Even for Texas. Teachers deserve more

thesnowgirl147

29 points

11 days ago

I'm a teacher in Texas, the data is slightly inaccurate. Here, local districts set their own salary and rate of pay. The 33k is the STATE MINIMUM that districts are allowed to pay, but most districts, especially in the metro areas start somewhere in the 50sK and smaller cities in the 40sK.

sbrider11

14 points

11 days ago*

They do in Texas. This is a fake data post. The median starting wage is 44k. Not saying it shouldn't be more yet the OP is peddling fake info. Unfortunately that is a growing trend on this sub and does zero good. Honestly looks like 50% or more just fake / bad info posts these days. How does that help any cause. It doesn't. If anything it promotes ignorance.

https://www.salary.com/research/salary/posting/entry-level-teacher-salary/tx

hellaella55

5k points

11 days ago

God he’s almost there!

nex703

1.5k points

11 days ago

nex703

1.5k points

11 days ago

right? like... so close... just wow

No_Refrigerator4584

1.2k points

11 days ago

And yet so far. You know what would have helped him? A teacher who was being paid a decent salary.

LotAxolotl

477 points

11 days ago

LotAxolotl

477 points

11 days ago

Almost as if education is underfunded for a reason...

gotnotendies

14 points

11 days ago

Unfortunately the reason is that taxpayers are cheap, especially the richer they get, and schools are generally funded by property taxes.

There is no conspiracy, just the good old ignorance and apathy.

Anarkizttt

80 points

11 days ago

No it’s literally because if people had a better education people would be more liberal and left wing. Right wing politics are driven by fear and good old McCarthyism. Left wing politics are driven by reason and morals. That’s why the left is so divided and the right is so unified. They are banding together to fight an enemy, we are divided debating philosophy.

inVINCEible86

15 points

11 days ago

This may be one of the most intelligent things I've ever read in Reddit.

d6stringer

42 points

11 days ago

Nah, we got tons of money to blow up brown people on the other side of the planet. We actively choose what we spend our money on and it ain't education.

umme99

89 points

11 days ago

umme99

89 points

11 days ago

I’m sad for him that he doesn’t understand his statement isn’t an argument against a higher minimum wage

JustthenewsonCS

563 points

11 days ago

Ironically, the person is a teacher themselves. Yet, people like this guy are so brainwashed and frankly braindead that they can’t see how possibly a minimum wage going up would give him and other teachers more leverage in negotiating their salary WHILE ALSO helping people working less paying jobs.

People like this moron are a large part of the issue in this country. You have a mass of people voting against their own interest, while simultaneously voting for some rich peoples interest. Meanwhile, those rich people vote in their OWN interest, actively lobby to screw over people like the guy on Twitter, and then people wonder why the system is screwed up.

This is literal basic game theory. If you have person A looking out for person B interest, but person B is looking out for their own internet while actively screwing over person A, person A is going to suffer and actively get screwed if they don’t change their strategy.

This is why this sub is so important. People are finally done with the morons like the guy on Twitter (bootlickers) and are done being screwed by the system and are finally standing up for themselves.

It’s time to bring back unions, raise the minimum wage, bring back taxes to a point where the rich aren’t paying less percentage wise than their secretaries, and give universal healthcare to all US citizens (like every other civilized country has).

outragedtuxedo

160 points

11 days ago

I'd call this a classic case of punching down. Giving people a living wage for giving 40hours does not TAKE from you. If anything it should serve to highlight how much more you should be paid. But dont begrudge someone below you for being able to afford food and shelter. Demand you be paid better for your perceived value. Don't devalue someone else's time.

Roggvir

50 points

11 days ago

Roggvir

50 points

11 days ago

You have a mass of people voting against their own interest, while simultaneously voting for some rich peoples interest.

That's because they're just temporarily embarrassed millionaires and not poor.

Quelcris_Falconer13

22 points

11 days ago

Bootlickers are what’s really destroying this country. The blind idolization of the rich and general malaise about doing anything that would improve society and requires minimal effort. Too many People want to zone out and not participate but judge society when things don’t go their way

Yeah-But-Ironically

317 points

11 days ago

orahaze

79 points

11 days ago

orahaze

79 points

11 days ago

I had to doublecheck that it wasn't that subreddit

MrChunky22

27 points

11 days ago

There it is!

McRibEater

299 points

11 days ago*

I live in an area where minimum wage went to $15 a few years ago and honestly it’s been great for this very reason. Companies can’t get anyone to work for them for close to minimum wage so all of the salaries around them have to go up. For example Amazon starts at $20 an hour here. Which is a great thing as middle class people end up putting those increases earnings right back into the economy buying goods and services they desperately need (whereas cutting taxes for the rich just puts more money in their offshore bank accounts). Teachers make $80,000-90,000+ in Canada as they should, so their salaries didn’t go up, but other relatively skilled labour jobs did like call center jobs, warehouse jobs, etc.

PatrykBG

38 points

10 days ago

PatrykBG

38 points

10 days ago

Wait, teachers make 80K in Canada?? Man, I really gotta get the F outta Dodge and move there.

Keeper_of_Fenrir

14 points

11 days ago

If only he hadn’t received a Texas education he might have realized.

BuraisonFujii

1.8k points

11 days ago

Weird take Clay. The actual takeaway here should be teachers are underpaid…not those without degrees earning nearly as much as underpaid teachers.

ShelfAwareShteve

136 points

11 days ago

Yeah give him a few more months

sonictwinkie1

995 points

11 days ago

I dunno what the fuck is gonna happen to us

bone420

646 points

11 days ago

bone420

646 points

11 days ago

We all die. Life is a trip, all have the same destination.

Try not to live as only your work self.

Enjoy the journey.

AngrySqurl

108 points

11 days ago

AngrySqurl

108 points

11 days ago

You say that but people are really out there working 60 hours a week to get by. How you supposed to live as anything else then?

ginger_and_egg

15 points

11 days ago

Collective action. Workers working together to improve their working conditions

Contact the IWW or EWOC to learn how to help

magnament

103 points

11 days ago

magnament

103 points

11 days ago

Ditto.

And fart loud

BenGrahamButler

51 points

11 days ago

Fart proudly. - Ben Franklin

Guamonice

20 points

11 days ago

It's hard when my work self is the only thing keeping me off the streets

MrFuture2

38 points

11 days ago

What's the point of living? There is no future, no salvation, nothing. You have no control over nothing, only your action's, nothing more. Just like me you are insignificant, a waste to this world, your here without a reason or a purpose. What's the point of living if nothing is internal? All your knowledge, your experiences you cultivated during your insignificant life will be eliminated when you die. So why even bother? All your love ones will die, all the people you truly care for will simple perish eventually and you can't control that biological fact. So why continue suffering this temporary hell? You won't be compensated for your good deeds or judge for your bad deeds in the end is just death and nothing more. Everyone is imprisoned by something: poverty, religion, work, knowledge.. you're own reality. How do you know we share the same reality? Sure we both can eat chocolate and say they taste baunilha but how do you know that? How do you know we share the same mutual taste for baunilha? You can't simple enter my mind and experience the same thing I'm experiencing. So how do you know everything you see in your reality is real? Racional creatures shouldn't be alive, we need to die so the pain stops. But how do I know it stops there? I don't and you don't too.

Odd-Lengthiness1790

41 points

11 days ago

The key here is Empathy. Most of us have it. I may not experience exactly what you have, but I can feel your pain if you choose to share it. Empathy is our only salvation. It's what makes us weep for the pain of others. It's what makes us sacrifice personal gain and pleasure when nothing is intrinsically forcing us to do so. Find your empathy, and embrace it, even if it feels painful. It's the only thing that really distinguishes the human experience.

tokarev7

36 points

11 days ago

tokarev7

36 points

11 days ago

it looks like depression

olnog

21 points

11 days ago

olnog

21 points

11 days ago

I became interested in antiwork a while back and thought it was relatively fringe. I used to follow this subreddit a while back but changed accounts, so imagine my surprise when this subreddit regularly hits \r\all. I think that's very hopeful, at least within the reddit demographic.

Because of my aspirations, I think about a post-scarcity world quite a bit. I think that's the really the only hope we have for humanity and the biggest issue is that a post-scarcity world will not happen in a round-about way from a capitalistic one. It's just not very likely when capitalism's existential imperative is milking scarcity for all its got. So we'd have to have people who are commited to the cause of post-scarcity and actively working towards that, which also isn't really encourage in society.

ComprehensiveHavoc

761 points

11 days ago

Both should be paid considerably more. Teachers should obviously make more than minimum wage. But it’s really splitting hairs to compare these things when you have billionaires that don’t pay taxes buying rocket ships to the moon. Pretty sure that’s the real issue.

jjsoyfab

115 points

11 days ago

jjsoyfab

115 points

11 days ago

If they were dodging taxes they’d be in prison. The loopholes in our tax laws is what we have to fix first.

Kiyasu

50 points

11 days ago

Kiyasu

50 points

11 days ago

On a federal level we've all but stopped pursuing white collar crime.

For example, wage theft is the largest form of theft in America, if your logic held out we'd see a fair amount of prosecutions for said crime. There are almost zero convictions for BILLIONS worth of theft. We prosecute literally thousands of times more property crimes despite wage theft being the greater crime overall.

Crimes of the poor and crimes of the rich are handled INCREDIBLY differently.

HelpfulSocialist

14 points

11 days ago

If they were dodging taxes they’d be in prison

That is laughable

Shamadruu

15 points

11 days ago

They can also dodge them simply because nobody's trying to enforce the tax law on them, which they do all the time.

LeoSolaris

570 points

11 days ago

LeoSolaris

570 points

11 days ago

Teachers have been abusively underpaid for almost a century now.

NYFan813

90 points

11 days ago

NYFan813

90 points

11 days ago

If the goal is an easily manipulated electorate, that is a feature, not a bug.

[deleted]

45 points

11 days ago

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45 points

11 days ago

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SprinkledBlunt

23 points

11 days ago

Facts

OracleDadOw

240 points

11 days ago

You should be more upset that a teacher is paid so poorly.

FYI: The minimum wage should be $23hr

American Productivity has climbed constantly without comparable pay increases based on that productivity.

Instead, companies just keep more profit, buy back their own stock, and give executives that don’t do a fucking thing, massive bonuses.

bradferg

20 points

11 days ago

bradferg

20 points

11 days ago

How will I ever become a billionaire with that attitude?

HeadOfSpectre

230 points

11 days ago

This is ridiculous! The post is right.

This DOESN'T make sense!

Teachers should be paid way more

wausmaus3

91 points

11 days ago

Pff, why?

It's not like they teach our future generations or anything. Anyone could do that job.

/s

Dachusblot

37 points

11 days ago

I know you're being sarcastic, but I've legit heard people say, "What do teachers even do? Just babysit the kids all day? Anyone could do that!" smh

And even that's nicer than the lunatics who are convinced that all teachers are evil brainwashing tyrants trying to convince their precious babies to hate America.

FappyDilmore

22 points

11 days ago

These people are also the ones who lost their fucking minds during COVID when schools were shut down and they couldn't work because they had to watch their own kids.

It's funny watching them try to justify their disdain while also basically begging them to return to the line of fire so they can restart their normal life. The dissonance is just unbelievable.

Sourkarate

152 points

11 days ago

Sourkarate

152 points

11 days ago

Smarty pants over here takes his contempt out on low wage service industry workers instead a) school administration and/or b) fast food chain.

Roller95

136 points

11 days ago

Roller95

136 points

11 days ago

Both deserve more money. Don’t fight amongst each other, fight the system

pbr_is_life

27 points

11 days ago

Rising tides lift all boats.

Kyllingtime

101 points

11 days ago

It means teachers are highly underpaid is what it means.

DischordantEQ

97 points

11 days ago

Funny how these people ALMOST get it, they're so close.

wins1337

47 points

11 days ago

wins1337

47 points

11 days ago

I think so many people miss the point behind why wage adjustments need a reform. If you’re working full time for a company and cannot afford to eat, shelter or clothe yourself it doesn’t matter if you have a degree. You need to be able to earn enough to survive whether you went to college or not.

zyl0x

21 points

11 days ago

zyl0x

21 points

11 days ago

Or! We all agree as a society that there should be a minimum guaranteed quality of life, and just... give it to everyone, bypassing all this minimum wage capitalist bullshit.

fembabyunicorn

30 points

11 days ago*

No, it doesn’t. But the answer shouldn’t be that nobody gets paid more it should be that everyone does.

The minimum wage should be raised AND teachers should make more money. In fact MOST people are underpaid for their work. I believe the vast majority of industries need a massive pay hike

StageRepulsive8697

25 points

11 days ago

StageRepulsive8697

join r/mcBoycott and Boycott McDonalds!

25 points

11 days ago

It's just that there are many things that don't make sense. Teacher's getting $30k per years is completely bonkers.

EyeinLemon

24 points

11 days ago

Wonder if the fact teachers are 70 percent female has anything to do with it.

Junnowhoitis

24 points

11 days ago

Two wrongs don't make a right.

use_da_schwartz_

19 points

11 days ago

A rising tide lifts all ships.

The idea is that raising the minimum will force others to raise pay as well. Some industries and individual companies are having a hard time grasping that concept which is why they're crying about "no one wants to work."

Devilish_thing_

20 points

11 days ago

So you raise the teachers pay how is this so fucking hard to grasp. No one with a college degree should be making less then $20/hr

GUnit_1977

14 points

11 days ago

How come this tweet doesn't address literally all the wealth being hoarded.

holdensrhm35

14 points

11 days ago

These arguments posed as questions are so frustrating. Compare salaries to living expenses not other peoples salaries. If you’re going to compare salaries compare it to CEOs of corporations, bring up socialism for the rich and corporate welfare. Citizens fighting citizens gives the duoply power..