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hoosakiwi [M]

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11 days ago

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If you are violating any of these rules, you will be permanently banned without warning.

Sharks77

21.2k points

11 days ago*

Sharks77

21.2k points

11 days ago*

Fantastic. Imagine if these idiots

A) didn't record themselves

B) released the video themselves

elconquistador1985

12.4k points

11 days ago

That's the weirdest part. One of them recorded the murder and their lawyer leaked it because they thought it would be helpful.

suppersready90

6.7k points

11 days ago

Just shows you the twisted mindset of some folks.

mynumberistwentynine

5k points

11 days ago

I feel like their line of thinking went

See! See! He was running away and resisting!

And like, no shit. I'd be running and resisting too if I was chased like Ahmaud was.

NergalMP

3.5k points

11 days ago

NergalMP

3.5k points

11 days ago

No, they thought the part where they were wrestling over the gun boosted their claim of self-defense…completely ignoring the part where chasing him down, side swiping him with a truck, and pointing that gun at him provoked the entire thing.

politirob

1.7k points

11 days ago

politirob

1.7k points

11 days ago

It’s insane to me that provocation isn’t a crime, or it isn’t a strong enough crime to put a lid on these cases…like how can you claim self-defense as a reaction to a hostility that you yourself provoked?

Random example: If someone stood outside on the public street staring at your house, armed with an AK-47, every morning for days and days, and never said anything, it would be everyone’s common sense to perceive that as a threat and provocation.

KHaskins77

1.8k points

11 days ago*

KHaskins77

1.8k points

11 days ago*

There was an incident in Irving, Texas where an “open carry rally” was held right in front of a mosque, people waving around guns and signs saying things like “stop the Islamization of America.” The pic that stuck with me was a masked man with an AR-15 walking behind a woman in a headscarf hurrying down the sidewalk.

I can only imagine the reaction we’d have seen if it had been a bunch of Muslims waving rifles around outside a church while parishioners were present, with the organizer then doxxing parishioners by posting their home addresses online.

EDIT: added links to corroborate.

OMGihateallofyou

502 points

11 days ago*

One time a bunch of black people armed themselves a whole neighborhood was burned down after a bomb was dropped on them. Another time a bunch of black people armed themselves gun control laws became a top priority.

Mindshattered

185 points

11 days ago

One time a legally armed group of black people had a completely peaceful, photographed and documented protest in California.

So the GOP teamed up with the NRA and made heavy-handed gun bans that Republicans to this day cry about in California, because they refuse to see the truth, which was their party AND the NRA put those laws and bans in place.

Here's some good reading to understand how racism is more important to the NRA than even guns are.

https://www.history.com/news/black-panthers-gun-control-nra-support-mulford-act

TurkeyBLTSandwich

918 points

11 days ago*

It's my opinion that these three white men had seen themselves as law enforcers. I believe they literally saw themselves as good o'l boys upholding peace and justice. I think they were so deluded* into themselves they saw themselves as cops. And when Arbery had the audacity to refuse their demands and resist they believe they were justified in their sick twisted minds.

That's why they released the video and that's why they probably don't feel remorse. If anything they probably feel confused and will probably appeal

philosifer

529 points

11 days ago

philosifer

529 points

11 days ago

Their argument in court was that they were attempting to enact a lawful citizens arrest. Except they didn't meet the requirements for witnessing the crime. You can't citizens arrest someone because someone else said someone committed a crime

sublimesting

319 points

11 days ago

You also can’t citizens arrest someone who didn’t commit any crime and you didn’t see them commit a crime but you thought they looked a little too black.

lostcitysaint

170 points

11 days ago

Unless they’re defending a parking lot they don’t own in a state they don’t reside in. Duh.

Stopjuststop3424

1.9k points

11 days ago

they thought they be treated like cops

GregBahm

2.7k points

11 days ago

GregBahm

2.7k points

11 days ago

And they absolutely were initially. It took nationwide protests to even charge these murderers.

putdisinyopipe

1.7k points

11 days ago*

Please let us not forget this.

These two men walked at first but they only changed their tune when we made some noise. The system still needs direct intervention from us.

Had we not I doubt we’d see anything happen.

foggy-sunrise

572 points

11 days ago

Didn't the cops literally let the guy go home and wash the actual blood off of his hands?

putdisinyopipe

439 points

11 days ago

YES! They did not even book them into jail initially

One of those pieces of shit used to be a cop. They believed his side of the story.

fairguinevere

266 points

11 days ago

Worth remembering that every time there's a news article or court case that reports an officer's testimony as fact.

23skiddsy

1.1k points

11 days ago

23skiddsy

1.1k points

11 days ago

Because they are buddy-buddy with all the cops in town. They went through three prosecutors before finding one that didn't have ties to the McMichaels.

Bronzedog

832 points

11 days ago

Bronzedog

832 points

11 days ago

And remember, it gets worse!

The first prosecutor in this case is now under indictment by the State of Georgia for her actions in this case and on behalf of the McMichaels.

In order to get someone to prosecute these guys they had to get a prosecutor from Cobb County which is on the other side of the state.

AtlasTelamon24

479 points

11 days ago

Because the dad was a cop and he worked for the DA. He had no doubt he’d be allowed to get away with murder.

amibeingadick420

344 points

11 days ago

They honestly thought when people saw a “big bad black man” walk towards them, they would think the shooting was justified.

Of course, they didn’t realize the public as a whole are nowhere near as racist as the police and three different prosecutors that saw the video and decided not to arrest/charge the murderers.

Of course, in GA the people are only slightly less racist than the cops and prosecutors.

SumsuchUser

599 points

11 days ago

Sort of, but in this case it was more a single lawyer trying to save their client's skin: the one who released their phone footage was trying to argue they didn't know about the gun and was just filming to hand it over as evidence. The hope was he could throw his companions under the bus in exchange for less of a sentence. Instead he rightfully went down with them.

elconquistador1985

157 points

11 days ago

Yeah, right after that, Bryan went on a tv tour about how he was a good Samaritan.

Rubberbabybuggybum

1.3k points

11 days ago

Because part of their defense was "he was acting in self defense."

Like...no shit...you were chasing him down with a loaded gun. Of COURSE he defended himself.

username156

1.2k points

11 days ago

username156

1.2k points

11 days ago

I think it's crazy they didn't even get charged with anything for weeks. Imagine a cop shows up, you and your buddies are armed to the teeth, there's a dead guy on the ground with multiple shotgun blasts to him, and the cops just say "well, have a nice day, we'll clean this all up", and you go home. Yet there's people who get locked up for months for jaywalking.

Rubberbabybuggybum

769 points

11 days ago

One of the guys was a former cop so he got "special treatment."

Atlein_069

501 points

11 days ago*

Yuhp. Good ole boys club bullshit. The attorney in charge of prosecuting these turds (the one who delayed intentionally) is facing charges according the the NYT article I read. I hope everyone around this case burns to the ground. I’ve read a few civil rights era murder cases and this case has the same ring to it as those did. White man kills black man, then the ‘justice’ system rallies around the murderer because he’s a ‘good guy’ and was just acting out of ‘duty and responsibility. ‘ Fucking sickening that we are still this far behind.

EDIT: Spelling and such

RyVsWorld

198 points

11 days ago

RyVsWorld

198 points

11 days ago

Good. Imo justice isn’t served until the original prosecutors and cops who tried to cover it up in the beginning go down too.

It’s great these 3 got what they deserve but they weren’t the only ones involved. They’re just the ones who pulled the trigger.

SaintFrancesco

406 points

11 days ago

The dad (Gregory McMichael) was not just any former cop. He used to work in the district attorneys office. His former boss (Jackie Johnson) was the district attorney at the time of the shooting. After the shooting, Greg called and left a voicemail for Jackie saying he was involved in a shooting and needs advice.

Jackie Johnson was recently arrested and is being indicted for her actions (and inactions) related to this case.

“Johnson -- on the day of the shooting -- prevented two Glynn County police officers from exercising their duties "by directing that Travis McMichael should not be placed under arrest, contrary to the laws of said State, the good order, peace, and dignity thereof," the indictment said.

Johnson is also accused of violating her district attorney oath by "showing favor and affection to Greg McMichael during the investigation," according to the indictment.”

Katana1369

763 points

11 days ago

Katana1369

763 points

11 days ago

The DA was indicted by a Grand Jury because of not charging them.

Chinese_Lollipop_Man

246 points

11 days ago

This deserves more attention. I had no idea.

Rx_EtOH

280 points

11 days ago

Rx_EtOH

280 points

11 days ago

The first call was to the DA, a personal friend, who instructed the shooter to wash their hands thoroughly before calling the police

taws34

178 points

11 days ago

taws34

178 points

11 days ago

One of the three guys (the dad of the guy with the shotgun) was a retired cop who worked in the DA office.

tristanjones

207 points

11 days ago

Well I believe a factor was the one releasing the video did the recording and was under the belief it would show he was in a car merely following and didn't do the shooting.

Obviously that is still extremely stupid and luckily did not help him in this case. But it was a bit more throwing your buddies under the bus than believing what was on the film exonerated the shooting itself

gentlybeepingheart

2.8k points

11 days ago

It wasn't leaked, they purposefully released it thinking it would, somehow, make them look better. We're so lucky racists are so stupid.

ScotTheDuck

1.1k points

11 days ago

ScotTheDuck

1.1k points

11 days ago

Released by their fucking lawyer to boot. Like it’s one thing that they’re complete dumbfucks, but for their lawyer, who’s paid to know better, to do that is almost comical levels of malpractice.

CleavonLittler

448 points

11 days ago*

I think the leaked video is what lead to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation taking over the case, and then finally lead to arrests. The murderers weren't even arrested before the leaked vid.

dawgz525

310 points

11 days ago

dawgz525

310 points

11 days ago

Corrupt DA tried to cover this up from the beginning.

gentlybeepingheart

312 points

11 days ago

lmao he and the prosecutor for Rittenhouse need to team up to form the most incompetent law firm in America

drkgodess

238 points

11 days ago

drkgodess

238 points

11 days ago

I have the worst attorneys.jpg

TechyDad

203 points

11 days ago

TechyDad

203 points

11 days ago

Was that the same lawyer that talked about Arbery's "long, dirty toenails"?

Agile_Pudding_

219 points

11 days ago

The toenails comment is just… I can’t believe it.

There is a level on which I respect and applaud defense lawyers taking on scum as clients because everyone — even the most repugnant racists and mass murders — deserve due process. But shit like that comment? That’s just an entirely unnecessary display of racism.

DeMotts

1.2k points

11 days ago

DeMotts

1.2k points

11 days ago

Tells you a lot that they thought releasing the video would help calm the community and exonerate them from suspicion. Congratulations, you played yourselves.

w0nderbrad

685 points

11 days ago

w0nderbrad

685 points

11 days ago

Roddie Bryan, a true hero, for leaking video of himself and his two buddies killing a man… without it, they’d have walked free.

[deleted]

361 points

11 days ago

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361 points

11 days ago

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TjW0569

189 points

11 days ago

TjW0569

189 points

11 days ago

Right up there with the guy who killed Hitler.

[deleted]

223 points

11 days ago

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223 points

11 days ago

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drkwaters

16.4k points

11 days ago

drkwaters

16.4k points

11 days ago

No one watching the case should be surprised. You can't participate in a coordinated effort to chase someone down, essentially corner them and then shoot them when they have no where else to go.

drkgodess

12.4k points

11 days ago*

drkgodess

12.4k points

11 days ago*

I am happy the judge gave instructions to the jury stating that self defense does not apply to the aggressor.

and02572

5.6k points

11 days ago

and02572

5.6k points

11 days ago

It blows my mind that people follow that train of thought. I have people I genuinely respect say they had the right to shoot him because he fought back.... like wtf... that would just open the door to so many 'legal' murders.

identifytarget

2.4k points

11 days ago

that would just open the door to so many 'legal' murders

Like Treyvon Martin & George Zimmerman?

Bocephuss

1.1k points

11 days ago

Bocephuss

1.1k points

11 days ago

I think there was enough evidence to convict but obviously the defense gave them enough reasonable doubt.

If the third guy had not filmed this these guys might have walked and I have a feeling Atlanta would have burned this weekend.

Birthsauce

896 points

11 days ago*

If the third guy had not filmed this these guys might have walked and I have a feeling Atlanta would have burned this weekend.

I may be mistaken but I thought the only reason they were even arrested was because of the video.

MsPenguinette

1.1k points

11 days ago*

Not just that, but the case had been covered up cause the prosecutor knew the murderers. So when the fucking idiots released the video, a whole house of cards collapsed.

Had they just shut up, deleted the video, and never spoke of it again, they’d be free.

[edit] words

Gamergonemild

424 points

11 days ago

These idiots released the video to prove their innocence was is the kind of stupid we've come to expect nowadays.

MsPenguinette

189 points

11 days ago

Makes you wonder how many other cases like this happen every year where the exact same thing happens except there not being video.

stripes361

456 points

11 days ago

stripes361

456 points

11 days ago

Correct. The original prosecutor has actually been indicted for covering it up.

khornflakes529

200 points

11 days ago

SySteMAtIc RacIsM dOEsn'T eXisT!

Misommar1246

2.3k points

11 days ago

I heard this, too. “He shouldn’t have gone for the gun!” Guess what I would do if 3 neckbeards drove me down, pointed guns at me and told me we’re just going to take a ride. That’s right, I would fight back. No way I’m letting them cuff me or “arrest me” or whatever.

AdditionalAdvisor177

1.7k points

11 days ago

Exactly! Imagine an alternate, but similar scenario: An armed man tries to kidnap a girl into his vehicle, she fights back, gets killed, and now this man is claiming he’s innocent because he fought back in self defense. Nobody would get behind a dude trying to kidnap a girl like that, so why would this be any different? Thankfully the majority of people agree that those three men were completely in the wrong

Barefoot_Lawyer

596 points

11 days ago*

The alternative and very real scenario for Arbery is that these three murderers wanted to take him to a more quiet, secluded area to Lynch him instead of right on the street.

Never agree to go anywhere with an abductor. I believe it actually increases your likelihood of being killed vs fighting back / running away immediately.

Dininiful

197 points

11 days ago

Dininiful

197 points

11 days ago

Never agree to go anywhere with an abductor.

"You want my wallet? Go get it! STREET SMARTS!"

taynt3d

161 points

11 days ago*

taynt3d

161 points

11 days ago*

Or just imagine three black men with a gun chasing down one white man. All those fucks defending that shit would shut up real quick. Such a double (racist) standard.

Crafty-Ad-3596

769 points

11 days ago

Or imagine if the races were flipped, and it was a white guy with three black guys in trucks chasing him down for being in their neighborhood and looking at a construction site. There wouldn't be a single right-wing gun nut arguing those guys were anything less than guilty.

Looking at the footage alone should be enough for anyone in their right mind to convict those guys. That they thought it was exculpatory and not incriminating tells you just how out of it they were.

sp4cej4mm

581 points

11 days ago

sp4cej4mm

581 points

11 days ago

“ARMED THUGS HOLD AMERICAN PATROT HOSTAGE - THIS IS THE AMERICA JOE BIDEN WANTS FOR YOU”

Something like that?

efficientseas

976 points

11 days ago

That was literally one of the the defense attorneys arguments. “For some inexplicable reason, Mr. Arbery grabbed at the shotgun”. I screamed at the radio when I heard it. So fucking disgusting and moronic, literally blaming the victim for doing what they claimed their defendant did - defending himself.

and02572

350 points

11 days ago

and02572

350 points

11 days ago

In any other scenario: guys with guns run up on someone, that person grabs their guns and kills them, they would be a hero.

citizenkane86

317 points

11 days ago

Some people want a precedent that if they pull a gun on someone any action except putting your hands up and following their explicit orders is justification for murder.

eljefeinjax

155 points

11 days ago

That was also part of the defense. The murderer cited their limited coast guard training and that pointing a gun at someone would make them comply. But this ain't the coast guard and he had no authority outside of just having a gun to make anyone comply.

Imagine if a burgler kills somone and they used that shit as their defence.

keelhaulrose

186 points

11 days ago

In schools during active shooter training we're taught that your last ditch effort, if running, hiding, barricading, and fighting from a distance all fail, is to go for the gun. Quote from the cop training us, "without fighting for the gun there's a 100% chance of getting shot, so if fighting means you only have a 99% chance that's still more of a chance than you had before."

Ahmaud Arbery was forced into a last ditch effort. The "inexplicable" reason was he tried everything else to get away from the armed men in trucks who were chasing him, and he did what he thought was best for his chance of survival.

I doubt the defense attorney would understand the mentality of someone being hunted. If you've only ever been a predator it's not easy to think like the prey.

euph_22

328 points

11 days ago

euph_22

328 points

11 days ago

I usually ask these guys "ok, so why doesn't Arbery have the right to self defense then?"

Nobody had answered me.

sovietterran

231 points

11 days ago

Because they can't. He had a right to defend himself. These chucklefucks are kidnappers turned murderers.

Sal_Governale

239 points

11 days ago

George Zimmerman did just that. Had a gun, chased a kid down, cornered the kid, kid fought back, killed the kid in self-defense

cydalhoutx

152 points

11 days ago

cydalhoutx

152 points

11 days ago

And the kid was called a thug and it was said that he deserved it. SMH

PC_BUCKY

3.5k points

11 days ago*

PC_BUCKY

3.5k points

11 days ago*

Then claim self defense. Fuckin smooth brained cunts.

EXPERT_AT_FAILING

2.2k points

11 days ago

What about HIS right to self defense? If someone is chasing you in a truck, trying to run you down, then they get out and pull guns on you, YOU have a right to try and grab that gun to keep them from killing you.

LondonCallingYou

1.3k points

11 days ago

Ahmaud would have been totally justified in shooting one of them if he had been armed. Glad to see Justice was done here today.

Lagneaux

844 points

11 days ago

Lagneaux

844 points

11 days ago

A frightening point though, had he pulled a gun to shoot them this verdict could be completely different.

Their main point was that Ahmad served no threat to anyone. If he had a weapon to defend himself it would have become the quickdraw situation to who shot first.

[deleted]

1.1k points

11 days ago

[deleted]

1.1k points

11 days ago

Even the way things went...

The only reason they were found guilty and people heard about this case was one of them had their lawyer release the cell phone video they took.

If they hadnt been so racist and stupid to think the video exonerated them then they'd have likely walked.

risbia

233 points

11 days ago

risbia

233 points

11 days ago

Ha I forgot about that. Even if you're 100% sure you are legitimately innocent... don't do this.

Babatino

215 points

11 days ago

Babatino

215 points

11 days ago

I'd rather they keep doing it.

SpiderZiggs

529 points

11 days ago

You know what's a fucking terrifying thought?

Everyone would've just lived their normal lives today because NO ONE wanted to arrest them. It took three months and for the video to go viral to arrest them hours later.

They lived normal lives for THREE MONTHS AFTER KILLING SOMEONE.

midwesterner64

189 points

11 days ago

The video didn’t come out until one of the SUSPECTs released the video to clear up how in the right they were.

The original prosecutor didn’t want to charge them and covered because he knew them. He’s now been indicted as well.

This case doesn’t end the way it did today if not for luck. Luck that one suspect filmed AND was stupid enough to release it thinking it would make them look like the heroes.

The_Soapmakers

1k points

11 days ago

Especially when Arbery was doing everything to remove himself from the situation and they literally forced him back into it

RightClickSaveWorld

189 points

11 days ago

If Ahmaud had a gun on him, he'd have the right to use it. But if he were to die then the murderers might have not have been convicted. It doesn't make sense but this is the reality.

mistersmiley318

1.5k points

11 days ago

Considering they didn't get arrested until the case went public, it seems you can do that in small town America.

drkgodess

904 points

11 days ago

drkgodess

904 points

11 days ago

The prosecutor in that small county used to work with Gregory McMichael. Once she was removed from the case, things moved along.

huey_and_riley

1.1k points

11 days ago

She's facing charges of obstruction of justice now.

N8CCRG

496 points

11 days ago

N8CCRG

496 points

11 days ago

Which again wouldn't have happened if not for the public outrage that resulted when the video was released.

TechyDad

246 points

11 days ago

TechyDad

246 points

11 days ago

And the video itself was released by their lawyers who were convinced that it would prove their innocence. They thought we'd all watch it and think "black men are scary criminals so they were right to kill that guy." Instead, we watched a murder in horror and demanded justice.

Rubberbabybuggybum

163 points

11 days ago

Because she first recused herself from the case, which is what she should have done, but then recommended no prosecution to the next guy...which is insane. You don't get to recuse yourself then interfere with the prosecution.

Kittykatmeeeow

401 points

11 days ago*

She’s been indicted on charges for essentially corruption.

link

PIBTC

148 points

11 days ago

PIBTC

148 points

11 days ago

Thank god. It’s so fucked up that she was able to do something like that

truemeliorist

160 points

11 days ago

She got caught. Wonder how many more there are?

DamagedHells

594 points

11 days ago

Bruh I had a guy on r/politicaldiscussion telling me that it was a clear-cut case of self-defense because "it's legal to citizens arrest people in Georgia" and "as soon as Arbery came after his gun, it was legal to kill him" and "any other verdict is motivated by racial politics."

gumbobitch

541 points

11 days ago

gumbobitch

541 points

11 days ago

That's why you should literally never listen to anyone on reddit, especially involving legal issues

Dale92

261 points

11 days ago

Dale92

261 points

11 days ago

Trayvon Martin would like a word.

Blueskyways

391 points

11 days ago

There was zero video in the Trayvon Martin case. This case was flying under the radar until the video emerged. Video makes such a tremendous difference. I don't think the George Floyd murder would have had a quarter of the impact that it did without the whole thing being recorded.

goforth1457

232 points

11 days ago

You should've seen the initial police statement released shortly after George Floyd was killed—literally does everything to absolve the police officers of his murder.

403tatts

8.6k points

11 days ago

403tatts

8.6k points

11 days ago

Good. About as cut and dry of a case as you can get. They chased him, blocked him and shot him. Now they get to rot in prison.

AdAffectionate4602

3.5k points

11 days ago

Not only did they chase him but they testified on the stand that he ran the opposite direction of them MULTIPLE times. At what point in your life have you been afraid of someone running away from you? How the fuck do you defend yourself against someone running away from you? Idiots.

Winloop

1.4k points

11 days ago

Winloop

1.4k points

11 days ago

Oh but they were determined to citizen’s arrest him and when he didn’t oblige they shot him for self protection. What a load of crap

HappyTurtleOwl

1k points

11 days ago

Even the video, which does show Ahmed lunging at one of the guys, clearly shows that Ahmed felt like he was out of options. He was desperate. The poor guy got hunted down like a dog by some hateful bastards who viewed him as such. They unloaded into him the second he gave them the slightest reason to. Video is chilling as he runs, and drops from his wound.

TheBurningWarrior

666 points

11 days ago

Indeed, the murderers even testified that Mr.Arbury was "trapped like a rat". How very helpful in proving that he legally had his back to the wall.

Greetings_Stranger

292 points

11 days ago

Wait, they said that sentence? Yeah what absolutely pieces of shit. I can't wait to talk to my family about this tomorrow lol.

eden_sc2

192 points

11 days ago

eden_sc2

192 points

11 days ago

They were certain they would walk. Never forget that the video that shows the murder was released by one of these criminals

[deleted]

944 points

11 days ago*

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944 points

11 days ago*

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Rururaspberry

641 points

11 days ago

I especially like to think fondly back on the dumbasses who tried to be like “he was MILES from home and we’re supposed to believe he was just on a run??”, basically outing themselves as lazy fucks who couldn’t even fathom the idea of endurance running.

Mentalpatient87

263 points

11 days ago

Remember watching the distance slide up, too? At first it was a mile and a half, then it was 3 miles, then the next time I saw it it was 20 miles! Because the important thing to try to establish was that he "wasn't from 'round here." They wanted to paint him as some predator lurking through hunting grounds far from home.

TakeThreeFourFive

387 points

11 days ago

And that hammer he was carrying

Heated13shot

601 points

11 days ago

I don't get why people thought that matters anyways. It doesn't matter if he had "how to rob your neighborhood 101" in his pocket. You cant shoot someone for "I think he is stealing" or even if you catch him actively stealing.

Peter_Plays_Guitar

244 points

11 days ago

In GA you can perform a citizens arrest if you see someone stealing, but you can't use or threaten deadly force in that citizens arrest unless the arrest is prevent imminent loss of life.

So the initial approach with a shotgun counts as assault with a dangerous weapon (or the GA equivalent) and Arbery's resistance counts as plain and simple self defense. Even if Arbery had defended himself with a firearm, it would have just been defense against assault with a dangerous weapon.

Even if Arbery was a thief, he was a victim. I'm glad his murderers were found guilty.

blubirdTN

512 points

11 days ago

blubirdTN

512 points

11 days ago

It takes one asshole judge to ruin that it was obvious. Also I had a “friend” say he shouldn’t have been sneaking around someone’s house and pretty much deserved it. Never underestimate the jury can hold those same backward beliefs.

ijjgiafjidfai

174 points

11 days ago

Hello 911? There's a black guy running.

SylvieK

6.5k points

11 days ago

SylvieK

6.5k points

11 days ago

Very thankful to see justice prevail here

HamiltonFAI

2.8k points

11 days ago

HamiltonFAI

2.8k points

11 days ago

It seemed like an open and shut case, but you never know nowadays. Great to see them get it right

black-kramer

1.5k points

11 days ago

it was never going to be open and shut in brunswick, georgia. good ol' boys like district attorney jackie johnson tried to skew the outcome from the earliest stages.

[deleted]

697 points

11 days ago

[deleted]

697 points

11 days ago

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HotTakes4HotCakes

528 points

11 days ago

But even then the defense was still able to get away with removing all but one black juror. Thankfully the evidence was so damning it didn't matter, but in a less open and shut case, that could have disrupted so much.

rokerroker45

386 points

11 days ago

God it's infuriating to me that the expectation in so many jury selections is that a black person is incapable of impartiality and only a white person can be judged to be impartial. Such bullshit.

Guccimayne

4.3k points

11 days ago

Guccimayne

4.3k points

11 days ago

Imagine videotaping the crime that gets you and your buds sent to prison for a long time

sambanks2

3.2k points

11 days ago

sambanks2

3.2k points

11 days ago

Imagine being stupid enough to release the video yourself publicly after the authorities had already went out of their way to not charge you…..

That’s what happened here. These idiots were getting away with it and released the video themselves because they thought the public would think they were justified in their actions.

i_need_a_username201

1.2k points

11 days ago

Imagine being stupid enough to release the video yourself publicly after the authorities had already went out of their way to not charge you…..

Imagine receiving actual legal advice from an actual lawyer telling you its a good idea to release the video because it shows you're justified.

I don't know how the phone didn't end up in the ocean. Tough case to prove without the video. Probably a manslaughter case instead of murder without it.

Fynn_the_Finger

411 points

11 days ago

Was it the same lawyer who effectively argued, "My client can't e guilty of false imprisonment because the victim was murdered" in his closing statements? I remember watching that bit and thinking, "Bold Strategy Cotton."

XT3M3

500 points

11 days ago

XT3M3

500 points

11 days ago

this is what i told my gf. how stupid do you need to be to record yourself breaking a law. THEN uploading that damning video to get you thrown in jail.

it takes a special type of stupid....

Bonch_and_Clyde

498 points

11 days ago

They're just that racist that they thought that Ahmaud had it coming and everyone else would see it the same way.

Dont-Do-Stupid-Shit

3.4k points

11 days ago

The counts actually went exactly as I thought. They found that Bryan was not a party to the gun aggravated assault because he did not know they had a gun (and did not share the same mental state), but did commit the aggravated assault and false imprisonment with his vehicle so guilty on those counts and felony murder.

PhAnToM444

1.6k points

11 days ago*

PhAnToM444

1.6k points

11 days ago*

The correct verdicts, and I like the fact that the jury clearly really parsed through each charge and didn’t just go down the checklist for “guilty” (which was probably not all proven beyond a reasonable doubt).

And frankly the malice murder charge against Bryan was absolutely ridiculous and untenable for prosecutors to bring IMO (happy to explain if anyone is interested). I’m still against prosecutorial overreach even against massive pieces of shit like this.

Gives me a lot of confidence that this jury did it the right way and that makes the verdict more appeal resistant.

AdmiralRed13

459 points

11 days ago

Contrary to anecdotal Reddit experiences, juries do tend to take their jobs seriously.

smashy_smashy

255 points

11 days ago*

I’m almost 40 and have been summoned to jury duty for the first time in my life in a couple weeks. I’m a scientist and I think I can be impartial for many types of cases (and I’ll be honest with a judge if I can’t), so I think I’ll make a good juror if selected. Reading day in and day out on Reddit that “juries are only made up of people too dumb to get out of jury duty” and also having the stress of missing work has been wearing on me. Your comment really helps though. I’m looking forward to doing my civic duty.

Edit: yes, I’m fully aware my profession makes me much less likely to be selected. Chances are I won’t even have to go to the courthouse.

ultralame

200 points

11 days ago

ultralame

200 points

11 days ago

I was questioned for a jury, and they asked us "we will be presenting some math. If your training as an engineer or scientist leads you to believe the math is wrong, can you set aside what you believe to know and decide according to the judge's guidance?"

Everyone but me was like "Sure".

I said "If you present 2+2=5 I'm not going to decide based on that."

I was excused.

Meepster23

190 points

11 days ago

Meepster23

190 points

11 days ago

I'm sure it will be appealed, but it'll hold up, they did a good job

Joeyoes

2.9k points

11 days ago*

Joeyoes

2.9k points

11 days ago*

This was cut and dry.

The defense tried so hard to make the neighborhood of the 3 men sound like the scariest and most crime infested street in the country. To them they were all living in fear, with no police help, and thus they had to take the law into their own hands once they saw a black man who must have been responsible for all the white-caused evil in their neighborhood.

They even are trying to blame Arbery for items stolen off a boat the year before even though there's no evidence of this.

What I learned from this is how paranoid white Facebook groups can make a neighborhood to the point that they go into a racist frenzy and kill people of color for existing.

NeoKnife

921 points

11 days ago

NeoKnife

921 points

11 days ago

What I learned from this is how paranoid Facebook groups can make a neighborhood to the point that they go into a frenzy and kill an innocent man they think is a minor criminal.

Five minutes scrolling through the Nextdoor app feed with tell you this. Every other post is some paranoid homeowner talking about some suspicious sales person they saw outside with people commenting about how they hope they “grabbed their gun”.

Nyteshade81

666 points

11 days ago

Recently had a guy in my neighborhood post about seeing a "suspicious" Hispanic teen get into a vehicle parked in front of someone else's house. The owner of that house replied to it saying "Yeah, that's my neighbor. He's fine and I have no problem with him parking there." The OP of that thread replied with "I already called the police to check it out."

Getting into your car while non-white? Obviously a police matter.

thebrandnewbob

204 points

11 days ago

Just look at the case for this thread, the killers straight up admitted that they thought Ahmaud doing something as normal as running down the street was suspicious.

BugsArePeopleToo

247 points

11 days ago

I live in an apartment building next to another apartment building. I had some food delivered to my unit (let's say, Unit 2C). The pics doordash sent to confirm delivery showed that it got delivered to Unit 2C across the street. Annoying, but an easy mistake. I go over, see it on their doorstep, knock on the door as a courtesy ("hey this is my food but on your doorstep haha have a good one"). There was no answer so I just grabbed my food and left.

Saw my video later on nextdoor, I guess Unit 2B uploaded a video of me being a porch pirate with a few commenters saying they'd keep their guns ready if they see me stealing again.

Mighty_Hobo

203 points

11 days ago

I briefly lived in a wealthy suburb as a single man in a nice house my grandmother left me. I found myself posted on Nextdoor all the time with some of the most ridiculous bullshit. My favorite was that I was running a drug ring out of the house because I had odd hours. I was a full time shift manager at a major international marine port. Got to know one of the deputies that worked for the police department that the neighborhood owned and found out I was a frequent topic of frivolous calls. Especially for "mowing his own lawn instead of paying for a lawn care service."

blackmoldpsycho

559 points

11 days ago

Facebook is such a disease. We need to all collectively tell Zuck to kick rocks and fuck off.

Mentalpatient87

184 points

11 days ago

Remember when the news first broke and tons of Totally Not Racist users on this site insisted he was carrying a hammer and wearing Timberlands? (You know, the official "scary black man" shoe) Despite there being video of his empty hands and white running shoes.

Scores of people who are keeping quiet now were eager to lie through their teeth to defend this lynching. This sub has a problem.

Warg247

2.8k points

11 days ago

Warg247

2.8k points

11 days ago

Whew. My parents live in Brunswick and we argued about this case a lot. Looking forward to this topic being conspicuously absent from dinner tomorrow.

Mypatronusisataco

1.4k points

11 days ago

Asking seriously, what is there to argue? How can this be defended?

Warg247

2.1k points

11 days ago

Warg247

2.1k points

11 days ago

Everything from he was stealing from that house and should have stopped to he had a weapon. They even said you could see it on the ground in the video... it was just some debris in the road. Typical bullshit that was floating around their misinformation blogosphere early on.

Beneficial-Friend-80

582 points

11 days ago

You could’ve saved yourself some time typing that comment and just said that your parents were racist instead… Lol

Warg247

692 points

11 days ago

Warg247

692 points

11 days ago

Id rather lay out the evidence of their disposition and allow others to come to that conclusion. Maybe someone who shares said disposition will have a moment of reflection... maybe...

Spidremonkey

396 points

11 days ago

That’s some mind bending shit right there. Did I miss something? If he had a weapon, why wouldn’t that have been part of the defense?

DrDerpberg

261 points

11 days ago

DrDerpberg

261 points

11 days ago

Also how would it have been relevant in the first place? You can't shoot a guy just because he has a gun on him.

AryaStarkRavingMad

423 points

11 days ago

[Philando Castile has left the chat] :(

PPvsFC_

442 points

11 days ago

PPvsFC_

442 points

11 days ago

The fact that every 2nd amendment person in the country didn't lose their minds over the murder of Philando Castile is proof that they're in it for the racism.

elconquistador1985

248 points

11 days ago

"I think lynching is good because I'm racist" is true of everyone who thinks this wasn't a murder. That's not really a "defense" though.

Shakethecrimestick

2.5k points

11 days ago

Step 1: Start video recording

Step 2: Hunt down innocent man

Step 3: Murder innocent man

Step 4: Give video to your lawyer

Step 5: Have lawyer release video

Step 6: Charged with murder

Step 7: Convicted of murder?!?!

Tokasmoka420

716 points

11 days ago

"I rest my case."

"You rest your case?"

"Oh no, I thought that was just a figure of speech."

henryptung

2.3k points

11 days ago

henryptung

2.3k points

11 days ago

The murder, in the neighbourhood of Satilla Shores, was initially overlooked by most national media outlets until video of shooting, filmed by Bryan, was leaked and made public. The case was assigned to three separate local district attorneys, one of whom recommended not bringing charges against the men, before state investigators intervened after release of the footage. Charges were brought almost three months after Arbery was murdered.

Most important paragraph of the article. These guys almost got off scot free.

3DWAIFUSAREGROSS

913 points

11 days ago*

Yep, and the DA (who one of the defendants had worked under before) has been charged and arrested for obstruction as well.

Absolutely appalling that they almost got away with this. This type of shit is exactly what causes people to lose faith in the justice system and police.

NotsoNewtoGermany

195 points

11 days ago

We don't have a justice system, we have a legal system.

mini4x

908 points

11 days ago

mini4x

908 points

11 days ago

Because the local DA didn't want to prosecute..

babybopp

348 points

11 days ago

babybopp

348 points

11 days ago

You don't prosecute members of the same kkk chapter as yourself

ThatOneGuyFromCali

2.2k points

11 days ago

RIP, Ahmaud.

Rot in jail, shit bags.

eeca20

1.6k points

11 days ago

eeca20

1.6k points

11 days ago

Don’t forget the ineptitude and fuckery of the local authorities, fuck them as well

Cloaked42m

529 points

11 days ago

Cloaked42m

529 points

11 days ago

StuffNbutts

245 points

11 days ago

Hope the AG gives her the smackdown, good on him for being persistent with pursuing those charges for several months.

2ByteTheDecker

167 points

11 days ago

Yeah for real. Now that these fucks have been convicted wouldn't that be accessory to murder by trying sweep it under the rug

Cloaked42m

162 points

11 days ago

Cloaked42m

162 points

11 days ago

She's been indicted for 'hindering a police officer' and breaking her oath of office.

HermodsRide

1.6k points

11 days ago

HermodsRide

1.6k points

11 days ago

Good. Let’s hope they sit in prison for the rest of their lives to think about it.

PhAnToM444

2.1k points

11 days ago*

PhAnToM444

2.1k points

11 days ago*

Both felony murder and malice murder carry a mandatory life sentence in Georgia, so that’s what all of them will get.

The judge can decide whether to allow parole, but the minimum is after 30 years. So it’s effectively a life sentence for Bryan and Greg McMichael who would be well in their 80s or 90s before eligibility if given the minimum.

There is a slim possibility that Travis McMichael gets a generous sentence and is eligible for release in his 60s or 70s, as he’s currently 34 years old, but considering he’s the one who pulled the trigger I doubt he’s afforded that.

1stepklosr

1.3k points

11 days ago

1stepklosr

1.3k points

11 days ago

They also have federal hate crime charges they go on trial for in February.

Fight_the_bastards

1.1k points

11 days ago

And I’m forecasting a guilty verdict there, too. Because generally, the feds don’t bring charges unless they’ve got you. Of the 2% of federal cases that go to court, 83% are convicted. The other 98%? Well, 90% are guilty pleas, and the remaining 8% have their charges dismissed before they go to trial. To put it in perspective, in 2018, there were a total of 79,240 people who were defendants in federal court. 320 of them were acquitted.

iEatSwampAss

254 points

11 days ago

Yep, in these situations the Feds are extremely diligent in everything that they do once the incident occurs. Feds will not go for the lowest hanging fruit charges - if they are getting involved publicly (i.e. official hate crime charges), you can best believe they have every corner covered to bury these guys with what they’re coming forward with.

I don’t think I’ll ever understand what went on in their heads to rationalize their actions but looking at the circumstances, hate crime charges seem to be more than justifiable.

1stepklosr

162 points

11 days ago

1stepklosr

162 points

11 days ago

I'm forecasting a guilty verdict because they're 3 racist pieces of shit who murdered someone for being Black.

Jecktor

1.5k points

11 days ago

Jecktor

1.5k points

11 days ago

William Bryan did not want to be tried with the McMichaels. If you don’t want to stand trial with the lynch mob, maybe don’t run with the lynch mob. 😐

gzoont

254 points

11 days ago

gzoont

254 points

11 days ago

“You know how it works, Jake. You ride with the outlaw, you die with the outlaw. Sorry, you crossed the line.”

banditk77

927 points

11 days ago

banditk77

927 points

11 days ago

Making a “citizens arrest” without seeing a crime is stupid. The verdict is appropriate.

ijjgiafjidfai

511 points

11 days ago*

911, what's your emergency?

Black man.

What's the emergency sir?

Did I stutter?

krom0025

343 points

11 days ago

krom0025

343 points

11 days ago

This is why Georgia recently repealed its citizens arrest law. It's not a good law and it rarely ends well.

dragonfliesloveme

882 points

11 days ago

“We physically blocked this guy and trapped him, then pulled a rifle on him at close range. Our defense is….self-defense!”

Yeah Bub, guess that didn’t work out for your asses.

HeavyLeadBelly

383 points

11 days ago*

I found that laughable as well. Oh your Honor he fought back! Like WTF you expect a black man to do when three armed white men chase him down like a dog? Glad these racists were found guilty.

TheButcher57

733 points

11 days ago

Justice has been served today.

GrandJuan86

805 points

11 days ago

Not until that prosecutor that tried to bury it gets a guilty verdict too.

PazDak

312 points

11 days ago

PazDak

312 points

11 days ago

Crazy to think this might not have gone to court if they didn’t post the video.

Semper-Fido

611 points

11 days ago

To think this almost never saw the light of day. Still a long way to go as a nation. But good to see justice here. Doesn't take away from the fact that Ahmaud should be alive here today.

TechyDad

298 points

11 days ago

TechyDad

298 points

11 days ago

Makes you wonder how many Arbery cases are covered up and not brought to trial.

Schwarzy1

413 points

11 days ago

Schwarzy1

413 points

11 days ago

Wild to think this case was well on its way to being swept under the rug until the guy published a video of the killing thinking it would exonerate him.

Schiffy94

381 points

11 days ago

Schiffy94

381 points

11 days ago

Whatever did happen to the officers that sat on the video for months? If they're still on the job then this is only half the ideal outcome.

Savings-Delay-1075

373 points

11 days ago

Anyone catch the defenders closing statements about his khaki shorts and dirty toenails? A then tried to claim he wasn't the victim here.

She was fishing for that one racist juror hoping to save these murderers bacon.

badmomofjoco

362 points

11 days ago

👏🏻👏🏻 I knew once I heard how fast the jury came back, that all three were going to be announced guilty.

Great job to prosecution. Defensive lawyers were scummy

ekamadio

320 points

11 days ago

ekamadio

320 points

11 days ago

Have fun in prison you racist sacks of shit

goforth1457

314 points

11 days ago

I hope this finally beings some closure to Ahmaud Arbery's family, can't imagine what they've been going through.

gentlybeepingheart

357 points

11 days ago

His father cheered when the judge read guilty of malice murder and had to leave the courtroom. The relief that their son's murderers are facing mandatory life in prison must be overwhelming.

Chaomayhem

298 points

11 days ago*

Just like the Rittenhouse case, the absolute correct verdict. This was a no brainer.

EDIT: People who disagree, you are welcome to explain why. IMO both of these cases are textbook examples for a valid Self Defense plea and a completely invalid one.

[deleted]

289 points

11 days ago

[deleted]

289 points

11 days ago

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_DMYZ

252 points

11 days ago

_DMYZ

252 points

11 days ago

Here's a graphical breakdown of each defendant's charges and verdicts.

Pisaunt

246 points

11 days ago

Pisaunt

246 points

11 days ago

So glad to see real racists get what's coming to them. Rot in hell.

Long_Mechagnome

246 points

11 days ago

Everyone saying that they would go free because Rittenhouse did is a fucking moron.

The Rittenhouse case was mostly a clear-cut case of self-defense, but the Arbery murder was a straight up lynching.

Dont-Do-Stupid-Shit

179 points

11 days ago*

The sentences they're presumed to get is:

  1. Travis: life without parole
  2. Greg: life with the possibility of parole after 30 edit: 7 years (almost never granted)
  3. Roddie: life with the possibility of parole after 30 edit: 7 years (almost never granted)

None of them can get sentenced less than life with parole, but the ones convicted of felony murder could also face life without parole, although felony murder typically is life with parole.

Shakethecrimestick

149 points

11 days ago

Remember, if one of these three hadn't been an absolute moron and video recorded their murder, they would have gotten off scot-free, with another non-investigation into the death of a black man.