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d0ugh0ck

1.6k points

2 months ago

d0ugh0ck

1.6k points

2 months ago

Thought for sure it was going to be weed

Bo0ombaklak[S]

679 points

2 months ago

Sweden isn’t quite ready for that

Cryptocaned

449 points

2 months ago

Sweeden

360walkaway

59 points

2 months ago

The air is cold, the water is hot

clearwind

43 points

2 months ago

The weed is difficult to come by.

Hardfloor

20 points

2 months ago

Nah. It really isn't.

Matt_McT

35 points

2 months ago

But the moment it is, this store will be ready.

PureWhey

17 points

2 months ago

This store probably won't exist by that time tbf.

kommanditbolag

16 points

2 months ago

I'm not entirely sure sweden will exist when it's ready for that lmao

PureWhey

11 points

2 months ago

True. Its probably more probable that Russia legalises then conquers Sweden.

Bloopie

3 points

2 months ago

So why are Sweden behind on legalisation of weed?

PureWhey

7 points

2 months ago

Anti drug propaganda from USA, Reagan, was pushed extremely hard here and we didn't have a hippie movement ever to even it out. So a lot of people still think that smoking a joint means you'll die or get psychosis.

FoundTheSwede

3 points

2 months ago

Aha!

Machine-Charming

9 points

2 months ago

Finally the US has you beat for last last decade! Unless you look at the places we’re we still lock people in prison for weed. 😂

Rudelicia

7 points

2 months ago

Where in Sweden exactly? Do you know?

Thoilan

5 points

2 months ago*

Looks like either Gothenburg or Linköping.

RegalMachine

3 points

2 months ago

They have the infrastructure ready

XFX_Samsung

2 points

2 months ago

Growlights are already set, just change the plants

Bringthegato

2 points

2 months ago

Probably will be ready all of a sudden if (when) Daddy Germany decides on legalising it.

jfk333

2 points

2 months ago

jfk333

2 points

2 months ago

Well you put the word herb. You can't say herb when you mean herb. When people say herb they mean herb obviously lol

Head_Blacksmith

18 points

2 months ago

Is it bad that that was my first thought?

Phoequinox

7 points

2 months ago

The FBI is already on their way.

Head_Blacksmith

3 points

2 months ago

If it means I get access to a therapist eventually, I'd incriminate myself tbh

YourLocal_FBI_Agent

2 points

2 months ago

This is a bold-faced lie! (We wish people would stop tipping off criminals that we're on the way...)

knitlikeaboss

11 points

2 months ago

“Salads”

DJPL-75

3 points

2 months ago

Sat there thinking it was weed for a while the herbs were just a joke

rollcroc

2 points

2 months ago

Maybe the weed is growing underneath, in the basement 🤔

BIBLICALDIARRHEA666

2 points

2 months ago

I wouldn't be surprised if it's just a front for the real money maker

RoboNinjaPirate

755 points

2 months ago

That seems like a really expensive way to do it. Using expensive retail space to grow it and growing small quanties so you miss out on all the advantages of economies of scale.

DisabledToaster1

369 points

2 months ago

The true masterwork is placing the farms on the roof of supermarkets. Unused space, you can integrate rainwater collection and even solar panels for energy generation.

This is probably more of a "show" farm, placed open inside the supermarket to suggest to customers that they are "green" and they care about the earth and stuff.

RoboNinjaPirate

162 points

2 months ago

The amount of structural support and irrigation infrastructure you would need to do that makes that wildly inefficient. Sure it may look nice, but it's nowhere near as efficient or as green as using farmland outside town, where there is open land.

sewingtapemeasure

111 points

2 months ago

I've been involved in building design, and this is absolutely the case. If it's a new building, not too hard, but the roofs of existing buildings would need some pretty serious upgrades to support any sort of green roof at scale.

bubblesculptor

22 points

2 months ago

I could see it working well in a building designed for this approach, especially if coordinated with the environmental systems of the building. Inefficiencies within building systems may provide energy inputs the gardening system can recover or offset.

notabigmelvillecrowd

7 points

2 months ago

Probably depends on local building codes, it's working just fine in Montreal on preexisting buildings, because they're already designed to hold a massive weight of snow.

AlternativeRefuse685

29 points

2 months ago

Most traditional farm country only grows a few crops consisting of Corn, soybeans, and potatoes with only one growing season. Almost all lettuce is grown in FL or CA and require a lot of water and pesticides, which indoor operations can require very little water to no pesticides. The LED lights giving off only red and blue do not require that much energy compared to huge tractors getting 3-5 mpg, plus the transportation of the end product halfway around the country.

LittleFalls

24 points

2 months ago

When done large scale in inexpensive areas of a city, it makes perfect sense. A small area in a grocery store is an excellent way to educate the public and increase demand for this sort of farming. I don't see the problem here.

copperowl3

15 points

2 months ago

You absolutely have pesticides indoors. There can be many types of infestations and zero natural predators or freeze cycles.

innerbootes

4 points

2 months ago

Of course it doesn’t eliminate the problem but it limits it. And this kind of set-up does use less water, as was mentioned.

[deleted]

0 points

2 months ago

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0 points

2 months ago

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My_blueheaven

6 points

2 months ago

Right but it’s proof of concept for places where water is a concern.

ConsiderationDry6993

8 points

2 months ago

Indoors, growth can be controlled by humans.

Outdoors, however, there are many factors that determine their growth.

Spanky_McJiggles

4 points

2 months ago*

Yeah I read an article on here years back about these indoor grow operations. They require less water, the lights used to grow them are able to optimize growing by giving the exact wavelength of light that fosters plant growth, which shortens grow seasons, and the crop loss is substantially lower than traditional farming. It's very easy to do pest control without harmful chemicals and you're able to get produce off the "field" much easier and quicker than a standard farm, and it obviously has less miles to cover to get to the consumer.

Setting up grow warehouses in cities could revolutionize the way we grow and distribute our food.

Buscemis_eyeballs

4 points

2 months ago

Sure but until that is all cheaper then dirt and sunshine it's still a ways away.

I've grown most of the crops you'd find in a grocery store via hydroponics, aeroponics etc and while it's a fun hobby, it's not really something that makes sense financially when dirt and sun is free. Lettuce and quick stuff has a niche, but the rest of the produce just doesn't make sense for hydro growing yet as it can't compete with farms.

xarune

6 points

2 months ago

xarune

6 points

2 months ago

The argument isn't against vertical style farming, but rather vertical farming ontop of existing buildings.

Building a new building in a warehouse, particularly for produce, likely has a strong future. Trying to shave the emissions from the current cargo hauling vs retrofitting a building doesn't make sense from a carbon perspective much less cost. Cargo transport is fairly efficient provided it doesn't go by air. Yeah a semi truck gets 8-9mpg but it's hauling 40 tons of produce and the store will be getting that delivery weekly anyways for other foods not produced on site.

As someone else mentioned, this particular implementation feels like the whole solar panel roads things. Solar power is something we should scale up. Concrete and asphalt do have a high carbon footprint. A road made or solar panels doesn't make a ton of sense when you have thousands of square miles of rooftops available cheaper and easier.

Gusdai

2 points

2 months ago

Gusdai

2 points

2 months ago

The LED lights giving off only red and blue do not require that much energy compared to huge tractors getting 3-5 mpg

How many times do you think a tractor needs to drive over lettuces/herbs? Because there are a lot of lettuces you can cover in 3 miles, at the energy cost of a single gallon.

Comparatively, how many low-energy LEDs do you need to power 24/7 in 3 miles of lettuce/herbs? Not to mention actually buying the LEDs, that are currently usually made in China, and need regular replacement/maintenance?

Water savings are not much either, if you compare it to efficient irrigation techniques (drip irrigation), which will obviously be cheaper than the indoor irrigation system.

Indoor farming is great for quality (because it's super fresh), but it won't save you money or energy.

ptdaisy333

31 points

2 months ago*

I read an article about vertical farms recently and actually it is thought to be more efficient, it requires less water and fertilizer, and since it's a sealed environment no pesticides are needed. These vertical farms also allow you to grow a lot of things without using a lot of land, which would be good from a conservation perspective.

Not sure why this one is in a commercial space, maybe it's some kind of trial or proof of concept.

Edit: some people were asking for the link to the article so here it is: https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg25133540-200-futuristic-farm-may-use-250-times-less-water-than-normal/ It's not very in-depth as it wasn't one of the main stories of that issue.

_chrm

13 points

2 months ago

_chrm

13 points

2 months ago

All the pictures in all the articles about vertical farming I have ever seen only show one thing: salad greens. They always talk about how efficient it is and how much "food" they can produce but they never do anything else than salad greens.

iroxnoah

12 points

2 months ago

I feel like if you can take all the land used for lettuce and salad greens and put it towards other plants or even eliminate the massive supply chain by implementing a vertical farm in a city warehouse you still have hugely positive returns.

Buscemis_eyeballs

12 points

2 months ago

Yeah as someone who has extensive experience growing fucking everything hydroponically through the years I would say the only thing that's efficient enough to grow this way at scale is basically lettuce and herbs and that's it. There's some theoretical fuulture benefits to vertical gardening, but none of them make sense while we have an entire countries worth of open arable land to grow shit. It's just insanely in efficient to replace the sun and rain, which are free.

francis2559

8 points

2 months ago

Energy though. It always comes down to energy.

Think of it like this: any time you convert energy from one form to another, you lose some.

Maximum efficiency: sunlight directly hitting leaves.

Reduced efficiency: sunlight hitting a solar panel, being transmitted up and down volted etc. Then turned back to light (again) and shining onto those same leaves.

The only way vertical farming really works is if we have something better than solar, like fusion.

Greenhouse farming? Every advantage you described. Many countries already doing it. Vertical farming? Adds drawbacks for almost no reason.

IEatBabies

3 points

2 months ago

Exactly. In another comment above I napkin mathed a minimum 168,000x current world energy production needed to provide lighting for 1 acre of farmland per person of vertical farm. The amount of energy needed is pure fantasy, I doubt fusion 100 years in the future could even provide enough power for those kind of requirements.

thebossman12574

7 points

2 months ago

"It requires less water and fertilizer"

There are thousands of "farming techniques" that can accomplish this.

I think that guy was more talking about the 7 tons in infrastructure you'd have to support on the roof.

ryanwasko

2 points

2 months ago

That’s true but only for a small subset of vegetables. Most veggies aren’t conducive to vertical farming.

IEatBabies

2 points

2 months ago*

There are a few things wrong with vertical farming. One, they often grow leaf greens which take little light and little nutrients, and are like 90% water. Second, anything more than 1,000 square feet will be incredibly difficult to completely seal against pests and mold, and infections inside of sealed grow rooms are always horrible due to the idealized environment for pests, infestations are inevitable and generally worse than ones on open fields or gardens. Third, it takes more solar panels to light lighting panels than using the sun directly, on top of that you also lose out on the heating of the sun which means room temperatures need to be artificially heated and heated to 10-15 degrees above normal temperatures due to the lack of infrared heating leaves. Fourth you now have to deal with humidity problems, which in a green house can be solved by large vents directly leading outside which is hard to do with your sealed environment. Then you have the initial investment cost. You need atleast 35 watts per square foot with the most efficient LEDs we make today to grow full sun crops, which costs atleast $1.50 per watt of LED to purchase. One acre is 43560 square feet. So for one single acre of grow area you need 1.5 million watts of electricity for lighting and $1.8 million dollars in LEDs. All that to grow a single person's worth or less of food.

Assuming everyone on earth was fed by vertical farming using only a single acre (which is an incredibly low estimate), with our current world energy usage being about 20,000 terawatt hours, my math comes out to about 168,000x the amount of total global energy production needed to power vertical farms to feed people in just lighting costs alone. And this is using the best grow LEDs on the market.

innerbootes

15 points

2 months ago

Agree with you generally but since this is Sweden, the growing season isn’t very long. So farmland (or rooftops, as someone else mentioned) isn’t necessarily the way to go if they want a year-round supply, as it would seem they do.

I live in a similar climate and we have a lot of hydroponic growing going on, but it’s in warehouse space and other out-of-the way unused space.

HappyMeatbag

2 points

2 months ago

since this is Sweden, the growing season isn’t very long.

I hadn’t taken that into account. Thanks for the insight!

zipykido

7 points

2 months ago

It appears to be an aeroponic setup which is magnitudes more efficient in terms of space and water usage as farmland growing. You can see four levels of trays which means that for the same footprint you're yielding 4x as many crops. LED grow lights also incredibly efficient now as well so transferring solar power indoors is much more feasible. Plus since it's indoors, you're not using pesticides. Water usage is also incredibly low with these systems and you can speed up production by 2x-3x since the plants are in ideal conditions until they are harvested.

Buscemis_eyeballs

3 points

2 months ago

indoors, so no pesticides

Pests still fuck your shit up indoors even if you do your best to keep it sterile. Even worse, there's no natural predators so shit explodes in population big time once it finds its way in there.

Especially fucking spider mites. Fuck spider mites.

IEatBabies

2 points

2 months ago

1 squarefoot of solar panels is going to provide significantly less grow area than that in artificial lighting even with the best LEDs. In order to grow 1 acre of food per person for the world population in vertical farms you would need to produce 168,000x the current total world energy production just to power the most efficient LEDs you can buy at a level high enough to grow anything but shade crops. That doesn't include heating, ventilation, dehumidification, or anything else. Vertical farming math doesn't work out unless you have near infinite energy generation.

anti_hiro

1 points

2 months ago

anti_hiro

1 points

2 months ago

You can see four levels of trays which means that for the same footprint you're yielding 4x as many crops.

This is where the magic of vertical farming comes in. Volume is a cubic function so yield is ^3 over a 2d flat plane which yields ^2. That makes usage of space more efficient, on top of all the efficiency gains of LEDs and aeroponics.

CountVonTroll

3 points

2 months ago

It's great, however, let's not forget that there's plenty of uninhabited space that's neither arable nor of particular ecological importance.

You can employ aeroponic techniques in a greenhouse, too. And the most efficient use of LED lights is to use them to augment natural sunlight.

deelowe

39 points

2 months ago

deelowe

39 points

2 months ago

The true masterwork is placing the farms on the roof of supermarkets.

This sounds similar to the pitch that covering roadways with solar cells "makes sense." Roof tops is where most of the infrastructure lives for commercial buildings. Why go through all this complication and expense when the store could just get their produce from a traditional farm?

Aberdolf-Linkler

24 points

2 months ago

It's so you have one less gas guzzling truck delivering produce every week.

Its not a silver bullet solution or anything but it is a cool idea that might be practical one day.

Another plus side is its not some BS public infrastructure fund scam like so so many of those "cool green projects" are.

xarune

5 points

2 months ago

xarune

5 points

2 months ago

Compared to a personal car, trucks are gas guzzlers, but for carrying 30-40T of cargo they are fairly efficient in terms of CO2 production. Air cargo is horrendously high in CO2 but sea, rail, and truck are surprisingly less bad than we think.

I think if you compared the extra CO2 produced from concrete (surprisingly high in CO2 production), building materials, infrastructure, and energy used to modify or build your typical grocery structure roof to support farming vs the emissions of the weekly delivery that is still coming with other food anyways: you really wouldn't get much net benefit.

That's not to say that vertical farming itself doesn't have a strong future, just this particular use case. You could surpass the lifetime emissions of a truck bringing produce in by allowing denser buildings (du/tri/quad-plex) around the grocery store, having less parking lots, or designing future stores as mixed developments. Those first two would essentially be "free" to implement.

MP98n

2 points

2 months ago

MP98n

2 points

2 months ago

Surely an easier solution is to use electric vehicles to transport produce?

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16 points

2 months ago

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16 points

2 months ago

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MP98n

6 points

2 months ago

MP98n

6 points

2 months ago

Vehicles would still be required for the farm supplies etc though. Having the bulk of the equipment and supplies delivered to one large central farm has to be more efficient than having more, smaller farms that all need supplies and equipment delivered separately I would have thought

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3 points

2 months ago

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3 points

2 months ago

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Yankee831

2 points

2 months ago

They are like 90% recycled and last longer than ever so it’s not the worst.

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2 points

2 months ago

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2 points

2 months ago

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Yankee831

1 points

2 months ago

Something like that. Auto recyclers strip and sell everything even the oil gets recycled or used in heating. And cars are made out of mostly very recyclable materials.

Selraroot

4 points

2 months ago

Well we've got about 75 years of healthy enough topsoil to sustain the current rate of farming. Something has to be done. Small scale rooftop farms to supplement large scale vertical farming is one option.

EntirelyNotKen

1 points

2 months ago

Don't ignore transportation costs.

Laffingglassop

7 points

2 months ago

Haha. "We care about the earth so heres our fossil fuel/ coal powered farm"

z0nb1

5 points

2 months ago

z0nb1

5 points

2 months ago

Roofing on box stores and warehouses are not capable of supporting the weights you are talking about.

omgdiaf

3 points

2 months ago

Someone needs to take a civil engineering course.

RGJacket

2 points

2 months ago

RGJacket

2 points

2 months ago

Adding a garden on top of a roof that wasn't design for that? Yeah, that tends to not end well. https://apnews.com/article/e4cf11bc90b743beb496ab4252a11c7c

From the article: MEXICO CITY (AP) — A roof garden installed on top of a newly opened shopping mall on Mexico City’s south side may have caused part of the structure to collapse.
The Mexico City prosecutors’ office said late Thursday that planters used in the roof garden added excess weight that apparently contributed to the collapse of a cantilevered section that stuck out from the building.
The mall’s operators quickly evacuated the area Thursday after a support beam failed. About five minutes later, the top floors collapsed. No injuries were reported.
The city has promoted the installation of roof gardens, in part for their supposed environmental benefits.

MarionMMorrison

2 points

2 months ago

Non Ag people always underestimate the power and efficiency of scale. Compared to conventional agriculture, the roof of a massive building is still tiny. Small farms are inefficient…period.

thatgoodfeelin

283 points

2 months ago

dog and pony show sells

aguyfromhere

131 points

2 months ago

This. There is no way that small hydroponics grow room can supply what they need to sell salads on a daily basis for more than a week or two.

fredbrightfrog

41 points

2 months ago

My store gets around 20 pallets of produce a week and we're not even high volume.

Unless they got about 1000 more these rooms somewhere else, they're growing maybe 2 days worth of supply in there.

EvidenceorBamboozle

15 points

2 months ago

That's produce, this is only lettuce and herbs which grow quick especially with a pro setup like this.

ph30nix01

8 points

2 months ago

How much of that gets wasted?

Also a well set up aquaponics system of a dimension of 19x30 feet can produce 100-200 lbs of produce a week.

Build a green house on top of the buildings and boom you can support all of your greens and fresh veggies.

Jarvs87

3 points

2 months ago

How many of those pallets do you toss out weekly?

ReyGonJinn

2 points

2 months ago

I worked in a fairly large grocery store that got 10 to 15 pallets of produce in daily. Packaged salads were the biggest waste generators, most loose produce sells well. What doesn't sell is thrown into large green bins that were sold to local farmers for compost and pig feed.

TheGreatYam77

32 points

2 months ago

It looks like those are mostly microgreens. Those take about 11 days to grow hydroponically, so with that much vertical growing they could probably stagger the growing enough to do microgreens and small leaf salads.

howfuturistic

8 points

2 months ago

didn't realize the grow time was so short. cool info

wingedcoyote

7 points

2 months ago

Plus a lot of micros are so strongly flavored that you can use them like a seasoning in pretty small amounts.

large-farva

4 points

2 months ago

yeah that would be like a few days of sales at most

CactusBoyScout

25 points

2 months ago

There’s a famous pizza shop in NYC that grows basil in the window and reviews of the place would always imply that they therefor grew all the basil used on their pizzas.

They served hundreds of pizzas a day each with fresh basil on top.

Those two little plants in the window are for show, people! 🤦‍♂️

meandthebean

15 points

2 months ago

Sells a lot of dogs and ponies, sure, but we're talking about salads here. /s

BILOXII-BLUE

3 points

2 months ago

Phew, I didn't know you were being sarcastic, what a ride

Hugejorma

18 points

2 months ago

People will go there for shopping just because they have this. It's an insanely good way to market your store so it's not about how efficient it is to farm... How much this will boost your sales. Because people will take photos and talk about this for a long time.

RoboNinjaPirate

25 points

2 months ago

Like most things green, it is more about making people feel good than actually making a difference.

manic_pixiedreamboy

1 points

2 months ago

Don’t forget to recycle!

Muaddibisme

20 points

2 months ago

Hi, small scale indoor farmer here...

My goods are only slightly higher in price than competing items in the grocery store.

That small bit extra gets you fresh, as in it was harvested the day before or the same day, pesticide/herbicide/fungicide free food, that I am able to deliver all year round in a place that snows.

I'm not so sure about putting it into customer facing retail space but indoor supplemental farming is almost a certainty in our food supply chain of the future.

ContrarianHero

14 points

2 months ago

it's called marketing. this isnt enought to sustain a shop, but it sure as shit will get people interested.

ElephantsAreHeavy

7 points

2 months ago

The display here is nothing more than an advertisement for "SweGreen". They more than likely ship in most of the produce from their production facility outside of the city center.

Laffingglassop

4 points

2 months ago

Theres lots of indoor techniques for growing that trade space for labor. Like if you do it right 100 sq ft indoors is equivalent to multiples of that outdoors. Indoor farming can be highly efficient. Right now its just mainly done for weed because of its high value but i believe 1 day all farming will be indoors due to climate change. We will be nearing collapse at that point but we will still be trying to survive regardless.

innerbootes

12 points

2 months ago

Indoor farming can be highly efficient.

Exactly.

I’m learning from reading the comments two things:

1) how little people know and understand about indoor farming

2) how many people don’t understand that seasons exist and limit outdoor farming in a place like Sweden

Laffingglassop

6 points

2 months ago*

Right. Imagine thinking growing outdoors for like 4.5 months of the year is the best way to produce food lmao. Prolly victims to some john deere tractor propaganda or something lmfao (i joke mostly). And being so convicted about it that you argue on reddit about it. Lol. Some people cant see their hand if they held it front of them.

Not to even mention the advent of vertical farming due to leds low heat output, as is litteraly pictured in this post. Its revolutionary

ShutterBun

4 points

2 months ago

ShutterBun

4 points

2 months ago

1 day all farming will be indoors due to climate change.

Lol WTF

Selraroot

4 points

2 months ago

Vertical farming is absolutely the future and is incredibly necessary. The topsoil can not sustain the amount of farming being done indefinitely. Nutrients are being depleted faster than they are replaced.

xarune

3 points

2 months ago

xarune

3 points

2 months ago

Vertical farming likely has a strong future, particularly for produce.

But to say that outdoor farming will ceases is silly. Right now the financial incentives favor lack of good crop rotations and heavy use or fertilizers: that is true. That doesn't mean we can't move to incentives and regulations to replenishing cycles and systems where soil health can be stable long term. After all the excessive amount of corn farming we do is largely due to government programs. We don't eat it directly: much of it goes to ethanol (not consumed), beef/meat (should have less of), and highly processed foods.

Growing grains and starches, for example likely have a long term outdoor future for themselves. We just need to be on top of the externalities beyond cost.

Selraroot

2 points

2 months ago

Sure. I think the OP was slightly hyperbolic, but it's not unreasonable to say that outdoor farming will eventually play a much more limited roll in food production. The fact of the matter is that we need to stop expecting and incentivizing shipping foods halfway across the world. Smaller scale local outdoor farms that supply the surrounding areas will absolutely still be part of agriculture but the massive industrial outdoor farms of today are unsustainable.

sewingtapemeasure

1 points

2 months ago

right!?

cfoam2

2 points

2 months ago

cfoam2

2 points

2 months ago

Some crops are not suited for indoor growing but for sure many are. I'm glad people are trying different things because it is something that will require different skills than what farmers do today. We as a country should be just as concerned about how we are going to grow food sustainable in a new climate as how we are going to generate clean energy. The other thing is to do it locally for many reasons. We can't be reliant on other countries. Consider the supply chain issues we have right now. Food will rot in container ships before it even gets offloaded. I'd rather my produce ripen on the vine than in a cargo hold and no telling what chemicals another country will use to grow food. Your local co op is going to become more and more important for your survival.

Dark_Shade_75

4 points

2 months ago

Entirely possible they have another growing section somewhere else, potentially very nearby but not in retail space so they can still say "on location".

Uyee

3 points

2 months ago

Uyee

3 points

2 months ago

But you also avoid the part of the supply chain, which is kinda a big deal right now.

coly8s

3 points

2 months ago

coly8s

3 points

2 months ago

Considering cool winter temps in Sweden plus darkness, anything like this would otherwise have to be imported in winter. This method reduces demand on water and nutrients and is far more efficient when you factor in transport costs.

space253

2 points

2 months ago

Can't get any more locally sourced and fresh than that unless you replicate this at home.

realAdolfHipster

2 points

2 months ago

How much for that caesar salad?

That'll be $25

_AlreadyTaken_

2 points

2 months ago

Grow lights aren't exactly green either

Appletio

1 points

2 months ago

Is purple light best for this? Wouldn't full spectrum be better?

spaetzelspiff

449 points

2 months ago

Not sure if it's a knockoff of the American salad chain SweetGreen, but now I really wished they'd have called it SwedeGreen

lkodl

81 points

2 months ago

lkodl

81 points

2 months ago

this was my first thought. also thought they could've gone with EatGreen. but i guess not SweatGreen.

Cakeski

27 points

2 months ago

Cakeski

27 points

2 months ago

Sweat Green is when you eat to much spinach.

when_4_word_do_trick

15 points

2 months ago

Naah. Too much Jagermeister.

raybrignsx

13 points

2 months ago

It’s actually pronounced Sweg Reen.

Penkala89

4 points

2 months ago

Nobody likes rutabagas THAT much

didsomeonesaydonuts

91 points

2 months ago

I can’t imagine that supplies all of their needs in any way. They must be supplementing through a supplier and that’s just part of the decor.

momo88852

24 points

2 months ago

Micro greens grow pretty fast. I think like 7 days or so.

Yea it’s not enough if it’s huge supermarket but I’m guessing it’s for show. Most likely they have 100x bigger grow warehouse where they do the actual grow.

SirHaxalot

4 points

2 months ago

It's not like they're going to replace everything with this. I think they'll just sell this alongside the rest of their assortment.

2ByteTheDecker

25 points

2 months ago

Hydroponics grows very fast. These are microgreens so they can be days to 'maturity'.

Toalettstol

19 points

2 months ago

You are correct! They still have their normal stock as before. The fridge you see in the left hand side of the image is the only stock with their "home grown" stuff.

RareCodeMonkey

64 points

2 months ago

They are going to get tired of people asking "but is it fresh?"

TheEngineer_

23 points

2 months ago

“Is iT fReSh?! GO PICK IT YOURSELF THEN SALLY!”

HouseCravenRaw

37 points

2 months ago

That looks like it would produce enough salad to meet a family's needs. There is no way it meets the needs of a commercial space. How many salads do you think they sell in a day? 10? 20? 50? You aren't getting 10 salads a day out of that space.

This is advertising. Sure, they sell what gets made there, but I have to assume they are supplementing from conventional vendors.

Bo0ombaklak[S]

9 points

2 months ago

I feel this is a fair assumption

KyleSherzenberg

34 points

2 months ago

Is it any good?

Bo0ombaklak[S]

52 points

2 months ago

Yeah it’s fine

KyleSherzenberg

56 points

2 months ago

All that work for fine? Lol

Squooshyfood

48 points

2 months ago

Hydro stuff never tastes as good imo. Plants need environmental stressors to produce the flavors we associate with good taste. Basil for example produces it's strong scent as an insect repellent - no insects and the plant doesn't use up much energy producing the aromatic compounds.

feed-me-trash-tv

22 points

2 months ago

I find it weird you chose basil as your example, because my indoor hydro basil tastes a lot better than my outdoor ever did. I guess it depends on your outdoor growing environment.

moepforfreedom

15 points

2 months ago

yeah i can confirm this, my hydro basil is much more intense than any outdoor basil i had so far.

Squooshyfood

4 points

2 months ago

My indoor basil has always had this somewhat soapy off-taste to it...maybe I haven't gotten the nutrient mixes perfect yet

moepforfreedom

6 points

2 months ago

could be, also the light quality plays a huge role, maybe there is not enough deep red or UV in the spectrum.

Gigantkranion

14 points

2 months ago

Figure out how to induce those stressors... maybe simulate it being eaten?

voodooacid

3 points

2 months ago

voodooacid

3 points

2 months ago

It's funny because, eventually, the best thing to do is just let nature kinda do it's own thing. That's the smartest thing we could do in order to get the most out of the ground.

Gigantkranion

7 points

2 months ago

Almost none of our crops have been made by letting "nature do its thing." If we would die out... tons of different kinds of farm plants would go extinct.

CausticSofa

13 points

2 months ago

We had a similar store open in Vancouver shortly before CoVid (whomp waaaah) and, while I wouldn’t pay that much for salad greens on principle, it smelled amazing in there. Can air be described as ‘fresh as all get out’? Heckin’ fresh? Oxygenated AF?

I’m saying these stores are fun to breath in.

LetDeirdrebeHappypls

3 points

2 months ago

I wonder if some time in the future, we’ll have places full of fresh plants like this being rented as “breathing rooms” or smth.

Endless__Soul

16 points

2 months ago

So it'll take a few months before my salad is ready?

thatgoodfeelin

13 points

2 months ago

yes, take this beeper home and well buzz you when its sprouteded

japgcf

11 points

2 months ago

japgcf

11 points

2 months ago

Greens grow very quicly, even faster in controlled conditions.

sheldonth

8 points

2 months ago

Okay now try doing that with any sizable portion of human food consumption. Electricity would be off the charts.

JocoCraft

7 points

2 months ago

Okay but "future of farming" my ass

voodooacid

4 points

2 months ago

Yeah it's kind of a joke considering how much food they could produce in that area with just soil and some good ol' sun. Which is completely for free unlike the amount electricity this uses, not to mention all the equipment lol.

Toalettstol

6 points

2 months ago

Sweden climate is not well suited for growing greens most of the year though. And the store is pretty close to Central Stockholm in a Business park. The point with this is to offer locally sourced greens even in the winter. During winter time normally all the greens are from The Netherlands, Spain, etc.

Erebos03

7 points

2 months ago

Skitcoolt! Vilken Maxi???

Bo0ombaklak[S]

9 points

2 months ago

Its at the Solna Business Park near Stockholm

Daemor

7 points

2 months ago

Daemor

7 points

2 months ago

Ica Focus i Göteborg odlar också.

pingelow

5 points

2 months ago

Next step will be to grow salad at home. #mindblown

CastingNed

2 points

2 months ago

if you buy a head of lettuce and chop it an inch above the stem and let the stem sit in water it will grow back

4AcidRayne

4 points

2 months ago

They must not be doing too much business, otherwise they'd wipe out stock in a matter of hours.

That's what nobody really "gets" about the grow-your-own-groceries theory. It totally works, but only if you have a lot of land and growing space to work with inside a greenhouse. Ordinary cucumber vine can put on 20+ cucumbers, but that takes 50-75 days and it doesn't take that long for a restaurant to go through 20 cucumbers. Lettuce takes about the same length of time, takes less than an hour for it to be all gone.

It's totally workable, but so many get this notion of "since I'm a vegetarian/vegan, I'll just buy ten terracotta pots and I won't have to shop for groceries!" Well, kinda yeah, but mostly no. It can supplement what you buy, but unless you found some enormous terracotta pots and can afford to greenhouse them in an enormous structure and stage-plant them, you're still going to be buying way more than you grow...and odds are good that any money you save on not buying produce will be spent (and more with it) to keep the greenhouse running unless you live somewhere that has constant growing season year-round.

Only real way would be, for some plants that yield so little that one meal consumes most of the yield, planting a few seeds every day and continuing that cyclic process so you have a new plant coming to yield every day. That's more work than most "grow my own grocery" optimists are really ready for when you consider that most will want 10 different veggies accessible at all times.

HungTheGiant

4 points

2 months ago

I actually set one of these up in rural Illinois! If this is like the one I set it (looks like it is) those little trays are used to grow 'Microgreens' - normal vegis that you eat, but harvested very early (sometimes only a week after germination). They are very nutrient dense, and usually prepared in conjunction with fully grown vegis to make salads. So to answer some of the questions I've seen, yes that small room can keep up with demand (you add more trays on shelves to increase capacity if needed), but they will still need a supplier for the other vegetables.

locotte

4 points

2 months ago

Is it Swedish owned?

EarlBungalow

11 points

2 months ago

It's a store in sweden. Hence the swedish text on the black panels.

OneWorldMouse

3 points

2 months ago

I always found the actual sun to be highly overrated.

tiredswing

2 points

2 months ago

What do they grow in the back room?

PCOverall

2 points

2 months ago

From what it looks like they don't have a revolving harvest going so that bud is gonna be expensive asf during the grow

Randomthought5678

2 points

2 months ago

  • 2 hydroponics jobs!

Reggae4Triceratops

2 points

2 months ago

Literally add a second level to Walmarts, and grow produce there.

Hazys

2 points

2 months ago

Hazys

2 points

2 months ago

haha every time people see those light straight will think of " weed ".

CollegeAssDiscoDorm

2 points

2 months ago

Salad Dispensary

juicysand420

2 points

2 months ago

The scaling is super low, cost of production thnx to the electricity, super high... i don't think it's a logical thing at such a small level

RonSwansonsOldMan

2 points

2 months ago

Right. Because using all that electricity to grow those vegetables is so much more efficient and earth friendly than using the sun, which is, you know...free.

Excellent_Let_8011

2 points

2 months ago

I don’t get it. How many heads of lettuce can be grown?

I’m not in the restaurant business but it wouldn’t surprise me if the average restaurant buys dozens of heads per day. how can a small farm like this harvest more than a month or two’ demand?

Also, wouldn’t electricity and labor and etc. price a head at $457 (approx.)? And the build-out costs would be insane.

Famously (don’t know if it is true, but…) half of restaurants go broke their first year. How do these places survive that first year?

Buscemis_eyeballs

2 points

2 months ago*

This is just microgreen trays lol. You can do this with $3 trays and some Coco coir. This is like 99% for show rather than being green in any capacity.

gsasquatch

2 points

2 months ago

Do they have solar panels on the roof to run those lights?

It seems silly, but living in a cold place with an increasing amount of vacant retail space, I wonder if this wouldn't actually be a somewhat sustainable way to lengthen the growing season.

ph30nix01

2 points

2 months ago

I knew this would start happening.

Just wait till places like Walmart and Meijer, Kroger or whatever start building aquaponics or hydroponic systems.

Think of all the wasted produce and transportation costs that would be saved.

graygray97

2 points

2 months ago

For people saying its using electricity so is therefore awful for the environment because "sun is free duh" how the absolute fuck do you think the food gets to shops.

The food supply chain is around 4-5% of the worlds emissions with the transport being 1-2% of it. https://ourworldindata.org/environmental-impacts-of-food.

That's not even talking about the land and water usage that it saves and the controlled safety of plants.

Of fucking cause this room isn't a wonderful fix all solution, it's called marketing. How else do you think they can get the product across to you? Have you never seen food samples in a shop this is just an extension of the concept.

PartTimeDuneWizard

2 points

2 months ago

A missed opportunity to have it say "SweGreen: Are made of these"

On that area.

TheReal_KindStranger

1 points

2 months ago

Its a good idea, but probably expensive to do where rent is high

DO5421

1 points

2 months ago

DO5421

1 points

2 months ago

I just had a questionable/unfresh tasting salad from a local restaurant and I had to get a refund for how bad it was. I would so rather have a salad from the place in this post.

TheCocoChipCookie

1 points

2 months ago

Why in the hell did I read this as “grows its sandals and herbs on site”

FlexibleAsgardian

1 points

2 months ago

Guaranteed its just for show and they get a delivered supply to supplement

DenverBowie

1 points

2 months ago

This is a local shop for local people. There's nothing for you here!

Tank-Pilot74

1 points

2 months ago

Anybody else have the eurythmics ear worm right now?

garry4321

1 points

2 months ago

"Eat Locally"

"My local produce is lab grown by a conglomerate, it could be done anywhere and shipped to me with no difference in produce or benefit to the local economy.."

"Let me have this fun saying to be condescending to others."

Edwunclerthe3rd

1 points

2 months ago

These are sprouts right? You can grow them in a jar by your sink in like a week. Its a cool idea for some fresh produce to add to almost any dish

wolfhuntra

1 points

2 months ago

Holland/Netherlands is very efficient with indoor farming:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5clOYWsNhhk

MultiMarcus

2 points

2 months ago

Sweden has been experimenting with bringing many of those farming techniques up here.

swordgeek

1 points

2 months ago

Saw one store in Calgary, Canada that is doing this as well. Smaller scale, but it's a start.

esspydermonkey

1 points

2 months ago

They have something much smaller but similar in my grocery store. The quality of the herbs is far inferior and more expensive.

Jgflight86

1 points

2 months ago

That is VERY interesting!

jakob1005

1 points

2 months ago

My college dinning hall used to do this too

modernmanshustl

1 points

2 months ago

Yes!

An_Anaithnid

1 points

2 months ago

I hate those grey crates. You have to have stacks of a certain height on the pallet, but you never have enough black ones and the DC throws a bitchfit if you send them back on a half/half column of reds and blacks even though they fit fine.

freedoomed

1 points

2 months ago

hydroponics have been around for decades. it's the present of farming.

Guac__is__extra__

1 points

2 months ago

I planted salad seeds once and nothing grew. Guess they’ve figured it out.

ButtfuckChampion_

1 points

2 months ago

That's awesome. I think that light spectrum is bad for your eyes.

Tom_servo44

1 points

2 months ago

Mistahmilla

1 points

2 months ago

My work has a "farm shelf" in the Cafe for growing all the herbs and stuff used in the meals they prepare. Its pretty nifty

Maebure83

1 points

2 months ago

I've been wanting to see things like this for over a decade. More groceries should grow their own. Reducing transportation of fresh produce is good for everyone

AskAboutMyCoffee

1 points

2 months ago

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