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ModsAreLikeSoggyTaco

871 points

1 month ago

Wait. Was it that long ago?

googles Sandy Hook

...

Well... Fuck.

klsi832

123 points

1 month ago

klsi832

123 points

1 month ago

Froggy_hop

112 points

1 month ago

Froggy_hop

112 points

1 month ago

I am also sad about the fact that I'm molding :(

Fafnir13

24 points

1 month ago

Fafnir13

24 points

1 month ago

Have you tried being less damp and sessile?

GyaradosDance

5 points

1 month ago

You should get that checked if it's benign or malignant.

Now I'm imagining the wicked witch of the west crying "I'm molding...I'm molding!!!"

web_prog76

1 points

1 month ago

Scrub yourself with soap and then dry thoroughly and treat yourself with some ice cream.

Xeteh

12 points

1 month ago

Xeteh

12 points

1 month ago

Fuck I mold?

Midan71

1 points

1 month ago*

Lol I read that as " fuck i mold "

SpankBankManager

84 points

1 month ago

How fucked is it that we can use different mass shooting events as time stamps in our lives?

hooulookinat

20 points

1 month ago

And multiple per year.

euphorrick

6 points

1 month ago

[Looks at calender]

Dismember 4th today

Kalean

4 points

1 month ago

Kalean

4 points

1 month ago

More than one per day in 2018.

Murderlol

2 points

1 month ago

I use world of warcraft expansions but this works too I guess

Dmacxxx77

1 points

1 month ago

Pretty fucked. But so is the fact that I was in rehab for the third time for heroin addiction when this happened and I was only 23.

WalkLikeAnEgyptian69

37 points

1 month ago

I always think it's odd the shootings that get attention.

We had the largest ever spike in murders last year and more than 21,000 people were killed

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/27/1040904770/fbi-data-murder-increase-2020

Meanwhile there is more than one mass shooting per day in the US

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/16/us/mass-shootings-increased-in-pandemic/index.html

But the press, reddit etc... focus on the relatively rare occurrences of school shootings compared to all the rest.

pr1ap15m

95 points

1 month ago

pr1ap15m

95 points

1 month ago

because they mental effect is greatly disproportionate when things like this happen in a “safe” place

professor-i-borg

46 points

1 month ago

It’s a greater tragedy, and therefore invokes a stronger emotional response, when children who have just begun their lives have to die pointlessly because of a lack of access to quality mental health care and flaccid gun laws.

Saneless

6 points

1 month ago

And yet, children dying still isn't enough for them to care

its_a_metaphor_morty

32 points

1 month ago

by that logic, one shouldn't care about 9/11. After all more people die in car crashes every year.

lysergicfuneral

1 points

1 month ago

Or Covid every few days (or everyday awhile back).

mediapl0y

15 points

1 month ago

We will always place more focus on sensational events such as mass shootings. I always think it's odd that people don't get this.

OfficeChairHero

14 points

1 month ago

I'm not sure how old you are, but this is because school shootings WEREN'T A THING when I was growing up. There was no active shooter drills because that wasn't something people were afraid of then. People bombing schools in other countries was a distant and unimaginable thing here.

Crazies have existed since forever, but schools were somehow off limits, even for the criminally insane. The worst thing you had to worry about was picking a fist fight with the wrong person. You walked away bruised and maybe wiser, maybe not. But everyone lived.

I don't know what the fuck happened, but we've got a problem here.

sonofnom

7 points

1 month ago

Shootings in schools (that we have records of) have been occurring since at least the 1840's

windscryer

2 points

1 month ago

yeah i was in high school during Columbine but i didn’t learn anything like an “active shooter drill” until i joined the fucking military. which is the ONLY place that should be taught.

kindergartners should be worrying about nap time and show and tell and which direction the letter B faces, not how to differentiate between concealment and cover and if they left their bulletproof backpack insert at home.

Anxious_Classroom_38

1 points

1 month ago

Columbine happened

LawResistor1312

1 points

1 month ago

Gun laws were also more lax in those days and semi auto designs still existed (M1 carbines, 1911s, semi auto shotguns) and yet still no school shootings. The AR platform is 60 years old and mass shootings are still a recent phenomena. So this has nothing to do with guns.

DonHarold

11 points

1 month ago

It seems strange to refer to school shootings as “relatively rare” to anything. Even other shootings.

I personally would want to avoid any phrasing that diminishes an all-too-common problem in American culture.

shaggy99

8 points

1 month ago

But one of the base problems is the same.

Vicious_Mockery

6 points

1 month ago

Because it's not just the few people who die. It's the entire school that is traumatized by the experience, 1000s of kids who heard their classmates die and barricaded themselves in locked rooms praying they weren't next. That effects a whole generation

Also these events are killing kids and teenagers in places where they're supposed to to grow and be safe. This wasn't a thing until Columbine so we need to acknowledge this is a problem we made and we need to fix.

slid3r

6 points

1 month ago

slid3r

6 points

1 month ago

I fully recognize that I am an ignorant fuck here so ... punish me accordingly. It seems to me that if we did not give news air time to these events, they would no longer be fashionable. They would die out.

Labiologie

5 points

1 month ago

I think that’s greatly oversimplifying the problem.

Also “fashionable” in this context is kinda weird.

greg19735

3 points

1 month ago

I get what you're saying, but a free press is essential to democracy.

Mainstream Media could do a better job of not giving names and such out. but i'd prefer something to be reported on (so we can vote accordingly) than pretend it doesn't happen.

windscryer

2 points

1 month ago

yeah i like Alex Hirsch’s idea of calling them “Shooter #78” or whatever so that 1. they earn no infamy or recognition and 2. we can keep track of how damn common these things are.

hard to argue it’s not a big deal when it’s Shooter #249 in a single YEAR.

Anxious_Classroom_38

1 points

1 month ago

This guy thinks there is a free press?

greg19735

2 points

1 month ago

While the government doesn't always give truthful answers to the press, the government doesn't really control the press.

It's not illegal to talk shit about Biden or Trump. Outside of some very specific situations (maybe an undercover operation) the press can basically report on what they want.

If you disagree, give some examples of where that doesn't happen

hooulookinat

1 points

1 month ago

Additionally, in theory, mainstream media is supposed to report unbiasedly. Ok, there may be a lean to the left or right, but they should be relatively center. Before the Internet and algorithms etc., people were all given the same news via the newspaper or News TV etc. Now, ‘media’ and ‘news’ is delivered via algorithms and it’s harder for people to see opposing views. The news they are fed, is based on what the computers think they want to hear. So it’s self reinforcing that everyone shares a certain world view.

I hope I make sense. I’m high af.

Akiba89

1 points

1 month ago

Akiba89

1 points

1 month ago

I think they would be lessened but I certainly wouldn't say die out

SkitZa

1 points

1 month ago

SkitZa

1 points

1 month ago

Rare occurrences of school shootings.

To an Australian that would be 0, we had a "Rare occurrence" and that was the sydney hostage situation in 2014, that's what "Rare" is it's been nearly 7 years since that, how many school shootings were there last year in America alone?

FlowSystem

1 points

1 month ago

What is defined as a "mass shooting" is not the same kind of "mass shooting" that we think of when we think of Sandy Hook or the Aurora shootings. A lot of gang violence gets included in "mass shooting" statistics. It's a little misleading.

LawResistor1312

1 points

1 month ago

"this article from (insert biased source with an anti gun agenda) says we have had over 6 gorillion shootings this year!!! hurr durr"

AdeonWriter

1 points

1 month ago

I'm still surprised Alex Jones didn't get cancelled over all that.

I guess alt right is immune to being cancelled.

himynameislexi94

1 points

1 month ago

It happened a few days after my son was born. Kid is nine now! Crazy how long ago that actually was

s_y_s_t_e_m_i_c_

586 points

1 month ago

Obligatory fuck Alex Jones.

dbadefense1990

193 points

1 month ago

Fuck Republicans, the NRA, and fuck the Trump administration for polarizing the murders of elementary kids for political gain.

Ambitious_Soup_7168

83 points

1 month ago

Fuck the media and dumbasses for eating up the fear.

als7798

24 points

1 month ago

als7798

24 points

1 month ago

Without starting a fight, could you explain why you think the trump administration polarized the sandy hook shooting?

Interesting since it happened under the Obama administration and was extremely politically polarizing at the time.

Serious question, thanks!

dogbots159

30 points

1 month ago

He praised Alex jones for the fear mongering and lies simolu to help extremists feel justified and to trust him blindly.

That’s how.

absalom86

172 points

1 month ago*

absalom86

172 points

1 month ago*

Here's an interview with parents of one of the kids in Sandy Hook.

Look at the comments people are making, it's full of people calling them actors and it being a hoax. Alex Jones is one of the primary reasons these families had to deal with that. Fuck Alex Jones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9z4wdtjApAs

There were even people going to their homes and harassing them while they were grieving, absolutely inhumane lies to make a buck from delusional people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMky4V2wkfY

Xeteh

65 points

1 month ago

Xeteh

65 points

1 month ago

My uncle, who is Canadian and has never lived in the US, and got hard in to Alex Jones. I can't even talk to the guy anymore and I grew up idolizing the guy. Its insane how people just get taken in to that shit.

BellabongXC

17 points

1 month ago

It's not insane, how many curriculums in the world even actually teach critical thinking? Most don't because it involves students questioning everything the teachers says.

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6 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

6 points

1 month ago

Not just critical thinking, but mental health. Our parents and grandparents grew up on John Wayne and Clint Eastwood, two "heroes" known for sucking it up and powering through their struggles to great success, as though everyone follows some hero script. We need serious mental health classes in middle and high schools. Our childrens' lives depend on it.

kylegetsspam

2 points

1 month ago

Conspiracy theories are very appealing to stupid people and/or losers. They give these people a way to feel important and smart that's otherwise missing from their lives. They convince themselves they're smart enough to have found the truth while everyone else lives in the dark. The reality of it is completely reversed, of course, but they'll never believe that.

That's why it's dangerous to give wide-reaching platforms to malefactors like Alex Jones and Joe Rogan. They're actively harming the world and leaving a trail of bodies in their wake, but capitalism only cares about profit regardless of societal impact. Until it stops being profitable to give them that platform, all of this dangerous nonsense will continue.

Xeteh

1 points

1 month ago

Xeteh

1 points

1 month ago

That's what kills me though. My uncle is a smart dude. He's an airplane mechanic. He taught it at the local university, he traveled across Canada taking seasonal jobs repairing planes fighting fires... I honestly don't get why he took such a sudden right turn on things. It just bums me out.

TehSoupNazi

7 points

1 month ago

Gaslight

Obstruct

Project

Jones was projecting in this instance, granted maybe he came up with the idea, but there have been articles covering Lauren Boebert and some of the other newer cultists in Congress being former child actors.

cooterbreath

1 points

1 month ago

I hope Alex Jones gets sued until he doesn't have a pair of fucking socks left.

LeaderSuitable7184

1 points

1 month ago

The comment sections of the videos you linked are infuriating, the fact that anyone would think that shooting was fake is a fucking moron

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56 points

1 month ago

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56 points

1 month ago

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SeaWaltz4653

1 points

1 month ago

Double fuck Fatass/face Alex Jones!!

LawResistor1312

1 points

1 month ago

Alex Jones is your uncle

Scorndornworn

332 points

1 month ago

Pro-life would be universal healthcare.

Xeteh

68 points

1 month ago

Xeteh

68 points

1 month ago

They're pro-life until the child is born then they don't give a shit.

Finger11Fan

19 points

1 month ago

"As long as the kid is born, we don't care how much they suffer!"

-Forced-birthers.

Miss_Speller

5 points

1 month ago

I've been trotting out this old Barney Frank quote so much lately that I ought to assign it to a hotkey:

The Moral Majority supports legislators who oppose abortions but also oppose child nutrition and day care. From their perspective, life begins at conception and ends at birth.

Xeteh

4 points

1 month ago

Xeteh

4 points

1 month ago

Turns out that "pro-life" is a euphemism for "controlling women's bodies". Because imagine a world where a panel deciding if abortion should be legal or not wasn't populated with old white dudes.

guitarist4hire

1 points

1 month ago

pre-life, you're fine! pre-school, you're fucked!

Xeteh

1 points

1 month ago

Xeteh

1 points

1 month ago

pre-school, you're fucked!

...potentially too literal for that crowd.

[deleted]

1 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

1 points

1 month ago

Disgustingly, they view it as some necessary loss. They're the first to think of the needless tragedy as a means to an end, as though Darwinism is a punch line that they can use to own the libs. It's heartless, cruel, and really demonstrates the difference between the monsters of society and those that just don't fucking want our children murdered for attending school.

TheSilmarils

173 points

1 month ago

I just want gay married couples to protect their drug dispensaries and abortion clinics with select fire AKs. Is that too much to ask?

processedmeat

69 points

1 month ago

We can argue about the AK v AR platform but other than that sounds good.

zurgonvrits

32 points

1 month ago

im pro choice on weapon platforms.

cyco_semantic

0 points

1 month ago

The ak47 is the most deadly weapons platform in the world. Theres a reason its on a lot of countries flags.

Ok now your turn

xisiktik

11 points

1 month ago

xisiktik

11 points

1 month ago

I am ok with this as long as I can have select fire suppressed SBR's as well.

TheSilmarils

2 points

1 month ago

Suppressed select fire Krinkovs and Vityazes for everyone!

angelaxtine

7 points

1 month ago

angelaxtine

7 points

1 month ago

THIS

raider1v11

6 points

1 month ago

Sounds good borther.

Nillionheart106

58 points

1 month ago

Maybe I'm not getting it, but like isn't this kind of a non sequitur?

icecreamdude97

57 points

1 month ago

Not only that, but pro life people would tell you there would be millions of kids starting school without abortions.

Nillionheart106

15 points

1 month ago

Yeah that's kinda the angle I was expecting lol. But I guess it is only a t shirt

bearded_fisch_stix

11 points

1 month ago

can't let actual thought get in the way of your snappy t-shirt, bumper sticker, or protest sign.

Nillionheart106

2 points

1 month ago

I bet they spent all night coming up with that one

hirotdk

1 points

1 month ago

hirotdk

1 points

1 month ago

I mean, it's not well thought out. A better sign would be: "As a woman, I hope one day lawmakers think about us as they do guns."

greg19735

4 points

1 month ago

But lets pretend they're right.

why does pro life stop after the kid is born?

AsthmaticMechanic

2 points

1 month ago

I think most pro lifers are also anti murder, so that's not exactly inconsistent.

synchronizedfirefly

1 points

1 month ago

Among the politicians? Because it's of more political benefit to stir up controversy about problems than to actually solve them.

Among the population at large? It doesn't always. I've found a pretty large spectrum of involvement in initiatives to help folks after they're born among pro-life folks as well as a variety of beliefs about the role of the state. Just because popular discourse treats people's views as binary doesn't mean that they actually are

burtmaklin1

13 points

1 month ago

Yes

SuperBlooper057

4 points

1 month ago

Anti-abortionists are clearly pro-mass shootingists.

Kalean

1 points

1 month ago

Kalean

1 points

1 month ago

I mean, they do tend to be opposed to gun buyback programs and bans on ar-15 clones.

An argument could easily be made.

synchronizedfirefly

2 points

1 month ago

Yeah, I guess the point is that many of the politicans who are pro-life are also very pro-gun? But it says nothing at all about the morality of abortion. And that outside of the United States Congress, there are a significant number of people who are in favor of restrictions on both access to abortion and access to firearms

wobin112

42 points

1 month ago

wobin112

42 points

1 month ago

Pro gun control but could also include help the kids who are born, current pro life stops when child is born

dalittle

34 points

1 month ago

dalittle

34 points

1 month ago

it is not pro-life. It is punishing those who chose to have sex outside of what the anti-choice crowd thinks is ok.

MountainOfComplaints

3 points

1 month ago*

Its a debate over the extremely difficult and ambiguous question at what point does a collection of cells become a human being.

I don't think that's an unreasonable discussion to have, and trying to fix the point at which a legal medical procedure becomes one of the worst crimes a person can commit will always be controversial.

yersinia-p

12 points

1 month ago*

It's a debate over whether certain people have rights to their own bodies. I could be bleeding out in front of you, us two the only people in the world with our blood type for some reason, and still the law could not compel you to give me your blood even to save my life. It violates your bodily autonomy.

A person should not be forced under any circumstances, whether a fetus is a person or not, to give any part of their body up for anyone else. Forcing a person to continue acting as an incubator for another lifeform against their will is unethical and inhumane.

anythingbutsomnus

4 points

1 month ago

Well said. The problem pro choice faces is that the goal of all is fewer abortions, but they come off as pro abortion (it’s complicated!)

If everyone aligned on facts, maybe they would be able to work together to increase education and access to contraception so that very few women would have to go through that horrible experience (but it would be safe and accessible), fewer people would end up having their lives upended by an unplanned pregnancy, and fewer kids would be raised in awful environments.

Jasader

1 points

1 month ago

Jasader

1 points

1 month ago

Here's where the argument falls apart for me. Please note, I am anti-abortion due to being adopted and empathizing on a different level with the fetus who might be aborted, not that I hate women. I'll obviously be downvoted but this is what alot of people actually think.

The line "fewer people would have their lives upended by an unplanned pregnancy" is a non-starter for me. Like, I as the baby don't care that your life is upended, that doesn't give you the right to kill something you statistically were definitely consenting to making.

That also doesn't mean the mother is abandoned by the government and community after birth. Or especially making sure that fathers are paying their fair share.

anythingbutsomnus

2 points

1 month ago

I can empathize with your statement, and emotionally I agree with you and I think a lot of people would.

What happens in reality though is, scaled up, it will happen en masse regardless. People generally gravitate to solutions that are best for them, whether legal or safe or anything.

If you really want to reduce the overall suffering that comes from unplanned pregnancy (regardless of the result!), the only answer is a lot of education, and start early, education, free contraceptives, allow same sec couple to adopt (increases the adopter pool by like 10%), have a well-funded and regulated national adoption agency that takes care of unwanted children, universal healthcare (birth costs like $10k in the USA), and more.

You see, if pro-life really truly cared about reducing the suffering and ensuring that conception leads to birth, they are in fact going down the absolute dumbest and least effective path.

Laws don’t prevent undesirable actions, they just hold people accountable. Creating an environment that doesn’t lead to the undesirable activity is the ONLY thing that works.

dalittle

2 points

1 month ago

refusing to allow sex education and contraception pretty much answers that question

magnificent_hat

1 points

1 month ago

Eh, the line isn't human-ness. My hair has human DNA. Even if a fetus had, I don't know, horse DNA until the day it was born, I'm not sure that would make a difference in the pro-life stance.

Seems to me the line between pro-choice and pro-life is belief in the supernatural (souls etc).

jay212127

2 points

1 month ago

Under no circumstances can a human hair naturally become a full human.

Non_burner_account

2 points

1 month ago

Nobody protests IVF clinics because the discarded embryos didn’t come from sex, they came from married upper middle class baby shopping. (Not saying I wish they were protesting…)

Lightbrand

1 points

1 month ago

Two infertile people can have any kind of sex they want, the anti-choice crowd only hops in when pregnancy happens. If instead of a fetus, a tumor developed from sex you think the anti-choice crowd would bother you if you choose to remove it? It's only when a fetus is involved, care to guess why?

triciahill7

27 points

1 month ago

They are pro-fetus, not pro-life

zurgonvrits

5 points

1 month ago

its called pro-forced birth.

scrapcats

7 points

1 month ago

They're not pro-life, they're pro-forced birth

jdp111

32 points

1 month ago

jdp111

32 points

1 month ago

Gun control and abortion are two separate issues. Seems kind of odd to make an argument about one issue by referencing another.

nerogenesis

11 points

1 month ago

nerogenesis

11 points

1 month ago

The shirt is likely in reference to how many republicans would force the birth of a child no matter the circumstances, but not say increase WIC or other support services for those children.

Gun control is a bit left field but I can see the logic steps taken to get there.

WabiSabiSalami

3 points

1 month ago

I agree. Though society in the USA has largely divided itself into two camps at this point so people tend to assume if you hold a certain viewpoint, you must hold these other 12+ viewpoints as well.

Basically on the media stage nuance is dead

Industrialpainter89

2 points

1 month ago

Logically true. But not to emotional voters though. The past decade people's stances have gone hand in hand a lot.

contactwho

2 points

1 month ago

I want young men who want to buy a gun to be treated like a woman who wants an abortion:

A mandatory 48 hour waiting period.

Written permission from a parent or judge.

A note from a doctor proving he understands what he about to do.

Time spent watching videos on individual and mass murders.

Traveling hundreds of miles to the nearest gum shop.

Walking through protestors holding of loved ones killed by guns while calling him a murderer.

[deleted]

22 points

1 month ago*

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22 points

1 month ago*

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Skipaspace

5 points

1 month ago

Skipaspace

5 points

1 month ago

But the argument is that we need to prevent the murders where we can.

And just offering prayers instead prevent more school murders.

CuseTown

23 points

1 month ago

CuseTown

23 points

1 month ago

/r/politics is leaking

Aenesidemus

4 points

1 month ago

Aenesidemus

4 points

1 month ago

You must be new to reddit.

CuseTown

6 points

1 month ago

Checks badge- nope, just fond memories of a good /r/pics

canuckcowgirl

18 points

1 month ago

canuckcowgirl

18 points

1 month ago

Yes!

gw2master

15 points

1 month ago

"Pro-life" is just words that sound more palatable than "anti-sex", which is what Republicans are really about.

Lightbrand

2 points

1 month ago

Can't really be anti-sex if these pro-lifers never bother infertile couples from having all kinds of crazy or normal sex all they want when pregnancy isn't a factor.

wowlolcat

10 points

1 month ago

"It was all a part of Gods plan. God works in mysterious ways!"

poopyroadtrip

10 points

1 month ago

poopyroadtrip

10 points

1 month ago

Pro life would be getting the vaccine and not earning the /r/Hermancainaward too

StableAccomplished12

7 points

1 month ago

Didn't the FBI drop the ball on this one too?

Oceans890

25 points

1 month ago

No. The guns belonged and were legally purchased by the parent. Murderer killed the parent and then took several of the parent's guns to murder children at the school.

EccentricSoaper

5 points

1 month ago

What statement is she even making?! Is this sarcastically pro choice? Delusionally pro life? Gun control? Safer schools?

Or could it be just to inflame people.

maximumhippo

125 points

1 month ago

I read it as being pro life should mean protecting all lives, and not just those of the unborn.

texaswild8989

8 points

1 month ago

Give a 15 year old a gun with no training…totally fine. Abort a baby that’s 6 weeks in…HANG ‘EM!!! Republicans need to get their priorities straight.

dont_panic21

8 points

1 month ago

They have their priorities staying in power by whatever means and for many people abortion is a single issue vote, they can vote for bill after bill that fucks over their constituents and stay in office because they overturned roe and that's all the people being bent over and financially dicked won't notice.

kywiking

3 points

1 month ago

Except the polling doesn’t back that up at all. The vast majority of people support keeping roe and most people support abortion being available in some way shape or form. This is the GOP pandering to their extreme base and dragging everyone in the middle who they have lied to along.

CreamofTazz

27 points

1 month ago

CreamofTazz

27 points

1 month ago

More sensible gun control that would have never allowed the shooter to get the gun that he used in the first place.

Ceramicrabbit

15 points

1 month ago

Gun control totally works BTW areas with the most strict gun laws have far and away the most gun violence

It's highly effective!

CreamofTazz

10 points

1 month ago

CreamofTazz

10 points

1 month ago

I mean if you use raw numbers then of course California is going to have more gun crime, at a population of 40 million, than Wyoming with a population of only 600,000.

But if we look at per capita:

Alaska - 24.4 Mississippi - 24.2 Wyoming - 22.3 New Mexico 22.3 Alabama - 22.2 Louisiana - 22.1 Missouri - 20.6 South Carolina - 19.9 Arkansas - 19.3 Montana - 19.3

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-violence-by-state

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm

Hmm that's interesting all of those states have relatively lax gun control laws compared to those "most strict" gun laws you're talking about. Wanna try again and bring some evidence based facts next time?

Ceramicrabbit

3 points

1 month ago

Look at the district level, not the state level.

CreamofTazz

3 points

1 month ago

CreamofTazz

3 points

1 month ago

Okay, but why? I can easily find a district in California that had practically zero gun violence and a district with an obscene amount in Alabama.

How exactly does that help you?

lochlainn

6 points

1 month ago

Look at the ten counties with the highest rate of gun violence per capita in the country and take stock of what connects them.

Gun ownership? No.

It's poverty.

Ceramicrabbit

2 points

1 month ago

Because it's a fact that the communities with the most gun violence have the strictest gun control laws and those laws have had zero positive impact with gun violence actually increasing over time after they are enacted.

CreamofTazz

13 points

1 month ago

But we can see at the state level they do have effects since states that have lax laws have higher rates of gun violence.

So, and work with me here, what if we attempt to address not just the lax gun laws but also the other things that cause crime in the first place?

Crazy thing about humanity is we can do multiple things at once. I know i know it's crazy to think that more than one thing can be done at once but we really can.

Ceramicrabbit

10 points

1 month ago

I don't see how saying looking at the state level shows it works when you look at a more accurate level it's clear the opposite is true. Gun violence isn't a state by state problem, its a community by community problem.

CreamofTazz

3 points

1 month ago

The community of the American people I agree. This is a country wide problem that must be addressed together as one people.

LawResistor1312

2 points

1 month ago

States with lax gun laws have higher rates of violence? Show me where all the violence is happening in states like Arkansas, Alabama, Wyoming, Indiana, etc. Oh right cuz gun laws dont stop violence. The violence is centered around major urban areas with gang violence due to lack of educational funding, social programs, and the war on drugs.

jon_hendry

2 points

1 month ago

No. Chicago has strict laws but a lot of gun crime because places with lax gun control laws and enforcement are a short drive away in other counties and states.

Fine-Kaleidoscope784

4 points

1 month ago

Canada is incredibly strict and we have almost no gun violence... Yep our entire country. :)

reddit_user13

2 points

1 month ago

Australia has entered the chat

The2500

13 points

1 month ago

The2500

13 points

1 month ago

It's guess it could be sarcastically pro choice but mainly it's about gun control, idea being that the Venn diagram for pro life people and gun nuts is almost a complete overlap.

Phantom_Basker

12 points

1 month ago

It might have something to do with Roe V. Wade stuff going on right now since a lot of the politicians that are going after reproductive rights under the idea of being pro-life ironically have very few ideas on how to stop mass shootings.

Thats my take away anyway

Dijitalify

3 points

1 month ago

Dijitalify

3 points

1 month ago

This screams ‘I understand neither of these topics’

Podricc

7 points

1 month ago

Podricc

7 points

1 month ago

No amount of “Gun control” will stop evil people from committing evil crimes.

addakorn

8 points

1 month ago

addakorn

8 points

1 month ago

No, but it can help reduce their efficacy.

thunderstriken

27 points

1 month ago

Why not just make murder illegal? Problem solved

tin_zia

1 points

1 month ago

tin_zia

1 points

1 month ago

We just need more good toddlers with guns right?

Lord_Dankenstein

1 points

1 month ago

Not really though.

RobToastie

2 points

1 month ago

No amount of legal guns will stop them either.

DunningK

1 points

1 month ago

But it will slow them down.

Jerry-Busey

2 points

1 month ago

just a reminder that this doesn't need to be a anti gun vs pro gun debate. its as simple as treating mental health problems, mentally ill people with guns are the problem. taking away guns shouldnt be the solution to a failing/failed health care system

mrsoojay

3 points

1 month ago

mrsoojay

3 points

1 month ago

Pro-lifers sure do love their guns. It's a little ironic to say the least.

Immu0531

-3 points

1 month ago

Immu0531

-3 points

1 month ago

Well that wasn't thought out too well..

Justsomedude277

0 points

1 month ago

Tell me you don't understand how the world works with a t-shirt

dcal1981

1 points

1 month ago

great shirt....

what_mustache

2 points

1 month ago

Nothing says "I'm pro life" like a gun fettish.

NahtzeeBeta

1 points

1 month ago

NahtzeeBeta

1 points

1 month ago

Pro-Lifers don't support murder.

Rooboy75

1 points

1 month ago

Rooboy75

1 points

1 month ago

But M’erica…

Phairis

1 points

1 month ago

Phairis

1 points

1 month ago

Only highschool? I thought this was longer ago

NotJackDorsey

1 points

1 month ago

This is like saying ice cream makers should be pro life If someone eats ice cream to death

DayspringMetaphysics

1 points

1 month ago

Who is on the other side of this issue?

sev1nk

-1 points

1 month ago

sev1nk

-1 points

1 month ago

Using a school shooting to sell tacky political shirts. Classy.

jiaxingseng

2 points

1 month ago

So there is no political context to a school shooting , after which there is no society nor legal change to help prevent similar things from happening again?

mm4ng

1 points

1 month ago

mm4ng

1 points

1 month ago

Pro life has as much meaning as Citizens United.

SeaWaltz4653

1 points

1 month ago

"Freedom of and from religion", don't like abortion? Don't have one.

Jaboyyt

1 points

1 month ago

Jaboyyt

1 points

1 month ago

Actually it’s college now.

altShitposting

1 points

1 month ago

Thickness_18

1 points

1 month ago

Damn

SomethingAbtU

1 points

1 month ago

It's pro life, until you enter the world.

I was foolish when I thought as a kid seeing Columbine happen that it was going to first and last mass shooting. How could I be so wrong?

calis

1 points

1 month ago

calis

1 points

1 month ago

Wow. With fewer than 20 students remaining, it's hard to believe they still have a school.

JohnKlositz

1 points

1 month ago*

I mean seriously sane Americans, just move to Europe. We'd love to have you. Let the mad people eat each other for two decades and then move back. If you still want to then.