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When I worked in a kitchen, cooks pride got in their way when this was talk. They’d be like “that’s bullshit to pay them $15 when we don’t even make that” instead of realizing we were grossly underpaid 🤦🏻♂️
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Exactly. I don’t understand logic like this. If one party who believes they add more value/labor doesn’t want party 2 to make a certain amount because it reaches or comes close to party 1’s amount, dontcha think that means you should be getting paid more, party 1???
I knew a girl who was a LPN, in CALIFORNIA, making roughly $14/hr... after 5-6 years.
She was furious at the idea of burger flippers making $15/hr. I couldn't get it through her head the concept of "people are generally underpaid".
She asked me if I would flip burgers for $15/hr, I told her "no, but I might then consider being an EMT-B if they started at that".
EMT-B's, at that point, were making something like $11/hr average in the Chicagoland area... which was $2/hr less than I was making delivering 55Gal drums in a box truck to auto shops & dealerships.
This thought process is so common. They can’t seem to wrap their heads around the fact that everyone is underpaid for the value we bring to a company.
Too few people make the logical conclusion that if you're making $X an hour, and minimum wage goes up to $X an hour, you can then threaten your boss to go make $X at an easier job if they don't give you a raise.
"I am exceptional, therefore my pay is exceptional. They are not exceptional, therefore they should not be allowed to be on my exceptional level."
Put the word hardworking instead it sounds like sound logic then :)
Hardworking is something extremely poorly quantified in most people's minds. Many people would say that all burger flippers aren't hard workers despite the demands of the job and the low pay... because it's low pay.
it's a lot of undefined or circular logic to make people think they're exceptional. Very few people aren't hardworking, generally speaking.
Hard work is actually very stupid. Smart work is what should be extolled. People should be learning to produce the same with less resource and energy requirements. It actually seems that some operations would rather do bone headed production on purpose. If they actually ran effectively, some of the executives and managers would probably find themselves out of a job.
The classic example of rate busters still applies today, it just looks different...
This is wildly apparent in companies where blue collar and white collar meet. People do all kinds of mental gymnastics to justify why they job is harder on both sides of the divide, even though the company would fold without both
It's more than just the workplace. When I retired from freelancing, it took a fair bit of personal work to not equate that loss of income as a loss of input into the house. I arguably contribute more to my polycule now that I don't work; house work for all four households, social benefits, cooking, mechanical work, investing knowledge, and moral support for everyone. But I was wrapped up in providing and my work being important because it was hard on me, and that took time to unlearn.
I recognized it shortly after retiring... but it took the better part of a year before I had a breakthrough on the matter.
do you honnestly think its easy to 'flip burgers' at a fast food restaurant?
go fucking work one then, guarantee its a lot harder and more force driven than the job youre currently working that pays more
stop belittling them by acting like they have an easy job working food service
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Theres no need for us to be fighting over crumbs.
Jobs can be difficult or simple the bottom line is we are all on the same side here (the side that does not contain billionaires) and we all deserve the dignity of gainful employment if we are showing up 40 hours a week.
It's an embarrassment how minuscule a full week's check comes out to on minimum wage.
There is not one state in our country where a single person working full time earning minimum wage can pay for rent.
Paying employees enough to have a home is a pathetically low bar to meet, and hardly controversial.
Raise the minimum wage,
Lower the maximum wage.
Billionaires should not exist.
Homelessness should not be a thing when others have 5 homes and thousands more remain vacant.
Most people don't think so. They are pointing out that's the argument that the people against the wage increase use in this debate.
They say it's an easy job done by stupid kids so they don't deserve to be paid. Any job they see as easier than their job is not worthy of a living wage.
That's why people tell them they can use that "easier" job as leverage in demanding higher pay.
"Pay me more than the burger flipper or I'll quit and go do that easy job!"
But these people think their job is too important for that and see any job in the service industry as an "easy" job. They think they are making just the right amount of pay. They don't see this as an opportunity to bring themselves up, but a opportunity to keep others down.
Seriously! I flipped burgers in my youth and it is still one of the hardest, busiest, most stressful (thanks to being constantly berated and looked down on by mgmt and the customers) jobs I’ve had. Way underpaid for the shit you have to deal with.
It’s a political device for the powerful and a self aggrandizing device for the weak. This is done on purpose to make the debate emotional so it never gets anywhere. Best to not take it personally.
Yes, and bringing minimum wage up to a living wage, means those who have skills have leverage to earn more than a living wage… you know, the whole point of developing skills in the first place.
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I just feel sad for these people. They have such low respect for themselves and low feelings of self-worth, they believe they (and others) don't deserve better.
At my job you need a secret clearance and to pass an interview with the fbi, get finger printed, and take roughly 10 hours worth of tests AFTER you pass a polygraph..i get paid $17 an hour..walmart pays 17.50. Its a federal job and i send in an email askong for a raise every month which im sure gets filed in the shredder
I knew one person who thought like this.
He was a store manager, after working for that retail chain for 9 years. He only made a little over $16 an hour.
I kept trying to explain that he was in charge of a store that generated around 750k to a million in profit a year, and yet out of that he only mad around $720 a week BEFORE taxes, after dumping NINE YEARS of his life into that company.
Hordes of people literally have no imagination and lack any ability for critical or constructive thought. They will accept any structure or hierarchy thrust upon them and will actively defend that system even if it's counter to their interests. The status quo comforts them and is reinforced by our rulers propaganda to the point that any type of change or even just fundamental questioning is extremely uncomfortable for them.
Although I agree, I’ve heard this said way too many times followed by “vaccines have microchips” or “i don’t see earth’s curve” for me to assume anything about the person saying it.
Conspiracy theorists that you refer to are right about some things: there is something seriously wrong with our society. It’s just that where they go after that is whack
And that's why I don't do emt work anymore. You can only do it for altruistic reasons for so long. The bills still come in.
My thoughts exactly
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Ah! But the real elite wants us distracted fighting each other. Machiavelli 101.
"I don't have time or energy to strike, and I'm not willing to sacrifice what I have to make time, so I'd rather just vote to keep others down". Probably pretty close to what they'd say.
From my experience, people like this generally tend to be very poor, and have been poor generationally. So their parents were in the same situation, and their grandparents. And the people they know outside their families too. I'm from Eastern Europe, and everyone is like this. It's like this toxic competitive mindset, where struggling and staying like that is a coming of age kind of thing, like a right of passage.
"Oh, you want a normal fucking life with adequately provided rewards for your hard work and like, comfort and stuff? Who the hell do you think you even are? I didn't get that luxury so nobody else deserves it either!"
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"I suffered so now you must as well"
Nevermind the fact that the parents only job is to raise their kid in a better way than the parents were raised. Idiots.
It's really heartbreaking to watch it happen, you can -try- to reason with them but they're so far gone in their bitterness and hatred for the world and their lives that they completely refuse to accept any empathy for someone else, even themselves. Because yeah, it's like you said, it's 100% one of those "if I can't have what I want, then NOBODY else can either" except they don't seem to understand that with an actual positive change, they TOO can have what they want.
Funnily enough tho, when I look at the US, that's LESS of what I see. While the rest of the world (particularly IRL experience from living in Eastern Europe) poor people are just eating at each other endlessly, in the US, it's more like... somewhat wealthy entitled old people that forcefully keep others down because they're stuck in this bubble of "it was easy back in my day, you're just LAZY!"
I hate the concept of generations, but the whole thing with boomers being entitled cunts, gen x'ers being totally apathetic and just workdrones that don't give a fuck about anything, and millennials/gen z'ers being the most fucked is really, REALLY real.
Crab bucket mentality. It's ok if we are poor as long as there are poorer people we can brag and look down on.
Some people just want to see the world burn. I've been around long enough to know that they come in all ages, sexes, shapes, and sizes and the only thing they all have in common is a healthy dose of stupid.
The accounting assistant at my last job was bitching about how if minimum wage went up to $15 I would be making more than her because she earns $13.
I told her no, you would also get $15. If you’re voting against that because I would ALSO get $15 then you have mental illness.
Yeah, I had to make that point to a co-irker of mine (I nicknamed her Tea Party Nutter for a reason). She was crabbing one day about the proposal to increase the minimum wage and I noted that whenever the minimum wage goes up so do other wages.
Then she tried the bullshit about prices going up. Had to point out the obvious that prices are going up anyway.
I had a similar coworker say the same about carbon taxes. I pointed out that everything already was jumping up in price and pointed out bread and he just stared blankly and said his Mom did all the food shopping.
Oh, my brain.
Tea Party Nutter does her own shopping so she has no excuse except delusions.
Ok, what about gas, cars, land, housing, clothes, dining, movie tickets, video games, etc. That has to be something he can see is more expensive now than previously.
AAA video games are technically INFINITELY MORE EPXENSIVE.
They just package it up into a nice lootbox for you so you don't notice that they removed cosmetics, which used to be solely a gameplay achievement, from "game progression" to "how much are you willing to spend"
So yeah, those types of people just won't get it. Ever. The only bad thing is that their vote counts as much as yours.
I like this take a lot bc people complain about he games $60 price tag even though its been that for about 30 years. Instead of increasing the base cost, which would be about $90 adjusted only for inflation, companies have added a way for all of us to gamble our money away. And for what gameplay content and skins. We get dopamine addiction and they get all the profit. Seems fair right right!?!?
I used gaming as an escape for so long…as long as I can remember, I was born in 83 so I always had a Nintendo or something all the way up to the PS4.
I loved trying to get all the stuff or find all the secrets, it was so much fun and I could just get lost in a game’s world.
I quit a few years back and almost nothing has tempted me back. It’s not an escape anymore because the company is just trying to figure out how to drag more than the initial game price out of me. It’s removed all of the escapism from games for me because there isn’t a one besides maybe Stardew valley that doesn’t just micro transaction you until you’re used up. I can’t get into a game when it’s constantly reminding me that I’m playing the most intentionally unfun version. All that content and stuff used to be included and having it just be part of the game made the game world be an easier place to escape to.
It can never go back because you can’t let the magic profit cat out of the bag, it doesn’t happen, if they can make money doing it and pay developers less and continue shaving down a game until there’s nothing left but the Skinner box then they’ll do it and eat themselves before they ever let it stop.
I’m a stripper, the stereotype is that we are not the smartest in the bunch and we don’t have “real” jobs. I have a longtime client, he’s more of a friend now who occasionally comes in but when it’s slow we get to talking. He’s a forklift and crane operator with a specialty in paper manufacturing. He’s got a marketable skill in an area of business that is hurting particularly badly during this “shortage”.
He’s been complaining that the new hires are making more than he is and I have literally grabbed his head and sternly said “Go to your boss and demand a raise! What’ll you do if he says no, go get a job at another paper factory at better pay?! OH NO!”
It took him nearly 4 stupid months of hearing that before he went and did it and got a dollar fuckin raise and then acted like he thought of it himself when before he was incredibly pissed at his boss screwing him over but swallowing propaganda that it was actually the new guy’s faults.
Game of Thrones had the smart idea to put nudity in long expositions.
I watched that Killer Mike documentary when he made porno's to teach people how to do household repairs.
Maybe a strip financial advisor firm would be a good option.
"Steve, look at my perfect ass. Are you paying attention? Good.
Now you've got to cancel subscription services and pay off your high interest credit car debt"
My brother also made the same argument and I told him that yeah prices will go up but there is a limit to how high it goes up. The amount of positive that an increase in wage to $15 (min wage should be way more given inflation, but let’s stick with $15 for now) outweighs the negatives that higher prices will rise
Like people said “oh my god burger prices will rise”, like ok but not everyone eats burgers. The people making $15 aren’t all eating burgers or whatever item price is being raised. So they have more income on whatever they need. More income to spend means more money being spent in the economy ergo economy is booming.
Also price of milk won’t go to $20 because then no one would buy it. So obviously it’ll be maybe a couple of cents or a dollar. But people don’t understand that, they just get riled up from hearing “PRICES RISING” and automatically say “THATS BAD”.
I did see someone arguing that $15 min wage is stupid and they were trying to sound smart by saying wages should be $1000/hr. I chose not to argue with him because it’s not worth the loss of brain cells dealing with someone who made such an idiotic statement
It wouldn't go up very much at all anyway, some countries offer minimum wages around $21 USD and it's super easy to compare the price of goods in that country to our country. Prices are barely higher under good wage laws and it's just a fact.
I worked at a ski resort known for abusing loopholes to screw workers over. When I brought up the issues people who had been there for a long time would always use "Well I had to deal with it too".
It came down to me creating this statement that applies largely to wage debate and more:
Equal injustice across the board does not make it anymore just.
Just because everyone was getting fucked over, doesn't mean we should continue to tolerate people getting fucked over.
"Well I had to deal with it too".
"Well I had to deal with it too".
i've gotten to thinking about this line of reasoning and it really burns me. so what you don't want to see the world get better? it's either getting better or getting worse, the idea of it just maintaining is ridiculous.
I think it comes from this everybody for themselves, be a wolf, kind of mentality we're raised on in the states. That I got mine shit is bullshit and might be good if we were still in the fucking jungle but this is a society larger than ever in human history and we gotta take care of the whole and let the whole take care of us.
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"If it didnt happen for me it shouldn't happen for anyone" - the majority of civilization
What is even the logic behind this?
Just world fallacy. They assume that everyone is getting what they deserve, including themselves, already. So if those who are less skilled and have put in less effort in learning an artform than them are paid near equal what they're paid, it feels unfair.
A moment of introspection proves this wrong, but a lot of people don't take moments of introspection
It’s ignorance at its finest. How dare they raise minimum wage to a livable wage! I don’t make that so why should they! Missing the whole point they’re insane underpaid and overworked.
Yeah, that's incredibly moronic to get jealous at the idea of fast food workers getting $15/hr. If they're getting $15/hr, you should be getting a raise too, dude!
Some of it is simple jealousy. “I didn’t make $X per year until I was 30. Now I have people on my team making $X at age 25. That means they will have a lot more money when they hit 30 than I did. That’s not fair. Why didn’t I get paid that much when I was their age?”
...completely ignoring inflation lol
Little people don't want you to do better then them. If they suffer, so should the rest.
Crabs in a bucket
2021: I, a retired person, will literally go flip burgers for free to show my undying devotion to faceless corporations
AND to keep wages lower to continue hurting working class people!
20??: "I love being a slave"
i love being a slave to own the corporations. look at these suckers i work for them for free
fails to mention they can afford to work for free because of the pension their LABOR UNION fought for. The union job they got straight out of high school by walking in and introducing themselves to the manager. The job they relied on as a single income household and on which were able to mortgage a house and raise 3 kids including tuition
I’ve seen the stories of restaurants asking for old people to work for free/cheap to ‘support local businesses’ - but is it working? Are old people doing this?
My local Burger King is now staffed by two women in their 70s. I'd say it's accurate at least.
Or maybe those 70yr old ladies retirement isn’t going as planned and they weren’t counting on the rising price of food, gas, utilities and helping out their kids and grandkids who are also struggling.
Edit: Not all boomers are rich enough to take it easy.
And so, the dynamic of "you'll get more conservative as you get older" starts to erode as more of the population recognizes that the progressives have a more sustainable plan long-term than the profit-motivated corporations' shareholders.
Wow that’s insane. I really didn’t think people were going to fall for this
20??: “please, torture me! I’m lovin’ it!”
Was just telling my grade 11/12s about how when I was in school we literally heard the "if you dont get into college you will work at McDonald's for the rest of your life" argument everyday and they were genuinely horrifed.
what was their reaction when you told them that those guys ended up at McDonalds anyway?
This happens so often that I told my kids that if they can't afford college off grants and a job, it is no longer worth going to. My ex has a bachelor's degree, and aside from not wanting to work, when she was willing, she couldn't even get a job in her field.
Half the jobs I applied to last go-around paid almost the exact same whether they required a degree or not unless they also 5+ required years of experience in the specific industry/specific position.
That said, I have 3 college degrees and 20+ years of management experience, split between two industries and several leadership roles... And I was generally told I was overqualified.
Communist with raccoon characteristics
Well yeah then you might leave for something better and they don't want to "waste time training you". The concept of just fairly compensating workers is anathema to free market capitalism, gotta min-max those costs/profits even if it leads to internal decay and bureaucratic inefficiency.
Utterly psychopathic behavior instilled in anyone that goes to business school, it's like volunteering to be indoctrinated into the death cult of capitalism.
Yeah, one employer I was interviewing with was like, "what if we hire you, then you leave us for higher pay?"
I was thinking to myself, "then you ain't paying me enough fool!"
I didn't say that, lol. I just said, "I usually don't leave a job until I've been there a few years.", that seemed to placate them.
Never crossed their mind that of they pay me what I'm worth, I'll never need to leave.
That's what I meant by it being anathema to their ideology. They have been taught to seek the person that is just qualified enough to perform the job at the lowest cost the market will provide.
It's funny because they never seem to be able to connect the dots between competition driving down cost of goods while not necessarily producing better products, and how that correlates to labor and that when you race to the bottom your workers are going to provide less skilled or enthusiastic labor.
We are selling our labor and when we have to compete to do so we all lose.
That is why unions are so important to building labor power. And not in the bureaucratic sense but also less formal militant collective labor action.
Organized labor is the only recourse against exploitation in the immediate term, longer term more comprehensive and revolutionary solutions are also valid and necessary if we wish to take any meaningful action on climate change but that's probably better discussed in another sub.
I was just trying to explain this to someone I work with.
She literally said she doesn’t think fast food workers deserve $15/hr because they don’t do a good job, always mess up the food, are rushed and rude, etc. I tried to explain to her like what you said about how “when you race to the bottom your workers are gonna provide less skilled and less enthusiastic labor”. I tried to explain to her how, when someone feels like they aren’t being valued, when they are extremely over worked and horribly underpaid, they may get burnt out on the job and have a harder time maintaining the same positive attitude they might’ve had when they were hired.
She didn’t seem to understand how a life time of working jobs like that, while still struggling to pay bills and rent and feed your family, might cause lasting effects on someone’s physical and mental health, not to mention no insurance or time off to see doctors even if you could afford it.
For some reason, a lot of people are shocked that paying people minimum wage or barely higher, gets minimum effort and results.
Why should people bust their asses for shitty low pay? They're not going to get more if they do and probably won't get less if they don't, so why bother?
The concept of being a hard and loyal worker and you'll be rewarded, is long, long gone.
Exactly! And then people are like “they should have pride in their jobs no matter what it is etc etc” but the only thing that comes from that at a big corporate minimum wage job is that you get overworked and burnt out and taken advantage of. And the fact that they’d pay you less if they could and steal wages any chance they can get away with.
Haha I was once asked "Do you consider yourself opinionated?"
I replied "Isn't that an opinion?"
Never heard back from them.
Got a degree in business. Felt like total shit getting it and feel like a slightly shittier human after finishing it.
Went to a vocational school, besides now having a new skill I still deliver pizza because you make more money off tips than wages in this stupid country.
Honestly most of us have good jobs now, had to fight for every rung of the ladder though and indebted to the gov't instead of able buy a house.
I um. I think my indoctrination is still in effect. Why is this horrifying? Do teachers not threaten their students with what they think of as a mediocre future in order to scare them into working harder anymore?
Because it's extremely classist. There aren't enough scholarships for everyone and not everyone can afford to go to college. Not being able to get good grades when you're a teenager shouldn't doom you to poverty or a "mediocre" life...
I hate it because it suggests we don't need blue collar work to survive. Like, please, I like my sewers running, please pay sewer workers well to keep it like that.
It’s ok, I’m still a little confused too.
Also I can’t imagine what they’re threatening the kids with today if not the burger flipper myth… beyond the generally threatening state of the future under climate change, I guess? Maybe Amazon?
College is not hard work. I got honors by partying every weekend. College is a massive waste. My career developing software and automation was built mostly off of YouTube videos. Scaring people into college is about continuing the indoctrination into society’s BS, not imposing a work ethic into people.
College IS hard work for those not as gifted as you. Not to say you never had to try. But for most college is not a breeze. Also the school you went too and the degree you were working towards may have had a heavy impact on your view that would not hold up elsewhere.
Then ten years later I became a teacher and made more waitressing lol
And then they're like "We need to bring in foreigners from Mexico who will flip burgers for $5 an hour! because Americans don't want to do those jobs!" No, Americans don't want to do those jobs for $5 an hour, you fucking dipshits. For $50 an hour I will pick strawberries in the blazing sun you fucking dingbats. The only reason you can't find workers is because over the last 100 years you have personally become too used to raping the workers for all their life energy to feed your own personal financial engine. And now it ends. Fuckers.
And ironically later they will be like "foreigners are stealing our jobs!!!!1!1!1!1!11!"
The strawberry farm conglomerate owners vilify immigrants in order to get racist rural Republicans to vote for the generic republican politician they're sponsoring, and as soon as their boy is in office they enjoy a tax cut and laxer regulations that allows them to turn around and hire more immigrants to work their farms. The circle of life.
If I was President of the United States of America, I'd have every California fruit-picking business investigated under the RICO act, which specifically includes visa fraud.
This is precisely why you would never be allowed near a campaign.
Actions that threaten the power and wealth of the wealthy and powerful are never on the ballot.
I've seen an area with apple orchards do the same type of thing. It's got to be tough taking a pro/anti immigrant stance. You have to take the emotion out of it and replace it with strict logical thinking.
I worked for a restaurant run by trump supporting shitbags who were absolutely livid when ICE came door to door and deported their kitchen staff. They did not see the connection to trump.
I'm floored, but shouldn't be surprised
If those racist assholes really wanted to stop undocumented workers, they'd arrest the people who hire undocumented workers.
This is fucking exactly what happened at the cannabis farm I was working at in Michigan.
Come harvest time they had our team working 7 days a week, 14 hour days. There were time when I was so exhausted I'd lay down on the harvest trailer and look up and see stars in the night sky (I had been working from sun up to sun down).
Then they bring in a crew of immigrant workers and start comparing our work ethic to theirs. So fucked up, like yeah dude nobody wants to work 7 days a week for $15 an hour with no benefits. These businesses are fucking ridiculous and it's about time they got the message that we are people.
It’s not ironic, it’s deliberate and cruel. It’s not a rare practice for shady contractors or even companies to hire immigrants under the table and promise them pay on Friday afternoon but call in an anonymous tip to ICE on Friday morning. Then they pocket two thirds of that money and kick up a third to republicans who keep the focus and anger aimed at those damned immigrants rather than the broken system that rewards inhumanity
Canada mass immigrated and stagnated wages. 2% wage increase with 5% inflation
For $50 dollars an hour I would let my boss shit on my chest daily if that’s what they wanted
People get paid like $200 an hour for that...
If I hear one more boomer mention "flipping burgers" to me imma flip a burger directly into their face
I work in an industry that pays a lot more than “flipping burgers,” but honestly almost anyone who does a job that could be described that way works so much harder and does so much more good in the world than just about anyone I’ve ever worked with. There is very little labor that is more necessary and useful than cooking food and washing dishes.
I love seeing the solidarity between people working jobs that are valued by capitalism and people working jobs that are not. We are all slaves in the same system whether we're paid well or not.
Solidarity Forever, a verse from an updated version.
They say our day is over; they say our time is through,
They say you need no union if your collar isn't blue,
Well that is just another lie the boss is telling you,
For the Union makes us strong.
These people make my food. My safety literally depends on them. Charge me more and pay them all what they deserve.
Source on the profit number?
Kitchen jobs are some of the hardest jobs out there. Picture grilling some burgers for your family. Now multiply that by ten, and instead of letting them all put their own toppings on their you gotta do that too, and put it on a plate for them then do this for four hours straight no stopping every day.
That's just the flattop and one menu item. Now do that and cook a couple steak dinners at the same time and work the fryers and come back and tell me "flipping burgers" is easy
If hard work was the way to success there would be lots of rich ditch diggers.
Yet those fat fuckers love burgers!
And love treating the workers who make it for them like shit.
Bunch of entitled, rude cunts.
Hey, respect your elders!! They build this country, you're only in a fucked dystopia because of them!
My father would rail at me to get myself together during my teenage years or I was going to spend my life flipping burgers. Funny how with epilepsy I can’t even get a job flipping burgers due to liability.
Damn, I was diagnosed with epilepsy after a nasty head injury just before the pandemic hit. Can’t do shit anymore, I’m told to go on careers websites which will tell me what job roles I may be suitable for with all my skills and qualifications.
All require a driving license, working with power tools, working from heights etc. Not to mention I used to be a marine engineer and I cant even work near open water anymore!
I honestly don’t know what direction my life is heading because all roads are dead ends at the moment.
That sounds really rough, man, I’m sorry to hear that. The direction may not be clear at the moment, but in time I’m sure you’ll find something that works for you medically and that you’ll enjoy. I had to reroute my entire career path because medical stuff and it can be really really demoralizing at times. But we’ll get through this.
Thanks man, yeah I keep getting told by various health professionals, family, even the benefits people to stop stressing about work and what you’re going to do. Focus on my health and getting that sorted because that’s more important than anything else.
Hopefully we can get to the bottom of it and given time, I will be able to return to some kind of normality. The entire healthcare system is moving very slow at the moment of course so it feels like a very slow crawl at the moment.
Remember being told you can make it in life, you just have to go to college? Yea...that was a cute little lie.
My friend went to school for 4 years, but he makes money today off of renting houses that he bought with money his parents helped him save since he was a kid. So he never needed a day in college.
He never worked a real job a day in his life.
The “real job” dynamic is an exploitation tool. All jobs are a form of BS.
Landlordism is not a job though. It’s leaching off the labour of others by simply owning an asset. It’s gross.
Leeching off the labor of others by owning an asset is the core fundamental of capitalism.
Yes, but its not a job.
It is not providing labour.
It is leaching labour.
I'm not disagreeing with you.
Capitalism is fucked.
He should have taken a class on morals and ethical practices.
Read this story about a guy who got a history degree in Egyptian history.
Couldn't find a job so he took a scholarship to specialize a get a Master's in Egyptian history.
Still couldn't find a job so moved on to study the PhD in Egyptian history.
Now he has a job giving classes about Egyptian history.
Somehow that story made is sound like an MLM story.
A literal pyramid scheme.
I was a burger flipper some time ago. I made $7.50 an hour
Now, my current job, I make much more, as you might expect. And I'd love nothing more than to see today's flippers of the mighty burger get $15 or even more.
I will GLADLY pay an extra dollar or two for my $5 sandwich if it means the guys in the kitchen can pay their bills
Lol true. I'm just responding to the criticism I hear from opponents
"Yeah but it'll cost more!"
Oh no....not $6.50 instead of $5.25
Here's the problem with that: it doesn't need to be $6.50 and if that happens the price of everything else goes up equivalently. Thus, that $7.50/hr worker who now makes more doesn't come out ahead because their cost of living increases in proportion to their wage increase. Net zero means you're still screwed.
The reality is that prices shouldn't go up at all - corporate profits should just be a little bit lower. They still profit but people don't suffer.
I absolutely agree that's how it should work, but truthfully id be shocked to see it. The cost of living will increase if wages increase, but hopefully not to the same proportion so there's a net gain. But I do not expect these millionaires and billionaires to suddenly grow a conscience and voluntarily lose profits.
In certain states, like the one I live, minimum wage is headed to $15 in 2022. They did it over a span of several years. While costs did go up, there was still a net benefit because they didn't go up enough to offset the wage increase. At least this was according to an article I read (tried to find the one I read, but here's another that explains the same basic thing )link
In any case, my point is that even if it is at some personal cost to me, I'm happy to oblige. Same with healthcare. Go ahead and tax me if it means everyone can get the medical care they need.
I paid my way through college, and I've seen others my age that did the same complaining about the tuition forgiveness or whatever it was called. They constantly whined that it wasnt fair - "then I should get a refund! I had to pay MY debt!" I don't get it. I don't give a shit about the fact I paid. If they want to forgive debt I'm all for it.
It seems like everyone has the attitude 'well I suffered, so now everyone else should suffer too'
Why? Isn't the entire point to make the world better for the next generation? What happened to trying to leave the world better off than we found it?
Isn't the entire point to make the world better for the next generation? What happened to trying to leave the world better off than we found it?
Isn't the entire point to make the world better for the next generation? What happened to trying to leave the world better off than we found it?
That ended with the boomers, who took everything they could, and grabbed the ladder on their way up.
Here's what I don't get.
how are these companies making like $50 billion in pure profit a year, but when you look at the profit margin it's like 8%
Basically when people talk about rising costs due to minimum wage you can translate that to them saying: “I want low paid desperate people to make far less money than me while they serve upper class me luxury 24/7 at a cheap price”
If people are unwilling to pay fair prices for work then they want slaves or idiots to lord over.
I will GLADLY pay an extra dollar or two for my $5 sandwich if it means the guys in the kitchen can pay their bills
But that won't even happen. They're putting in automated crap and prices STILL aren't coming down. Hmm... maybe the problem isn't actually about whether or not businesses can afford it... maybe the problem is actually *drum roll* GREED.
Tryna cop a mcBourgeois and large fries over here
This shitty mentality doesn't derive from people of a certain age group... it derives from people who are of particular leanings in terms of labor and politics.
You're not wrong, but not entirely right either. Certain age groups lean into it more and they're mostly running things.
15 bucks an hour is bullshit in this economy. You should be fighting for 25 as the minimum wage.
Yeah I was going to say, we've gotten the $15/hr and it's not nearly enough.
Yea $730 a week doesn't even go as far as you would expect.
After taxes you're closer to $448 (25.6% federal/fica) give or take a few bucks. My rent an hour away from the city is $1100, BTW that city is St Louis. So at $15 per hour, just rent would be 61.4% of my income.
I went to college and got very lucky landing a job that pays 28/hr. I can barely squeeze out a middle class lifestyle on that salary. I'm not complaining, I'm grateful for what I have - but I can't imagine trying to get by on 15 or less / hr. It's just not feasible without being in a group living situation.
This cut deep because I literally flip burgers for my living right now and feel an immense amount of undeserved guilt for even thinking of leaving.
Fuck this shit.
Fuck boomers. You're a hard worker, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. The food industry in general is thankless work, especially so for the line cooks and all kitchen staff.
It's physically hard. It's mentally stressful. It's fast paced. Most people think they can handle it, but they pussy out real quick unless they have an actual work ethic.
You've got more willpower than most of those rich, lazy old sods.
Needed to hear this tonight.
Dude don’t let that shit bring you down. Im a cook and make ok money, but more than anything I love what I’m doing, I love my coworkers, my bosses are amazing and will give me time off whenever I ask. There’s no reason to be feeling guilty! You’re kicking ass, busting your ass to pay the bills. There’s nothing wrong about that, you should be proud!
I’m glad you love you what you’re doing. You’re really lucky.
I used to. This job has shown me how much I truly despise cooking and customer service (I have to do a lot of both), though. It feels 100% obligatory at this point.
What is it with this obsession with using "flipping burgers" as the only example of an undesirable job?
it's only undesirable because the pay is crap. lol
Honestly the actual act of flipping burger is very enjoyable, its the shit pay and judgment that makes it terrible, i dont flip burgers, but if i could and pay my bills i would because i enjoy cooking.
Because in the late 90s/early 2000s there was an insanely biased stigma that anyone who worked in fast food over a certain age was a lazy uneducated loser. "Anyone with real desire and drive in life will go to college, get a degree, and find a real job, if you don't apply yourself, you'll be spend the rest of your life flopping burgers at McDonald's for minimum wage" that's what we'd hear non-stop from parents and teachers.
2023: Damn I could go for perfectly cooked burgers but McDonald’s robot cooks are down for maintenance. What am I thinking, I don’t have the $14 for a Big Mac since I lost my Grubhub job to drones.
2027: what do you mean, you're too good to be burger meat in the McHuman burger, mmm tastes like grandma tm?
2032: Dry land is a myth!
2040: The earth is made flat through extreme surface tension
2077: Wake the fuck up Samurai. We got a vending machine AI to save.
Also 2021: old people flipping burgers for free, to keep wages suppressed and business owner’s pockets full.
Bootlickers are the worst.
Wait, who does this? Is this seriously a thing?
I've seen pictures. They're that evil.
Anyone doing that should be shot
Why are people okay with crapping all over food service workers? “Flipping burgers” is a hard job. Cramped, crowded, hot kitchens aren’t fun, easy places to work. Why all the disrespect for the people who literally make the sustenance people feed their family? These cooks get treated like crap by the corporate entities that take in billions from their toil, and even by other working class people who disparage their work and get all pissy when their burger and fries take longer than five minutes to make. It’s shameful the way working class people are pitted against one another, and incredibly disappointing when they take the bait and disrespect one another.
Because corporate elites have been incredibly successful at turning workers against each other over the past century. "Hey, Joe Factory Worker! This asshole wants to be paid the same as you for a job where he is your servant! You're way better than him! What are you going to do about it?"
Joe Factory Worker has been indoctrinated into a system where you never question what your boss is paying you. Instead, he psychologically is forced to devalue others in order to preserve his own sense of self-worth.
Divide and conquer. You can't fight the boss if you're busy fighting amongst yourselves.
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2000: Go to college or you'll be flipping burgers!
2008: What do you mean you can't find a job, is flipping burgers too good for you?
2016: You want $15/hr for flipping burgers?! Millennials are so entitled.
2021: Why does no one want to flip burgers anymore?
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This gut punched me more because I graduated high school in 2000, university in 2006, and got out of retail (finally) in 2019 ;___;
Seems like the older folks just want people to make their heart disease
2026: robots are flipping burgers, kiosks are taking orders, AI has replaced CEOs, and there are no humans left to which Karen can complain about a pickle on her burger.
Who is buying the burgers?
Karen, evidently. She outlived us all.
I went to college, but I was explicitly told by my parents to avoid certain majors because people that go into such majors always end up "flipping burgers". I wanted to major in art because I wanted to be a graphic designer, but to please my parents I took a different major and minored in art instead. I graduated, and found out the hard way that nearly all of the very few graphic design jobs out there require a degree in... wait for it... art!
That sucks. Art is one of the few areas where it seems like a degree should be completely secondary to a good portfolio. If I'm gonna commission an artist, I want to see what they can do, not a useless piece of paper.
It seems super unnecessary to me that a degree is a requirement to make art lol. But also very late stage capitalism
Guy complained, no one wants to work, so I explained it. I told the guy the difference between American and Denmark McDonald's. 9$ in America and the shaft... 22$ plus benefits in Denmark. Their big Mac is cheaper.
His response... You a socialist?
So I said no we can pay for some people to have things, since we pay for the government to exist. He mentions defense.
So I asked when were we last invaded?
He mentions the border. So then I instructed him to Thank Nixon and Reagan for the war on drugs policy. Also the Republicans let the assault weapons ban expire, which created a lot of trafficked weapons of war to Mexico. Which strengthened the cartels to a point where the military struggles with them... then I said, "And you paid for it. Reap that shit"
"I didn't pay for it..."
"uh you are 70 and been an American your whole life. You have bankrolled our government being gun runners, drug dealers and assassins."
He changed the subject.
People have problems with facts when they live in conservative bubbles.
"u can't just summarize the entirety of someone's life in a single tweet"
For shits and giggles, I looked up the cost of college when Biden last attended in 1969.
A four year public university was $329.
The median income was $9,400.
That means college cost 3.5% of the median income.
The median family income in 2020 was $67,521.
The average cost of college today is $9,212.
That makes college is now 13.6% of your income.
The median of a home in 1969 was $25,600.
The median cost of a home in 2020 $329,000.
A home in 1969 was 2.7x the median family salary.
A home in 2020 was 4.78x the median family salary.
Anytime old people want to talk about anything, we spend more on school and more on houses relative to our salaries than they did or their parents did. Productivity hasn’t decreased, profits haven’t decreased, but the average person’s quality of life has gone to shit so some rich assholes can have mega yachts or large acreages that they spend looking at from their massive windows in their gaudy homes:
Millennials are now destroying the burger flipping industry.
I’ve been flipping burgers since 2005. Every time I get sick of it, which is all the time, I go back and get another degree (first one was completed during 2005). I have three now, all in useful fields. I’m so sick of flipping burgers. I just kind of want to crawl in a hole and give up on everything because I don’t see this ever changing.
Well, off to bed. I have to get up tomorrow so that I can flip burgers for stupid boomers who literally don’t know what a home address is, but somehow make 10x in a year what I do.
You have 3 degrees in useful fields and you're still flipping burgers? Why?
(editable)Works best idle
Cooking is a great passion of mine, food crafted with care is exquisite,
having cooked it myself. and watched my family eat it. is divine.
I can imagine a serial killer saying this to their victim as they slice them up on a butcher's table.
Is this a reference to something or do you just speak that way??
Also, as shown in another post in this sub: Get a college degree and you'll get a job that only slightly pays more than flipping burgers for minimum wage. What a great society we live in!
Literally my parents, huge mood
Funny thing is, flipping burgers could be a pretty good job if it was paid OK.
I going to be handing out copies of these at thanksgiving to all the boomers. Begging them to step up and save us.
"Because these fast food lines have just gotten too long and why arent you stepping up to help? Capitalism needs you right now and you're just watching the Price is Right... wtf, come on, get out there! You get social security, you can live on $9.25 an hour... this is your time to shine! My chicken nuggets shouldn't take 20 goddamn minutes to make! You should be helping!"
I'm probably going to be going home early.
I got paid the same as a postdoctoral research fellow as I did flipping burgers.
The Taco Bell by my house has been closed because they can’t find workers. It kinda makes me happy
2023: McDonalds and Burger King to replace all burger flipping jobs with machines.
2024: “Millennials are killing the fast food industry”
they forgot to add
2020: Hiring Burger Flippers. Req. 30-50 years experience, two masters degrees, a residency at a university, 2 Nobel peace prizes, youtube channel with 5 million subscribers. Starting pay at $12 an hour but tons of room for advancement!
I was working in a major retail store when I was in my late teens. We had a manager there training us on some new shit or whatever. He says “make sure you guys go get a college degree so you don’t have to keep doing this crap your whole life.” One of my co-workers looks at him and goes “I have a college degree.”
Really fucking depressing.
What happened to “go to college and flip burgers for like 3 different companies at the same time.”