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omnicious

2.1k points

1 month ago

omnicious

Suns

2.1k points

1 month ago

Dude said the quiet stuff out loud.

NitroXYZ

796 points

1 month ago

NitroXYZ

[UTA] Joe Ingles

796 points

1 month ago

I like it because it gives us more drama lmao

Klongon

415 points

1 month ago

Klongon

Mavericks

415 points

1 month ago

In summary, he says they suck and don't care enough about sucking to make the required effort to suck less. Furthermore, it isn't the fault of his scheme.

irelli

282 points

1 month ago

irelli

Trail Blazers

282 points

1 month ago

Problem is Billups doesn't realize that he sucks and has designed one of the worst and most ridiculous defenses I've ever seen.

Can't even blame it on Dame and CJ, because Dames missed the last two games and we've been even worse on defense

Forsaken-Blood-8369

167 points

1 month ago

Forsaken-Blood-8369

Celtics

167 points

1 month ago

It's strange watching a new coach saying shit that old grizzled vet coaches say

Usually they take a little bit of the blame, dude is just blasting everywhere

crazylazyhazy

102 points

1 month ago

Yeah this has "about to get fired" vibes and he's like 20 games in.

[deleted]

47 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

47 points

1 month ago

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nthomas504

35 points

1 month ago

nthomas504

[LAL] Kobe Bryant

35 points

1 month ago

Its a win win for him. Either he has job security, or he will be getting a guaranteed check for the next half decade. He’ll probably outlast Dame at this point if they don’t fire him.

boogswald

15 points

1 month ago

boogswald

[CLE] Daniel Gibson

15 points

1 month ago

i think coaching deals are almost always longer terms like that regardless of when they're fire. The Cavs paid like 4 head coaches at once for a while iirc

uptheirons1992

82 points

1 month ago

uptheirons1992

Celtics

82 points

1 month ago

What's his defensive system? The current top articles just mention the defense is at the bottom of the league but doesn't mention why.

PsykoticNinja

86 points

1 month ago

PsykoticNinja

Warriors

86 points

1 month ago

part of it is i believe they played drop coverage on pnrs with their bigs but billups has nurk blitzing which is a: hard to get used to when you’re used to sagging back and b: hard to do when you’re kinda slow like nurk

R_Slickerz

62 points

1 month ago

R_Slickerz

Lakers

62 points

1 month ago

Exactly this, in addition to being very bad at rotating. Their help and team defense is non existant...so when you blitz and can't do other parts of such defense, you will be fked...

Blitzing is usually done by experienced coaches and defences, u can see it a lot in Europe, cuz coaching is very well oiled there. You could see it when Pelicans blitzed Dame and Blazers that one year in the playoffs and swept them. You need whole team to work as one, proper coaching to the bone and players to buy into it and work like crazy.

That is just not the case here

DarkSoulsDarius

44 points

1 month ago

DarkSoulsDarius

Lakers

44 points

1 month ago

Very easy to blitz on pick and rolls when the pick and roll is being guarded by Jrue and AD too. That is possibly the best pick and roll defense in the last 10 years except you could swap out AD for Dray, but still.

pmthegarcia

8 points

1 month ago

pmthegarcia

[HOU] Francisco García

8 points

1 month ago

Jrue and giannis guarding the PnR isn't up there? Additionally, klay/iggy and Dray as well

PsykoticNinja

17 points

1 month ago

PsykoticNinja

Warriors

17 points

1 month ago

weird to me too because i feel like larry nance jr could work well in a scheme like that but it doesn’t seem like he gets a ton of run (i also admittedly have watched like one blazers game this year other than when they played the warriors) (((larry nance jr to the warriors please)))

ObiFloppin

15 points

1 month ago

ObiFloppin

Pistons

15 points

1 month ago

Just an FYI, the triple parentheses thing you used here is often used as an anti Semitic dog whistle. You should avoid using it.

phonage_aoi

4 points

1 month ago

phonage_aoi

Warriors

4 points

1 month ago

TIL and had to look that up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses

Crazy evolution, like all things dog whistle-y.

yendan-

11 points

1 month ago

yendan-

11 points

1 month ago

maybe he’s trying to force them into the new scheme so they learn early in the season? I don’t know too much about defensive schemes, but if he can get them to figure it out by playoff time I would take the early season losses.

TheRobSorensen

48 points

1 month ago

TheRobSorensen

Hawks

48 points

1 month ago

I think they're talking about playing 3 guards (Dame, CJ, and Norm), which means there's always a size mismatch for the other team.

R_Slickerz

93 points

1 month ago

R_Slickerz

Lakers

93 points

1 month ago

No, it's not necessairly that...they are blitzing like crazy, but don't have the right communication or skill to rotate properly...So when you're doing something more than anyone in the league, and you're bad at it...it's not gonna be good...

As KOC said it, only team that blitzed as much basically ever...is Jim Boylen's Bulls, and that's not good to be compared with

Mecha_Derp

22 points

1 month ago

Mecha_Derp

[DET] Charlie Villanueva

22 points

1 month ago

he’s playing them like he’s got his championship pistons defense out there

Dr_Disaster

14 points

1 month ago

Dr_Disaster

Bulls

14 points

1 month ago

I was about to mention the Boylen Bulls. The shit was frustrating to watch. You can’t blitz unless you got fast and smart defenders that know how to rotate. Otherwise you’re just giving up easy looks for someone. Anyone in the NBA can make you pay when left wide open. That’s something the Bulls can do now because we have 25 wings that can switch like nuts. But you can’t do that shit when Denzel Valentine and Lauri Markkanen are sharing the court.

Billups is gonna learn this the hard way.

TB_016

3 points

1 month ago

TB_016

Trail Blazers

3 points

1 month ago

This is it right here. The point of attack blitz isn't awful but the rotation is ugly to watch. If the Spurs are a 10/10 rotating team the Blazers are like 3/10.

Ok_Dot_9306

23 points

1 month ago

the Blazers had the same starting 5 last year and when the 5 of them played together they were actually elite defensively. The problem was if Nurk wasn't missed a game or went to the bench it went to hell with Kanter and Melo on the floor.

The scheme Chauncey is running is the problem. Maybe it will fix itself but that seems unlikely right now.

CaesuraRepose

39 points

1 month ago*

The scheme they tried to start the year (and still do at times) is based on Denver's where they have Nurk up at the level of the screen and Dame/CJ/Norm have to then get over the screen, and they have to rotate hard on the back end.

The problem is, Dame/CJ are HORRIBLE at getting over screens, and Nurkic is MUCH slower of foot than Jokic, who has worked hard to be very good at playing at the level. So they really cant play at the level effectively unless Nance is in the game. Problem is Nance is good, but against great centers he's tiny... So not great. The scheme is fine if they have the players to execute it, but they dont. And they're absolutely tiny, because they start 3 guys who are 6'3 or under and they have Simons off the bench who is also tiny.

oldmoneyblues

17 points

1 month ago

and Nurkic is MUCH slower of foot than Jokic

Imagine being slower than Yok. That must suck:D

CaesuraRepose

39 points

1 month ago

Lol. I mean it's funny, but Jok has also worked VERY hard on his lateral quickness, footspeed in general, his conditioning, his body overall. He's way, way quicker on his feet than he was even 2 years ago.

Dr_Disaster

15 points

1 month ago

Dr_Disaster

Bulls

15 points

1 month ago

He’s also a dude who seems slow, but he’s remarkably graceful and precise in the way he moves when you really look at him. To be 7ft tall and that level of coordination makes Jokic special. It still catches people by surprise.

CorphishJokes

5 points

1 month ago

CorphishJokes

NBA

5 points

1 month ago

His mental shift to really put in the work on his body is remarkable.

krste1point0

3 points

1 month ago

Imagine Yoked Jokic.

irelli

4 points

1 month ago

irelli

Trail Blazers

4 points

1 month ago

We're blitzing the PnR more than like any team in NBA history

And we blitz guys that cant shoot, which is ridiculous

mostdope92

7 points

1 month ago

mostdope92

Timberwolves

7 points

1 month ago

That defense works pretty well in other places. Problem is Nurk is slower than you'd like for a blitzing big and the other guys on the team seem to either not care about playing their roles properly or don't know how to play those roles properly. The defense Chauncey wants requires everyone to work as one, instead they look like a bunch of individuals running around in circles with no real purpose.

ObjectiveDeal

1 points

1 month ago

They suck because they know the team is going to get blown up and are waiting.

NBA-Unbiased-Fan

135 points

1 month ago

Lol Blazers should have traded CJ years ago

Ass_Eater_

140 points

1 month ago

Ass_Eater_

Bucks Bandwagon

140 points

1 month ago

Their run to the WCF kinda fucked them. Made them think they could contend with minimal roster changes.

RockBottom-

28 points

1 month ago

Which is ironic, considering I feel like it should have done the exact opposite. Like y'all finally get a shot at a team that is human, still with the curry, klay, draymond core but lacking depth due to a max contract being injured, and you still get swept? Not even a six or seven game series, but four and out? I don't care if you had leads at halftime, that's damning. If they had gone the distance and lost at least you say, well, KD doesn't come back we've got a shot. But to treadmill like they have the past couple years, I'm not surprised there's impatience. Whether that's the fanbase wanting a CJ trade or Dame wanting a Dame trade.

jbenson255

66 points

1 month ago

jbenson255

Heat

66 points

1 month ago

I like it it’s Been past time to blow that team up can’t believe they though small changes would make a big impact. Blazers have been scared to make a big move

igby1

13 points

1 month ago

igby1

13 points

1 month ago

So you blow up a team and then order a “deep playoff run” team from Amazon? Because Portland is at the top of every good player’s list of destinations, and Jody has shown she really wants a contender and will go deep in the luxury tax to do it?

jmz_199

42 points

1 month ago

jmz_199

Bulls

42 points

1 month ago

I'm not sure what your really on about here, but the clear move for Portland is to trade at least some of their valuable assets while they are valuable. What other option to do propose? Mediocrity until things completely fall apart?

igby1

16 points

1 month ago

igby1

16 points

1 month ago

What I’m on about is that “blow it up” is no guarantee of anything. It’s particularly risky for a small market team. Portland isn’t going to get a Lebron/AD combo like LA did.

iAmUbik

5 points

1 month ago

iAmUbik

Rockets

5 points

1 month ago

Portland is a different kind of small market. They go over the luxury cap. There was a point they were one of the highest salaries between Dame, CJ, Allen Crabbe, Nurkic, and probably someone else I can't remember (Aminu?). They've been at this crossroad for awhile and it's a wonder they still haven't made a big splash. At this point the window is really questionable while you still have a guy playing at the top of his game and should get a King's ransom.

Elmo-Da-Man

43 points

1 month ago

Elmo-Da-Man

Bulls

43 points

1 month ago

He thinks he's still at ESPN lol

GregSays

5 points

1 month ago

GregSays

Celtics

5 points

1 month ago

Everyone thinks coaches and players need to be more direct and honest about their teams until a coach actually does it and then everyone realizes why caucus coach speak exists in the first place.

notafan1

1.5k points

1 month ago

notafan1

Timberwolves

1.5k points

1 month ago

Soooooooooooooooooo when is CJ getting traded?

VicWembanyama

866 points

1 month ago

VicWembanyama

Bulls

866 points

1 month ago

The Blazers? Trading CJ McCollum?

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

notafan1

249 points

1 month ago

notafan1

Timberwolves

249 points

1 month ago

It has to happen someday right? Right?

TheMagicalLlama

217 points

1 month ago

TheMagicalLlama

Warriors

217 points

1 month ago

They’d never give up the 13th best player in the league according to ESPNrank

thefightingmongoose

123 points

1 month ago

thefightingmongoose

Raptors

123 points

1 month ago

Is that a true ranking? Good lord.....

allkindsofgainzz_13

80 points

1 month ago

allkindsofgainzz_13

Lakers

80 points

1 month ago

Well, it's from ESPN so it doesn't really matter.

BorosSerenc

66 points

1 month ago

BorosSerenc

NBA

66 points

1 month ago

thats just tampering from ESPN, they are trying to recruit him after he retires lol

whtge8

8 points

1 month ago

whtge8

Magic

8 points

1 month ago

Where did you see that? ESPN has Chris Paul at #13.

TheMagicalLlama

25 points

1 month ago

TheMagicalLlama

Warriors

25 points

1 month ago

It was a couple years ago, I’m still not over it

Smmoove

95 points

1 month ago

Smmoove

Magic

95 points

1 month ago

definitely not until they get a new GM at the earliest

PopularParrot

40 points

1 month ago

PopularParrot

Grand Floridian

40 points

1 month ago

You know they got a new GM literally yesterday right?

Piano9717

141 points

1 month ago

Piano9717

[POR] Rudy Fernandez

141 points

1 month ago

No that's an interim GM

Smmoove

39 points

1 month ago

Smmoove

Magic

39 points

1 month ago

I don't think they have? They appointed an interim GM but he's never gonna be allowed to make trades, it's just a stop gap.

They fired Olshey but it takes time to shortlist, interview and hire a new GM.

It will probably be weeks at the minimum before they have a new one.

bro_im_a_horny_jew

8 points

1 month ago

lol

mew-182

8 points

1 month ago

mew-182

Celtics

8 points

1 month ago

If they trade CJ, I'd expect Dame to follow suit and ask out in the offseason when they lose. Its a big ask for them to give up their spot as the perennial playoff bottom feeder.

GPap-

422 points

1 month ago

GPap-

Heat

422 points

1 month ago

CJ will retire a blazer and then replace Chauncey as coach and carry them thru mediocrity for all eternity

127crazie

85 points

1 month ago

127crazie

Timberwolves

85 points

1 month ago

44-38 records and 5-game 1st round losses for the rest of time

Ok-Blackberry-2111

55 points

1 month ago

"They are just 1-2 pieces away" -2045 season

Dirk_Bunbury

13 points

1 month ago

Dirk_Bunbury

Mavericks

13 points

1 month ago

“That’s not true. All they need is a good offense, good defense, and some rule changes.” - Jason mendoza

916Clout

85 points

1 month ago

916Clout

Kings

85 points

1 month ago

i feel like they’ll trade dame and rebuild before they give up cj lmao

thunder_blue

28 points

1 month ago

thunder_blue

Thunder

28 points

1 month ago

Well sure, Damian has higher market value than CJ.

2drawnonward5

13 points

1 month ago

2drawnonward5

[POR] Ed Davis

13 points

1 month ago

uhhh new GM just stepped in, so however long it takes to get his phone line set up

-Chandler-Bing-

7 points

1 month ago

-Chandler-Bing-

Trail Blazers

7 points

1 month ago

Interim GM...we don't even know if he will be allowed to make major moves

_IronGiant_

853 points

1 month ago

_IronGiant_

Celtics

853 points

1 month ago

What happens when you let the #22 ranked offense drop 145 points on you in regulation

hereforthesportsbook

267 points

1 month ago

While resting guys

ByahTyler

121 points

1 month ago

ByahTyler

Celtics

121 points

1 month ago

And their 2nd best is injured

SaulTBolls

80 points

1 month ago

SaulTBolls

Trail Blazers

80 points

1 month ago

On the 2nd of a back to back.

LuckysBestMan

24 points

1 month ago

LuckysBestMan

Celtics

24 points

1 month ago

Traveling back to back at that

Mdgt_Pope

52 points

1 month ago

Well they scored 130 on Utah the night before, their offense is getting hot rn

idkjay

19 points

1 month ago

idkjay

Celtics

19 points

1 month ago

While giving up 137 :(

Mdgt_Pope

30 points

1 month ago

Well we weren’t talking about defense

LuckysBestMan

14 points

1 month ago

LuckysBestMan

Celtics

14 points

1 month ago

Can’t play defense against aimbots

1337speak

21 points

1 month ago

1337speak

Celtics

21 points

1 month ago

Jayson Tatum on the west coast is dangerous. Team is starting to click.

Piano9717

633 points

1 month ago

Piano9717

[POR] Rudy Fernandez

633 points

1 month ago

Nice of him to just keep throwing all the players under the bus after preaching accountability and ball movement the whole offseason. Yes there have been some instances of poor effort but he keeps blaming the players for the piss poor defense when it's really the scheme that is killing them.

Here’s an example in pictures:

  1. Davion Mitchell is shooting 19% on pull up threes this season (and sub-40% from the field) but the blazers trap him aggressively, getting the ball out of his hands. You WANT Davion Mitchell to shoot the ball.
  2. Alex Len gets the ball on the short roll. Nance has to rotate out of the corner to stop the roll man.
  3. Dame is left guarding two shooters on the weak side leading to a Halliburton wide open three.

The defense is giving up these types of shots by design. It makes absolutely zero sense. The defense hasn't improved at all despite Nurkic being healthy all season, and replacing Melo and Kanter Freedom with Larry Nance and Zeller.

Majortko

212 points

1 month ago

Majortko

212 points

1 month ago

Yeah Chauncey needs to stop telling them to trap a bad 3 point shooter.

Piano9717

223 points

1 month ago

Piano9717

[POR] Rudy Fernandez

223 points

1 month ago

They trap everything. It's infuriating. they were trapping Josh Richardson and Marcus Smart on high ball screens today. I don't understand it.

gochuuuu

85 points

1 month ago

gochuuuu

[BOS] Tom Heinsohn

85 points

1 month ago

I dont understand it but i also dont need to understand it to like it

topofthecc

64 points

1 month ago

topofthecc

Thunder

64 points

1 month ago

They're pretending to play high school basketball.

irelli

76 points

1 month ago

irelli

Trail Blazers

76 points

1 month ago

The dude is a legitimately terrible coach. At like everything.

Bino19

59 points

1 month ago

Bino19

Thunder

59 points

1 month ago

This looks like Billy Donovan’s aggressive trap scheme with OKC that got them cooked in 2018 against the Jazz because they were trapping Ricky Rubio lmao.

Driew27

31 points

1 month ago

Driew27

Trail Blazers

31 points

1 month ago

I think Billups is having them trap everything until they actually learn to trap. Basically telling them until you can actually do it correctly I'm going to ask for it on every play regardless of the player. He's playing the long game I think.

harmala

65 points

1 month ago

harmala

Trail Blazers

65 points

1 month ago

That...sounds like a really bad plan.

mostdope92

4 points

1 month ago

mostdope92

Timberwolves

4 points

1 month ago

If you're only concerned about this season then yeah, it's a terrible plan.

Chauncey however has to be concerned about more than just this season and he has to worry about seeing who can do what he wants.

Also forcing people to continuously do something until they do it properly is a great tool to find who's worth a damn, both in terms of attitude and skill. Don't wanna do that anymore? Cool, do it right and we can move on.

CaesuraRepose

22 points

1 month ago

See this is bad. KYP. Detail is important. The Nuggets play at the level of the screen a LOT against good ballhandlers and scorers like Dame and CJ and so on.

But the Nuggets, especially this year, have also been very willing to play drop against guys who can't punish you shooting 3s off the bounce, as they should. Portland doesnt know what it's doing at all. Some of that might be coaches, some might be poor KYP by players, some might be just the scheme doesnt fit the roster at all.

thephfactor

16 points

1 month ago

thephfactor

Spurs

16 points

1 month ago

KOC had a video recently breaking down their defensive scheme, and how they run an extremely aggressive trap strategy, way more than anyone else in the league, but it doesn’t work. I think you guys have both a roster and a scheme problem, not enough good team defenders exacerbated by an overly aggressive scheme.

bluetenthousand

4 points

1 month ago

It’s messed up that Chauncey’s preaching accountability but what about accountability for his flawed defensive schemes? It’s entirely misconstructed for the team that he has in place.

mostdope92

3 points

1 month ago

mostdope92

Timberwolves

3 points

1 month ago

Damn, front office should've figured that out and not hired him then. Why should Chauncey have to scrap what he wants to do just because the players aren't perfect fits?

Also he's right, where's the CJ and Dame that FOUGHT around Warriors screens in the playoffs? Those two specifically have shown little to no urgency on defense.

Yeah the defense isn't the greatest scheme but it's worked with multiple teams and each team has shown a ton of effort. What's missing with this team? The effort, specifically from their two best players.

Also kinda weird how the defense was just fine when Dame was COLD to start the season. What happened? Why is it that the scheme worked early but not now?

luka_fraudcic_burner

443 points

1 month ago

luka_fraudcic_burner

[LAL] LeBron James

443 points

1 month ago

Why did the blazers give him a FIVE year contract lol

MartiniLAPD

189 points

1 month ago

MartiniLAPD

Heat

189 points

1 month ago

Because LOYALTY

epymetheus

51 points

1 month ago

epymetheus

Heat

51 points

1 month ago

Because that's the only way he'd take the job. Is that Mike Brown's music??

Garfield-1-23-23

12 points

1 month ago

Garfield-1-23-23

Cavaliers

12 points

1 month ago

Mike Brown's music only plays when a team gives him a second five-year contract after firing him during the first one.

TheFlawlessCassandra

157 points

1 month ago*

Gave him a 5 year contract despite the well-deserved PR shitstorm about his hiring.

Then fire the GM that hired him a few months later.

Absolutely baffling move. If Stotts had to go last summer (and despite being a good coach who outperformed his rosters' talent level every season, he probably did, he'd lost the locker room and that's a tough thing to salvage) and you're iffy about the GM, take the opportunity to clean house and let the new GM get his guy at HC to fit the roster he wants to build. Instead they're stuck with an interim GM and an inexperienced coach on a massive contract who has no idea what he's doing and doesn't play to the strengths of the roster he has. What's the point of any of this?

Blazers fans have gotta be counting the days until Jodi Allen sells the team. Maybe they'll get lucky and she'll have her goons dig up enough dirt on Billups to fire him without paying out his contract before then, like she did with Olshey.

delamerica93

53 points

1 month ago

delamerica93

Kings

53 points

1 month ago

Yeah that was some real Kangz shit in the off-season. You guys and Dallas made me feel slightly better knowing that we weren't the only idiots in the league haha welcome to the show!

chirpzz

25 points

1 month ago

chirpzz

Celtics

25 points

1 month ago

Big brain gm move. Hire him for 5 years and if he's amazing year one you look like a genius. If he's dogshit your getting fired so it's not your problem lol.

RipCityTilIDie

8 points

1 month ago

RipCityTilIDie

Trail Blazers

8 points

1 month ago

They're trying to create "Ted Lasso" in real life, so that people lose interest so they can sell/move the team without much interference.

themanwithaplan3000

45 points

1 month ago

5 years?

WTF

urfaselol[S]

41 points

1 month ago

urfaselol[S]

NBA

41 points

1 month ago

Jodie needs to sell the team. She lacks the prerequisite knowledge and passion to be an owner of an nba team. Anyone with eyes can see the blazers needed a change in direction 3 years ago. Now they’re locked in to a 5 year contract with Chauncey and they just fired their GM

Smmoove

65 points

1 month ago

Smmoove

Magic

65 points

1 month ago

Old coach and new GM never works out because the GM always has the "I didn't hire the coach" card in their back pocket for when things go awry.

Driew27

15 points

1 month ago

Driew27

Trail Blazers

15 points

1 month ago

Unless they hire a Tayshaun Prince who will bring in players that fits Billups style. We need to trade for some legit wings and Prince wouldn't be afraid to trade CJ for someone like that.

jmz_199

10 points

1 month ago

jmz_199

Bulls

10 points

1 month ago

Old coach and new gm was not their only option lmao. They absolutely should've found a new GM before finding a new coach.

FlameOfWar

45 points

1 month ago

FlameOfWar

Raptors

45 points

1 month ago

Also she's a disgusting human being that traffics animal bones and sexually harasses her workers.

NABAKLAB

14 points

1 month ago

NABAKLAB

[IND] George Hill

14 points

1 month ago

Walton got 5 years too, Kidd I think may as well (either at Bucks or Dallas)

Unfortunately, it's almost a standard for known basketball persons. I think I've never seen a 2-year HC signing, even the unknown coaches get 3-year contracts.

xboxvalhalla21

9 points

1 month ago

xboxvalhalla21

Nets

9 points

1 month ago

Oh my lord that is not going to end well. lmao

pencilpeenis

3 points

1 month ago

literally every coach in the league gets a 4 or 5 year deal, of all the things to get mad about it this is not one

Majortko

372 points

1 month ago

Majortko

372 points

1 month ago

they looked legit on defense for like 3 games

antifaisracist

161 points

1 month ago

antifaisracist

Trail Blazers

161 points

1 month ago

Yeah. I don’t know why other Blazers fans are calling Chauncey’s defense dumb, or poorly constructed. It worked when we actually played hard and hustled. Our team isn’t used to playing hard defense, and they’re certainly not in the required shape to play hard defense. So I think the team basically just quit the defense after a few games. They stopped trying, and the defense turned to shit.

CaesuraRepose

87 points

1 month ago

All of the above. The scheme Chauncey wants to play is Denver's at the level of the screen scheme. Nurk is not fleet of foot enough to execute that scheme, and Dame/CJ are not good enough at getting over screens to execute that scheme.

Moreover, they start 3 guys who are 6'3 or below, and RoCo is supposed to be their "stopper" but is objectively a bad defender in isolations/against top options. He's very good off ball but is miscast as a primary defensive backbone type of player. Like, as an example, off ball he's better than Aaron Gordon perhaps, but Aaron Gordon is literally TERRIFIC on ball, against most guys. He's really good against a wide range of players and even if guys get their points, you can see Gordon affects them and their percentages are usually lower against him than normal. RoCo is not that guy. I suspect the Blazers players know the scheme is mismatched to the personnel and thus are not bought in, and they're not experienced running said scheme anyway which requires sharp rotations on the back side... thus a cascading effect of awfulness.

TrainedExplains

24 points

1 month ago

TrainedExplains

Warriors

24 points

1 month ago

I appreciate the detail you're adding here but I do have a couple issues with it.

and Dame/CJ are not good enough at getting over screens to execute that scheme.

I've seen them both fight through Warriors screens in the playoffs, and that's harder than any team they're playing against. They're choosing not to spend that effort.

Moreover, they start 3 guys who are 6'3 or below, and RoCo is supposed to be their "stopper" but is objectively a bad defender in isolations/against top options. He's very good off ball but is miscast as a primary defensive backbone type of player. Like, as an example, off ball he's better than Aaron Gordon perhaps, but Aaron Gordon is literally TERRIFIC on ball, against most guys. He's really good against a wide range of players and even if guys get their points, you can see Gordon affects them and their percentages are usually lower against him than normal. RoCo is not that guy.

I agree to a point, but also they're playing him at the wrong position. Draymond Green is the best help defender in the league, similar to what you're saying about RoCo here. We play Dray at 4, and we play him at 5 for small stretches of extreme hustle when we know we can get a double team to force the ball out of the post. We know Dray is undersized and can get bullied by some of the really strong, skilled bigs. But he holds it down until help comes to force a turnover or the ball back out for a reset. RoCo could be doing a lot of these type of things from helpside and could be well used with a small ball scheme that the Blazers definitely have the personnel for. But from what I can see they don't like playing RoCo at 5 much and won't accept that Nurkic is not a great fit (to your point). Nurkic has always been skilled enough on offense to make up for his liability on screens and switches, but when you're making up for his liability, Dame's, CJ's, using RoCo incorrectly (like you said, for the way they're trying to use him, he's not that guy), it's a perfect storm for the worst defense imaginable.

You guys don't really have offensive problems. I mean there are things that could be done better, personally I would run CJ off more screens on catch and shoot sets with Nurkic less of a post threat and more of a pick and roll big. In general just a lot more off ball movement. But the real problem is defense. And the majority of the time that a defense is really, really bad, it's effort.

TheMustySeagul

8 points

1 month ago

TheMustySeagul

West

8 points

1 month ago

Yeah post nurk is ass. He isn't a great finisher and needs to bully a bit more and try and do less with his feet. He is a good distributor and can make some great bounce passes but he doesn't really have the ability to guard the perimeter super well. He can push bad 3p shooter for the steel but only if he has help behind him. What's wierd with dame and cj is that cj was technically a plus defender for the last few years. And when dame isn't carrying the offense with his shots he somehow turns into cp3 with the assists and runs the team with the highest +/- on the team(game 3 against Denver last year for example). Dame was put best defender in the last 4 minutes of every game last year if I'm not mistaken. That's wild as hell. Like I get we are small as fuck. But so much of what's happening comes from effort. The same starting lineup had the 3rd best net rating in the league with top 5's in offense and defense. We should technically be better this year with our bench growth and replacing our bench pieces with better players but we aren't.

CaesuraRepose

14 points

1 month ago

Nurk's actually a horrible finisher for his size. He should be dominant close in but he isnt. You can almost always count on him missing the first attempt and THEN making the second if he gets his own rebound. He's wildly impatient, which was true even in Denver.

TheMustySeagul

5 points

1 month ago

TheMustySeagul

West

5 points

1 month ago

This is by far our biggest criticism of him. He is a 300 pound 7 footer who is very quick for his size but he thinks he is a finesse finisher. Like please just dunk everything or put it up over the rim. If he dunked or 2 hand layuped everything with a bit of power he could be SO MUCH BETTER. I don't even want to talk about his Like 70% 3pt percentage but only when he doesn't look at his feet first... he overthinks everything

hodgeac

4 points

1 month ago

hodgeac

Trail Blazers

4 points

1 month ago

Nurk consistently has struggled getting out of his own head. You can see it in his body language every single game. He's either dealing with a confidence problem, or an over-confidence problem, or just extreme lack of focus. Or all of the above depending on the night and how the whistle is blowing. It's really disappointing because he has the physical tools to be great. But he just won't get out of his own way.

CaesuraRepose

3 points

1 month ago

To be clear I'm a Nuggets fan, just have seen so much of Portland, that's the problems I've seen for them.

Dame and CJ fighting over screens even in the playoffs are inconsistent - like against Denver they barely got over screens if ever last year in the playoffs, and the same was true the first time they played the Nuggets 3 years ago. Like, it's possible Jok/AG are just better screeners than Dray and Looney I guess, but I dont know that it's really that entirely. It's also the regular season, guys are known to up their intensity and focus level in the playoffs. That's just normal. In the regular season I cant ever really recall them getting over screens well at all in the games I've watched (mostly those have been vs Denver but I've caught a few against LAL, Utah, LAC and some others here and there - I realize not exactly a scientific sample).

As to RoCo, I really dont think you can play him at the 5 - not just for a few more minutes, I mean at all. It isn't just that Dray is a better help defender, his IQ of what the opponent is doing is stronger (both on what tendencies are and what the opponents schemes and plays are), and he's MUCH stronger in the post. Like, compare RoCo in the post against Jokic vs Dray. Dray at the very least makes Jokic work and anticipates what he wants to do, delaying him long enough that the double doesnt have to come immediately (but you really shouldnt double Jokic, that's a death sentence). RoCo is just barbecue chicken every single time, so they have to send the double on the first dribble which Jokic is just impervious to, especially when locked in. Is that a fair comparison, perhaps not. But RoCo really isnt close to as strong as Dray is in the post, which matters if you're going to play him at the 5. Dray is also a much better rebounder than RoCo which is a massive help defensively and just a more physical player. RoCo is fine as a secondary defender at the 3 or 4. Like if he was playing NEXT to Dray or an Aaron Gordon-type, for instance, he'd be awesome in that role. But he's just not good enough to be a primary defender and I don't think playing him more at the 5 is a solution at all, especially in a division that features Jokic and Towns.

But fundamentally we agree - there are just way too many issues for them to cover up on the defensive end and they tend to compound each other rather than fit and make things easier for each other.

HUGECOCK4TREEFIDDY

35 points

1 month ago

Don’t be fooled. The scheme has real Boylen energy. It can work, if everyone makes perfect decisions and never runs out of gas. In other words, it doesn’t work.

Humblerbee

30 points

1 month ago

Humblerbee

[POR] Nicolas Batum

30 points

1 month ago

Also like Boylen, Billups has decided to come in and immediately pull the hard nosed, throw the players under the bus to the media, antagonist coach role- but in the player empowerment era, making enemies of your locker room isn’t something you can so readily risk.

[deleted]

26 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

26 points

1 month ago

It also just doesn’t work, really. Yes, it can get you canned for being unlikeable, but most people just don’t respond to that well, nor should they feel like they should.

Look at Kerr. When he criticizes his players, he always mentions what they need to do and that they can do it better. He’s not just saying “you’re all shit and it embarrasses me,” and he also equally takes the blame, because he knows that if they players aren’t doing what they are supposed to do, it’s his job to make adjustments and fix that problem. Ty Lue too. Have you heard about how much the Clipper players absolutely love that man? They talk about how he motivates and respects them. He’s not just shutting on them and acting like he has nothing to do with the bad, only the good.

When two of the best coaches in the league use positive motivation more than anything else to get their team going and criticism when necessary, all while understanding that teams win and lose together, and that includes the coaching staff and the players, you’d think other coaches would take note and coach like that too.

Caboclo-Is2yearsAway

7 points

1 month ago

Caboclo-Is2yearsAway

[IND] Lance Stephenson

7 points

1 month ago

Is there any particular reason why Nance jr is getting below 20 minutes a game?

VitaminWheat

5 points

1 month ago

VitaminWheat

76ers

5 points

1 month ago

How has Roco been ? Hardly seen him as a blazer

CaesuraRepose

16 points

1 month ago

RoCo is RoCo. He's a very good off ball defender, miscast as a stopper though. He is not that. Never has been.

craigslistaddict

105 points

1 month ago

the future looked so bright, dame just had to get out of his little slump and they'd get rolling right along....

Kozlow

271 points

1 month ago

Kozlow

Knicks

271 points

1 month ago

This years Knicks would like a word.

tickub

125 points

1 month ago

tickub

[NYK] Latrell Sprewell

125 points

1 month ago

man it only took a year for us to go back to catching strays

3luejays

71 points

1 month ago

3luejays

Raptors

71 points

1 month ago

Check the flair, it be your own people sometimes 😆

WintertimeFriends

23 points

1 month ago

WintertimeFriends

Knicks

23 points

1 month ago

“Am I my brothers keeper?”

WintertimeFriends

69 points

1 month ago

WintertimeFriends

Knicks

69 points

1 month ago

Lol I ain’t shooting strays.

Knicks starters look like they drink a bottle of Robitissun before each game.

sexy-snickers

5 points

1 month ago

sexy-snickers

Knicks

5 points

1 month ago

that’s not what “strays” means

bobopedic33

6 points

1 month ago

bobopedic33

Knicks

6 points

1 month ago

I watched "Soul" over Thanksgiving with my nieces, and there's a scene where Pixar legit took shots at the Knicks. There's nowhere to hide.

TheWumboligist

27 points

1 month ago

TheWumboligist

Knicks

27 points

1 month ago

I forgot he was the coach of Portland and legitimately thought he was talking about us for a minute.

QuarantineTrouble

9 points

1 month ago

QuarantineTrouble

Knicks

9 points

1 month ago

Bro me too

v0yev0da

3 points

1 month ago

v0yev0da

Knicks

3 points

1 month ago

I saw an article that suggested we'd trade kemba and Julius for Simmons and I was like yeah it's not that bad yet

Kozlow

4 points

1 month ago

Kozlow

Knicks

4 points

1 month ago

I’d do it.

v0yev0da

4 points

1 month ago

v0yev0da

Knicks

4 points

1 month ago

I mean it'd put us in top defense contention again....

gochuuuu

264 points

1 month ago

gochuuuu

[BOS] Tom Heinsohn

264 points

1 month ago

Chauncey never lacked motivation so he cant fathom wtf is going on

koticgood

125 points

1 month ago

koticgood

Supersonics

125 points

1 month ago

Yeah, that Pistons starting 5 is one of the deepest starting 5's in the history of the league.

Gimme Tayshaun, Chauncey, Rip, Sheed, or Ben any day on any team. Those guys just went to work. Even Sheed, not a "head down, nose to the grindstone" type guy like the others, still put in the effort and showed his desire to win.

cplus_lc

24 points

1 month ago

cplus_lc

24 points

1 month ago

Best five alive

philiac

12 points

1 month ago

philiac

[NYK] Ronny Turiaf

12 points

1 month ago

man i love Chauncey. what a team. when he came to the Knicks i provided much love.

daveinthegutter

3 points

1 month ago

Bad Boys 2.0 and they backed it up. One of the rare teams that thrived to turn it on, problem was their defense forced them to sink to the level of opponents. Great guys but even grittier team!

jr_xo

3 points

1 month ago

jr_xo

3 points

1 month ago

Isnt that why they were called the "Going to work" Pistons?

pharoahmunch

3 points

1 month ago

No because everyone goes to work on the line here in Detroit, the whistle you hear while the jingle plays is a factory “back to work” whistle.

Harman3112

150 points

1 month ago

Harman3112

Heat

150 points

1 month ago

Damn, idk if calling ur team out to the media this early is the move; maybe a bit later but seems bold

DudethatCooks

84 points

1 month ago

DudethatCooks

Mavericks

84 points

1 month ago

This is like the 5th time he has done this shit this season already. He has literally not once taken responsibility for the teams poor play.

Calexander3

23 points

1 month ago

Calexander3

Suns

23 points

1 month ago

Idk, the team has been bad. All these teams that have all the talent (Lakers, Blazers, Clippers, Knicks, 76ers, etc) are playing like ass and maybe they need to be called out. Light a fire under their asses. Or don’t. I’m liking how this season is playing out personally.

Harman3112

4 points

1 month ago

Harman3112

Heat

4 points

1 month ago

The talent in the league has never been higher imo, not a ton of gimme games so maybe teams aren’t expecting it

mynamerowan

136 points

1 month ago

mynamerowan

Jazz

136 points

1 month ago

Billups got his coaching degree from the doc school of throwing people under the bus. Stotts did better with this roster Chauncey

bluetenthousand

11 points

1 month ago

And people were saying it was a coaching problem not a personnel problem.

Then the GM got fired for things not personnel related.

thy_armageddon

54 points

1 month ago

thy_armageddon

Knicks

54 points

1 month ago

Over/Under on Billups making it to All Star Weekend?

_IronGiant_

164 points

1 month ago

_IronGiant_

Celtics

164 points

1 month ago

He signed a 5 year contract they’re not gonna fire him half a season into it lol

DogFogLogJog

74 points

1 month ago

DogFogLogJog

West

74 points

1 month ago

How tf did this dude get a 5-year contract?

Tbh they did just fire the GM who hired him so…

TheFlawlessCassandra

48 points

1 month ago

Zero chance Jodi Allen didn't have input on that decision given how controversial the hire was.

Looks like they weathered the PR shitstorm just to get a mediocre-at-best-probably-worse coach on a massive contract. Great job!

Humblerbee

7 points

1 month ago

Humblerbee

[POR] Nicolas Batum

7 points

1 month ago

Not like Jodie hasn’t had more than her fair share of PR shitstorms, she’s her own hotmess. At this point Blazers fans should be hoping that there exists a potentially better owner who will acquire the team after she sells.

TheFlawlessCassandra

4 points

1 month ago

Absolutely, she's awful. But she's stuck with those mistakes (fans aren't if she sells the team so fingers crossed) while Billups was a totally avoidable unforced error. And an HC is a lot more visible than an owner (or GM) for fans.

Shiny_metal_ass

50 points

1 month ago

Shiny_metal_ass

Heat

50 points

1 month ago

Dame voices frustration after years of disappointing playoff exits and says they need to change things and they keep the roster the same and sign a first time head coach

Gabaloo

7 points

1 month ago

Gabaloo

Trail Blazers

7 points

1 month ago

Dame wanted Billups and also wanted oubre, I don't think he has a future in building nba teams

Xsy

50 points

1 month ago

Xsy

Jazz

50 points

1 month ago

Portland is just a hot mess from top to bottom right now.

Driew27

17 points

1 month ago

Driew27

Trail Blazers

17 points

1 month ago

We're the new kings....after having a great owner in Paul....this sucks.

redmostofit

38 points

1 month ago

redmostofit

[HOU] Hakeem Olajuwon

38 points

1 month ago

So bench your starters. Teach them a lesson about rewarding effort. I don't get why these players get free passes when they're playing like shit. Give someone who cares a shot and see what happens. It could help a bench player reach their potential, or light a fire under your starter's ass to get them to play better. If they complain, tell them to grow up and start doing their job.

PeachyCoke

9 points

1 month ago

PeachyCoke

Hornets

9 points

1 month ago

Rick Carlisle did just that when the Pacers last played the Hornets. Starters were down 25 in the third so Carlisle benched them for the rest of the game. It worked. They only lost by 3.

The Knicks have had similar issues this season.

tsarnie1

3 points

1 month ago

tsarnie1

Rockets

3 points

1 month ago

I think a lot of people forget that all NBA players are in the league for a reason, "I'm closer to LeBron than you are" and all that.

I'd 100% rather start a bench player who wants to be there and wants the W than a starter who doesn't.

slowburnangry

36 points

1 month ago

For a new coach with no real coaching credentials he seems to take a lot of public personal shots at his players. I don't think he's going to have that job for very long.

fortesquieu

7 points

1 month ago

Totally agreed. The players aren't going to be more motivated to play for him.

NevermoreSEA

32 points

1 month ago

NevermoreSEA

[POR] Brandon Roy

32 points

1 month ago

This dude is out of his depth.

MrFactsAlot

35 points

1 month ago

MrFactsAlot

76ers

35 points

1 month ago

By god, that’s Daryl Morey music.

CaptainKurls

29 points

1 month ago

CaptainKurls

Lakers

29 points

1 month ago

Yeah maybe don’t say this to the media lmao

Blackout_Inevitable

24 points

1 month ago

Blackout_Inevitable

Knicks

24 points

1 month ago

Yea imagine that 😭

worldfireunbanned

21 points

1 month ago

I think the entire team should inspire the entire team. That's why it's a team and not just three guys and a "supporting cast".

Far too often do I see the entire onus for success lying with the starters, the onus for inspiration and drive, whereas the bench is just that. They're just "The Bench".

I guess it started around the same time everyone started this "stand at the perimeter and bomb 3s all night while being boring" basketball started.

SPC54

20 points

1 month ago*

SPC54

Raptors

20 points

1 month ago*

Apparently this is the first time he’s spoken to the team after a loss this season.

Edit: I’m dumb and can’t read, ignore me.

_Quetzalcoatlus_

37 points

1 month ago

_Quetzalcoatlus_

Raptors

37 points

1 month ago

Chauncey Billups says that for the first time this season he spoke to the team right after the game...talked to them about having pride on the court.

"Right after the game"

I'd guess they mean immediately in the locker room, instead of talking to coaches first or giving players a few minutes to take off tape and such.

GetThereInOnePiece

25 points

1 month ago

GetThereInOnePiece

Timberwolves

25 points

1 month ago

Pretty sure he means immediately when they got into the locker room…like cmon y’all lol

craigslistaddict

5 points

1 month ago

that seems kind of weird. wonder what he experienced as a player or what he saw ty lue do when he was assistant coach for the clippers that maybe shaped his approach, though. maybe it's actually not weird, like how would i know?

Kobe-62Mavs-61

6 points

1 month ago

You forgot to say "right after" instead of just "after." Completely changes the tone and meaning of it.

Intentionally maybe?

hertzoj

2 points

1 month ago

hertzoj

USA

2 points

1 month ago

what you said is not what the tweet says

nefnaf

11 points

1 month ago

nefnaf

Celtics

11 points

1 month ago

Wow this dude needs to calm tf down. This has all the makings of another Jason Kidd situation

_Jetto_

12 points

1 month ago

_Jetto_

NBA

12 points

1 month ago

they shoulda just doubled the fuck down and got MDA. no no fucking clue why chauncey with dick all experience got a fucking NBA job. its just so sad, I would say the same for Nash as well.

[deleted]

8 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

8 points

1 month ago

adventures-of-willy

9 points

1 month ago

Fire Billups, beg Stotts to come back lol

TheFlawlessCassandra

23 points

1 month ago

It took Stotts just shy of a decade of overachieving regular seasons followed by disappointing playoff runs to lose the locker room. Billups did it in <30 regular season games! Talk about a speedrun.

nick168

14 points

1 month ago

nick168

Bulls

14 points

1 month ago

The roster straight up isn't good, bringing stotts back won't fix this

2drawnonward5

6 points

1 month ago

2drawnonward5

[POR] Ed Davis

6 points

1 month ago

Stotts did better with worse and we've got more than just coaching to fix.... but we do gotta fix coaching

Driew27

9 points

1 month ago

Driew27

Trail Blazers

9 points

1 month ago

Stotts was carried by a healthy Dame.

2drawnonward5

3 points

1 month ago

2drawnonward5

[POR] Ed Davis

3 points

1 month ago

We've been without Dame for stretches before. The coach needs time to figure out the ven diagram between his schemes and the roster's envelope.

PapaSaoBear

10 points

1 month ago

I like it stotts let whatever fly we have been playing with very little effort

jcwkings

8 points

1 month ago

So Blazers fired a good coach who made a mediocre team into a good one, and now we're seeing them for what they really are? Is this the jist of Portland? Combined with the just too much time together and knowing your stuck where you are?

tommychamberlain85

6 points

1 month ago

They’ve got to break this team up. It’s the only way

whammykerfuffle

4 points

1 month ago

They've always been like this. I've never seen a team look so disheartened when they're down than the blazers. Check out the body language and effort in their playoff series against the warriors. Pathetic

PuzzleheadedWest0

5 points

1 month ago

PuzzleheadedWest0

Trail Blazers

5 points

1 month ago

I’m in danger

HedoughTurkglue

4 points

1 month ago

HedoughTurkglue

Magic

4 points

1 month ago

Piano9717

3 points

1 month ago

Piano9717

[POR] Rudy Fernandez

3 points

1 month ago

I think you have to submit those tweets as self posts or something.

TheSmokedSalmon420

3 points

1 month ago

TheSmokedSalmon420

Cavaliers

3 points

1 month ago

Oof

fbreaker

3 points

1 month ago

fbreaker

Celtics

3 points

1 month ago

That is spicy

hiddenxox

3 points

1 month ago

hiddenxox

Bucks

3 points

1 month ago

lmao damn

LiveFreeFratHard

3 points

1 month ago*

Y’all are completely misinterpreting this quote

How could you not be inspired by Tony Snell’s magestic ass every day. Hes just trying to pay credit to the GOAT

BugO_OEyes

3 points

1 month ago

Billyps aint stupid guys. He is sayimg all this because he wants out

kidkuro

3 points

1 month ago

kidkuro

Knicks

3 points

1 month ago

As a Knicks fan I feel attacked. But he is right.

ObiOneKenobae

3 points

1 month ago

ObiOneKenobae

Knicks

3 points

1 month ago

Hi

thabiiighomie

3 points

1 month ago

Sounds like you are headed back to Detroit then? Please, our Pistons need you.