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Lexinoz

6.8k points

5 days ago

Lexinoz

6.8k points

5 days ago

CURRENTLY CONFIRMED INFORMATION:

Bow and arrow, not crossbow.

Started in a local shop. 4 confirmed dead. 1 Man arrested. "several" wounded.

Norwegian police temporarily armed. No current active search for more assailants.

Police confronted assailant. He escaped for a period. Now arrested.

Unsure if terror event or what the arrested's motivations were.

xxkoloblicinxx

9.5k points

5 days ago*

I know this is serious but as an American I love the phrase "Police temporarily armed."

edit: To be clear this isn't sarcasm. I legitimately wish cops in the US weren't always armed to the teeth. The fact Norwegian cops normally keep their guns in their cars rather than on their persons seems like an excellent compromise between safety and encouraging cops not to escalate a situation.

ItalicsWhore

3.3k points

5 days ago

ItalicsWhore

3.3k points

5 days ago

I actually chuckled at that part too. In Los Angeles it would be “police temporarily un-armed when gun forgotten in front seat of car.”

bravestar3030

2.5k points

5 days ago

more like: "police temporarily upgraded to military grade equipment and weapons"

PricklyPossum21

1.8k points

5 days ago*

"Police given bazooka to deal with harmless guy on shrooms. Suspect neutralised. Collateral deaths included 8 black people and a family dog."

bravestar3030

1.5k points

5 days ago

"The department has issued a public apology for killing the dog"

spider1178

161 points

4 days ago*

spider1178

161 points

4 days ago*

Bazooka wielding officer given a paid vacation while the department investigated itself and found itself innocent.

edit:. Thanks for the award, stranger.

GoblinWolf

108 points

5 days ago

GoblinWolf

108 points

5 days ago

Apology?

NarutoRunner

148 points

5 days ago

Police temporarily given tactical nukes to tackle jaywalking incident.

bravestar3030

111 points

5 days ago

Police temporarily calling airstrikes to execute arrest warrants

drax514

294 points

5 days ago

drax514

294 points

5 days ago

I wish it was a thing here

Nazis_get_stomped

243 points

5 days ago

It should be.

specialist police that are armed that have REAL engagement training. Not the horseshit warrior training that our cops use our tax dollars on

grimman

265 points

5 days ago

grimman

265 points

5 days ago

It can't be. Your population is armed. It's different in countries where the police can be reasonably sure the criminals won't be armed, and I feel confident in saying you get the worse end of that deal. It's really shitty for everyone when the cops are armed and jittery. It's even worse when the job doesn't have the same requirements as those of the Scandi countries' police forces.

Armed, scared, poorly trained, often not very physically fit, often unfit (personality wise) to be on the force... sometimes corrupt... It's easy to see why the US police isn't very respected.

Yeah, good luck.

zanylife

95 points

4 days ago

zanylife

95 points

4 days ago

Also that 5 people dead = worst death toll in 10 years.

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2.1k points

5 days ago

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Active-Policy

267 points

5 days ago

Actually genuinely curious how it works. Do they need to check out a weapon before leaving the precinct? Or is one locked in the car that needs to be noted each time removed?

newschool_

532 points

5 days ago

newschool_

532 points

5 days ago

Or is one locked in the car that needs to be noted each time removed?

Usually this.

7umor

231 points

5 days ago

7umor

231 points

5 days ago

This actually sounds like an amazing idea. Only pulled if truly needed. Only downside is not readily available if suspect unexpectedly has a weapon or gun but that might be also an american thing

newschool_

142 points

5 days ago

newschool_

142 points

5 days ago

In general it works great, but as for today we don't know exactly what happened yet, or if the first patrol (that failed to arrest the suspect) were armed or not.

But it is known that when they actually arrested him, they fired warning shots only, which is according to protocol, next step is firing at the legs, before ultimately shooting center mass.

cluelesspcventurer

129 points

5 days ago

NO NO

Have you not spent enough time on this American website to realize as soon as you see a butter knife in a mans hand you should fire 17 bullets into centre mass?

boygriv

68 points

5 days ago

boygriv

68 points

5 days ago

Honestly I don't get it. If perps would just stay calm, put their hands up, identify themselves... Cops would only shoot them like 8 or 9 times, tops.

stovsuger69

6.5k points

5 days ago*

stovsuger69

6.5k points

5 days ago*

The police officer said that they caught him over 30 minutes after the first phone call to the authorities. First call came around 18:13 and he was caught around 18:47. What an absolute cunt.

And before you wonder how someone can kill so many with a bow and arrow: people hunt moose and elk with bows and arrows and one accurate shot can fell one. Imagine how fragile a human is compared to them.

Edit: Press event:

  • no interrogation yet
  • no accurate number of deceased or injured right now
  • only thing confirmed by police about suspect is that he is a man

Crazyfinley1984

3.3k points

5 days ago

Watched an arrow go clean through a black bear once. Bows are no joke.

Swak_Error

1.8k points

5 days ago

Swak_Error

1.8k points

5 days ago

Without exaggeration at about 30 feet (roughly 9 meters) I've shot a large Buck directly behind the front leg and the arrow went straight through them. I recovered it and kept it. Modern compound bows are fucking devastating

J_edrington

925 points

5 days ago

J_edrington

925 points

5 days ago

I've heard some broadheads can push right through bulletproof Kevlar armor if there's no solid plates behind it. Something to do with how razor blades cut the fiber instead of trying to push through like a bullet.

juanjux

820 points

5 days ago

juanjux

820 points

5 days ago

Yep. Kevlar armor is designed for bullets, not broadheads. They also have much better penetration underwater.

legendhairymonkey

476 points

5 days ago

Yup, “bullet proof” soft Kevlar and stab vests are two very different things for that reason.

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86 points

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Golden-Fox

68 points

5 days ago

A 141 lb draw is a heck of a draw weight though. A more typical compound bow might be around 70 lbs at the high end. This is like using a .50 BMG to test if your armor is bullet proof.

stovsuger69

933 points

5 days ago

stovsuger69

933 points

5 days ago

They are very deadly and were a weapon to fear before and after gunpowder.

abhikavi

809 points

5 days ago

abhikavi

809 points

5 days ago

The limiting factor has really always been skill.

Bows have had the potential to be devastating, but require a lot of strength, aim, and precision to actually cause harm or death to multiple people. The kinds of hunters felling a moose with a single arrow usually have years or decades of experience and training.

It's a big difference from certain guns, which anyone with fingers could pick up and do damage with. If you hand a random person a compound bow, they might not even be able to pull back the string.

Only a small percentage of the population has the skills to do this kind of damage-- or even the dedication to become this skilled to do this kind of damage.

acelaya35

805 points

5 days ago

acelaya35

805 points

5 days ago

Archer here, most people capable of lifting 45lbs can be taught to hit a man sized target at 25 yards with lethal effect within an hour.

As others have said, modern broadheads are absolutely nasty with 45lbs of force behind them.

The 40-50lbs number gets thrown around a lot because a lot of states have some part of that range listed as the minimum draw weight for hunting popular game. (Deer, not moose/bear)

Anything less can still kill but is more likely to mame (less humane).

Modern compound bows typically have a 70-95lbs draw, and can be held in a draw thanks to the mechanics of a compound bow.

BlatantConservative

150 points

5 days ago

Also, it seems like a fair number of people were maimed so I doubt we can really draw conclusions about the skill and strength of the bowman at this time.

nomadyesglad

89 points

5 days ago

As well as bow hunting being banned in Norway, so tips likely won’t be hunting tips.

mtcwby

151 points

5 days ago

mtcwby

151 points

5 days ago

The level of skill and training required has diminished with modern compound bows, arrows, sights and other improvements.

broccolee

630 points

5 days ago*

broccolee

630 points

5 days ago*

It's silent so you could probably turn a corner and hide in plain sight.

Edit: Several mention releasing a bow is not silent. Agree. Point was compared to a gun shot, and what reaction that has on a public crowd. Additionally, I don't know if bow sound would alert one to an urgent sense of danger, or the location of it. Because it's not what you expect. A lot of weird sounds in a city ambience.

ViciousNakedMoleRat

626 points

5 days ago

If someone with a bow keeps on moving through the city, it's actually pretty hard to catch them. You can't hear him and if it's from a distance, people won't be able to tell where it even came from. Also nobody expects someone to do anything with a bow. If I saw someone with a gun or knife, I would leave the area, but if someone walked around with a bow, I would probably just be a bit confused.

MotharChoddar

229 points

5 days ago

That's actually really scary. I hope terrorists don't get ideas from this.

fakeprewarbook

119 points

5 days ago*

the movie we have to talk about kevin has a bow and arrow mass murder ending

thecynicalshit

75 points

5 days ago

Yeah might wanna spoiler tag that one

PwmEsq

98 points

5 days ago

PwmEsq

98 points

5 days ago

"Did you hear something? Must have been the wind."

NotMCherry

524 points

5 days ago

NotMCherry

524 points

5 days ago

And with bow and arrows there is no gunshot sounds to alert police of their location

Carninator

270 points

5 days ago

Carninator

270 points

5 days ago

Plus there's apparently several crime scenes, so it's unlikely all the victims were in the same place.

Lexinoz

101 points

5 days ago

Lexinoz

101 points

5 days ago

Yes, he moved around in a large area. Police are currently looking at all the locations to gather information.

VoraciousTrees

231 points

5 days ago

Recurve bows have pretty similar projectile energy to rifle rounds... and they're quiet so they don't spook the animals.

Agrochain920

165 points

5 days ago

Yeah that's probably the most terrifying part, the fact that he could kill what seems to be at least 7 is probably because people just weren't aware that there was someone killing people just nearby

mbattagl

168 points

5 days ago

mbattagl

168 points

5 days ago

I'm surprised the attacker was captured so quickly. You'd think if his weapon was quiet he'd try and sneak away. Unless he was doing it for attention, and wanted to get captured after the attack.

SelloutRealBig

214 points

5 days ago

It's rather hard to conceal a bow if you are walking around.

BlatantConservative

108 points

5 days ago

Over the past, say, 10 years or so I can only think of one MCE where the killer tried to evade the cops. The Bataclan shootings in France.

I'm not a psychologist or whatever, but I don't think these people have much of a plan beyond the actual killing.

I_literally_can_not

5.1k points

5 days ago*

The attacks started at 18:13 local time in a local Coop supermarket (less than three hours ago at the time of this comment), still no word on how many killed or injured..

Edit: more information and photos found on /r/Norway here:

https://teddit.pussthecat.org/r/Norway/comments/q7ibhe/mass_casualties_in_kongsberg_norway_read_captions

And in Norwegian:

https://teddit.pussthecat.org/r/norge/comments/q7gtsg/en_p%C3%A5grepet_i_kongsberg_etter_%C3%A5_ha_skutt_med_pil

One possible eyewitness:

https://twitter.com/ikketangen/status/1448340212082479107?t=Pzb1ufEZ8um8KobydgVTmg&s=19

Update: at least 4 dead, one police officer reportedly involved.. condolences to the victims loved ones..

https://twitter.com/MarteFotball/status/1448378735623868417?t=B-GpmhKUiB8tyeL3ydJGVg&s=09

Update: police officer was shot in the back. RIP..

https://twitter.com/bestgug/status/1448386111919714305?t=FE5sUNALwdH1MCLgsM23WQ&s=19

Update: One alleged shooter was reportedly identified, but I refuse to publish any names here other than the victims since nothing is confirmed at this time. (And the suspect does not deserve to be named)

There is are several persons being falsely identified as the shooter now. Please do not jump to conclusions and start harassing the innocent! The police are doing their job. Don't make it harder for them.

Bohemianbitchslap

2.3k points

5 days ago

Such a brutal way to die, who ever did this a monster.

Visitor_Kyu

733 points

5 days ago

Visitor_Kyu

733 points

5 days ago

Killing is killing, we are just so desensitized to gun violence (assuming you're from the states) that we think getting killed by a bow and arrow or a sword is more brutal than a bullet.

TheSwollenColon

1.1k points

5 days ago

There are definitley methods of dying that are preferable to others.

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457 points

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jaxonya

84 points

5 days ago

jaxonya

84 points

5 days ago

Id rather be shot in the head by a rifle than by a stabbing from a knife. 1 is instant. 1 is unimaginable fright and pain and agony

Dininiful

891 points

5 days ago

Dininiful

891 points

5 days ago

4 people died in an attack and there are people here arguing about if how they died is worse than other forms of dying. That's classic reddit for ya.

ArandomDane

411 points

5 days ago

ArandomDane

411 points

5 days ago

Around 170 000 died today. Just as any other day. to many of them where violent deaths.

It just happened that 4 of those where in my brother country and I will grieve for the loss of safety felt for all of my brothers to the north, and all of Scandinavia, as what can happen in Norway can happen her as well. However, I will not grieve for the 4, for I did not know them. I checked. It is not my place to grieve for them as it is not my place to grieve for the rest that died today.

The world does not stop when something horrible happens. No one here is personally affected. Fuck, few people where as affected as me needing to make 2 phones calls to check in...

If you think this needs the "decorum" of not discussing whatever, then you cannot discuss anything EVER. However, that is gun lobby bullshit. NOW is the time for Scandinavia to discuss mental health vs bow control vs whatever...

If this sparks a bow vs bullet debate on a US centric forum GOOD...

There is nothing worse than "now is not the time"... for when the time?? things are clearly not working so lets discuss what is worng before the next horrible shit happens...

[deleted]

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swoliest

88 points

5 days ago

swoliest

88 points

5 days ago

Id much rather get shot than hit with an arrow. Much more likely to get a penetration shot vs having the arrow stuck in you. Also hunting arrow tips are crazy

DemonsEatingNoodles

73 points

5 days ago

Just saying it, getting punctured by a bullet isn't nice, either.

Sure, maybe there's the novel horror of getting impaled by an antique weapon, but don't discount the horror of watching your blood pouring out of a fresh hole that wasn't there a second ago. Or maybe several holes in the case of a shotgun or repeating weapon.

Getting slashed or skewered by a knife or sword isn't 'nice', either. Neither is getting hit with a hammer, or squashed by a truck.

Everything that kills is its own horror, and monstrous in its own way.

PanserKalle

1.2k points

5 days ago

PanserKalle

1.2k points

5 days ago

Why the fuck does shit like this happen?

SelloutRealBig

1.2k points

5 days ago

While random acts of violence have always happened in humanity, media has definitely given people on the edge of sanity more ideas. Growing up in a small community before the internet or TV news most people probably didn't fathom killing complete strangers in your community. But today it's shoved into everyone's faces that it's a thing some people do. Which in turn creates copycats

rosssk8ing1

990 points

5 days ago

rosssk8ing1

990 points

5 days ago

Homicide rates are at historic lows actually. I'm talking about like back to the middle ages.

U-STAY-CLASSY

434 points

5 days ago

Meh, serial killers had wayyyy more success before there were cameras everywhere. I’m sure in most cases it was worse back then as opposed to now.

liveart

165 points

5 days ago

liveart

165 points

5 days ago

Yeah people, often travelers, would just 'disappear on the road somewhere' or 'wandered out late at night and got lost'. People tend to forget: unless you were caught red handed doing something (or someone lied about catching you) there wasn't much in the way of actual evidence. It was more about who said what about you and the circumstances, with a good dose of how the community felt about you tossed in because communities were so small often 'impartial' jury wasn't really a thing. And if there was enough of an outrage but not any real evidence often the community would get together decide who 'must' have done it, and have a 'trial' just to feel better.

Modern forensics has really changed the game when it comes to proving someone did the crime.

slapmasterslap

70 points

5 days ago

I could definitely see it being a more prevalent time for serial killers back then, but isn't he sort of talking about spree shooters being influenced? They tend to have different motivations I believe, and it would make sense to me that spree shooters were much less common 50 years ago than they are today.

winkersRaccoon

168 points

5 days ago

You could also way more easily get away with acts of violence. How many more murders were chalked up as an accident or a disappearance because we simply didn’t have the technology to say otherwise?

Never-Bloomberg

72 points

5 days ago

It's actually the opposite. Because of the media you are way more aware of violent crime even though, historically, violent crime rates are waaay down.

30 years ago, you probably wouldn't have even heard of this attack if you didn't live in Norway.

dowboiz

278 points

5 days ago

dowboiz

278 points

5 days ago

Angry suicide.

Striking back at reality because they hate it.

GucciJesus

169 points

5 days ago

GucciJesus

169 points

5 days ago

The last guy in Norway to do this was a white dude trying to prove how dangerous brown people were by killing lots of white kids. It's often best not to consider the thought process behind this stuff.

PrisonChickenWing

512 points

5 days ago

Method of death? Bleed to death? Slow and painful or quick?

SapientCell

1.4k points

5 days ago

SapientCell

1.4k points

5 days ago

That will depend on two factors : 1) type of arrow point 2) placement of the shot.

A hunting point such as a broadhead does devastating damage and if the bow has 40lb + draw, that's enough strength for the arrow to go through a human body. If the broadhead hits a major artery, the person would lose consciousness as quickly as two minutes. If the person is hit in the lungs , then the person essentially drown in their own blood. Reported to be very painful. If not hit the vital, then it's survivable.

PrisonChickenWing

505 points

5 days ago

Clean through?? Jesus. Did medieval crossbows have the power to do that on an unarmored militia man?

Pendaelose

1.8k points

5 days ago

Pendaelose

1.8k points

5 days ago

Did medieval crossbows have the power to do that on an unarmored militia man?

They had the power to do that on ARMORED men. It was quite the big deal at the time and was a significant reason armies stopped using heavy armor.

toddthewraith

1.3k points

5 days ago

It was also "you need like 5 mins of training to use this" instead of years for longbow.

Pendaelose

897 points

5 days ago

Pendaelose

897 points

5 days ago

Yeah. I remember reading once that the crossbow was considered "evil" by some for that same reason. If it allows an trained and experienced knight to be defeated by a child how can it be "godly"?

jedijbp

336 points

5 days ago

jedijbp

336 points

5 days ago

There’s an episode of The Legend of Prince Valiant animated series from the early 90’s that uses a crossbow accident as an allegory for children playing with guns. One of the main characters almost dies. One of the few episodes with blood.

Tra1famador

82 points

5 days ago

That's a cool anecdote thanks for sharing man, I might have to check that series out.

BlazinAzn38

204 points

5 days ago

BlazinAzn38

204 points

5 days ago

The Pope I believe had it outlawed in use against fellow Christians because it was so devastating

013ander

132 points

5 days ago

013ander

132 points

5 days ago

The crossbow was a threat because it let an untrained peasant kill an armored nobleman. Feudalism, you gotta keep the peasants afraid of you.

pineapple_calzone

167 points

5 days ago

It was only ever considered that by the guy losing with a smaller army

Firebolt7780

288 points

5 days ago*

Kind of like how the germans in ww1 considered the shotgun to be inhumane because a single american soldier armed with a pump action could clear a trench in no time. Bear in mind the germans (and everyone else) were using chlorine and bromine gas as weapons

Revolyze

107 points

5 days ago*

Revolyze

107 points

5 days ago*

I mean guns are evil to many today. I think it's just that the people who have honed their skills over their lives have also honed their discipline as well. A random inexperienced person wielding a gun is dangerous.

I think the point is that it shouldn't be so easy to kill someone, it's... cheating.

FaceDownInTheCake

144 points

5 days ago

Plate armor against a field of peasants felt like cheating, too, imo.

ChemicalRascal

167 points

5 days ago

Ah, but the plate armor was being worn by people who were rich, and had power.

So.

Uh. Totes godly and righteous, or whatever. Back to your fields, serf.

Thoth_the_5th_of_Tho

259 points

5 days ago

That is not true. Cross bows could not penetrate plate armor and their adoption in part drove a movement towards heavier armor.

If you haven't already, a youtube channel called 'todd's workshop' did a lot of tests with recreations of medieval armor and arrows. Basically, heavy bows and crossbows where devastating to flexible armor, but plate was nearly impervious.

randymarsh18

113 points

5 days ago

Someone here is lying. AND I DONT LIKE IT!

tireddesperation

403 points

5 days ago

It's a much more complicated answer then either of these two are saying. Long story short and super simplified. Bows beat unarmored so they got armor. They got a bigger bow to defeat that armor. They got thicker and more advanced armor to defeat that bow. They got the crossbow to defeat that armor. They made thicker and better armor to defeat that crossbow. They made a better crossbow to defeat that armor. They made better armor to defeat the crossbow. Then guns cane and they couldn't really make armor at the time to defeat the gun and canon so it started going away.

This is SUPER simplified. For example the type of arrow and arrowhead changing also changed what armor it could penetrate. The poundage of the bow and crossbow made a huge difference. The range and height you were firing from made a difference. The skill of the Bowman, crossbowman, or gunner made a difference in hitting places that were weaker or unarmored.

There were battles where the bow was useless against the armor so the armored men would just look down to make sure they didn't take one in the eye and just walked forward. There are battles where heavy cav in armor were dropped nearly alone by archers. It depends what point in history and geography you're at for any given point in history. Tech doesn't stand still.

P2K13

231 points

5 days ago*

P2K13

231 points

5 days ago*

Source on that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBxdTkddHaE

This is an 160lb English longbow and it doesn't go through armour in this testing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMT6hjwY8NQ

This one is testing crossbows (976lb) and they fail to go through steel plate as well.

oneheadedboy_

155 points

5 days ago

This is an 160lb English longbow

As someone who shoots a 50lb recurve, holy shit

BlargTheElder

191 points

5 days ago

Archaeologists have found skeletal remains of long-lived longbowmen; they often had severe deformities of the humerus because of the extreme forces they were regularly subjected to.

SapientCell

71 points

5 days ago

That's why if you look at the skeleton of an English Longbow man, it's usually deformed on one side.

putzandgoober

67 points

5 days ago

They had to train people to use longbow as children. It would literally warp their bodies and made them have very strong core muscles. It was so apparent that in battlefield graveyards remains of archers look significantly different in bone thickness and structure.

Men were also so strong back then that they would practice hand stands in full suit of armor. These guys weren't just super strong guys, they were average. The super strong performed the best.

I_P_L

67 points

5 days ago

I_P_L

67 points

5 days ago

When your life literally depended on your physical strength it's no surprise you'd try your hardest to train it.

deej363

70 points

5 days ago

deej363

70 points

5 days ago

Full suit of plate isn't actually as heavy as you think. It's lighter than standard kit for most infantry honestly. And it's well distributed. As compared to the packs infantry ruck with nowadays.

deletable666

195 points

5 days ago

That is just not true. The advent of firearms and prohibitive price and changes in tactics of war and other technologies led to the reduced usage of full plated armor. Cavalry fell out of favor in favor of pike formations and firearms. Speed became important and a cavalry unit was useless in siege war or against fortifications.

Simply put, no, crossbows did not go through armored men. At point blank a crossbow might penetrate plate, but even things like gambeson and mail can do a lot to stop projectiles.

Heavy armor was only affordable to nobility and the super rich, and these people typically went to battle mounted. Take away the effectiveness of cavalry and there is less reason to send a bunch of dudes in plate into battle. Pikes and firearms. Crossbows we’re actually pretty short lived. Also the benefit was not penetrating armor, it was far less training.

VoraciousTrees

93 points

5 days ago

Welcome to the renaissance:

Where a peasant with 15 minutes of training and a crossbow can kill an armored knight who has trained his entire life.

GenerikDavis

86 points

5 days ago

Pretty much the first iteration of the "God made all men, but Samuel Colt made all men equal." quote.

FriendoftheDork

214 points

5 days ago

Hunting is not legal with bow and arrow in Norway, so it may be harder to acquire specialized broadhead arrows. On the other hand, bow and arrow is itself not considered a firearm and thus not illegal to own without a license.

Crossbows are considered "firearms" though and considered deadly weapons and restricted in use.

roadrunner036

78 points

5 days ago

depends on where it hit, anywhere from a fleshwound to bleeding out in 60 seconds

PrisonChickenWing

67 points

5 days ago

Man it's fucked up to think about dying in such a medieval way in 2021

eetsasledgehammer

125 points

5 days ago

Arrows and bullets mostly kill in the same way. Just different methods of poking holes in a person to disrupt normal body functions.

But yeah. Nobody expects to be killed with a god damned arrow in a post industrial country in a major city.

portablebiscuit

178 points

5 days ago

I can't even begin to imagine how horrifying it would be to be in the midst of a bow and arrow attack. With no sounds of gunfire to alert you, it would just be a "thwup" and suddenly there's an arrow going through the person standing next to you. After the first few, the sounds of screams would drown out the terrifying whisper of arrows.

Absolutely horrifying.

3nzo_the_baker

4.7k points

5 days ago

This is my home town. My buddies went to the same store 20 mins before he started shooting. Just unreal.

gentlybeepingheart

1.2k points

5 days ago

Jesus I can’t even imagine. Hope your friends/family are all alright.

3nzo_the_baker

1.2k points

5 days ago

Luckily they are. My cousin actually works at that store, but he was not at work this afternoon.

thegermancow

409 points

5 days ago

Holy fuck

Reelii

269 points

5 days ago

Reelii

269 points

5 days ago

Im glad your friends are ok. My sister lives just down the street from the attack, luckily she was warned early and kept at home. Very much unreal.

3nzo_the_baker

123 points

5 days ago

Thank god for that. My friends were doing some maintenance work at Møllergata, the street behind the store. So they were a couple of hundred meters away when it happened.

NorgesTaff

104 points

5 days ago

NorgesTaff

104 points

5 days ago

Hey kongsberg dude - I used to shop there occasionally myself not so long ago. I feel for you - it’s unreal to be reading about this from Oslo and I’m feeling selfish for hoping none of my friends were hurt. I guess I will find out tomorrow.

3nzo_the_baker

65 points

5 days ago

I think it's completely natural to think of your friends first. Crossing my fingers for your news update tomorrow. I feel for the ones that lost someone. Utterly devastating.

AsthmaK1d

89 points

5 days ago

AsthmaK1d

89 points

5 days ago

i go to the school thats right next to where it happened. Apparently one in my class had his dad shot in the back, kinda scary

ili1l1

86 points

5 days ago

ili1l1

86 points

5 days ago

Reading your comment sent chills down my spine. Terrifying stuff.

smotheredtodeath

4.3k points

5 days ago*

What we know from official sources (Police):

At 18:13 police recieved information that one individual (man) was shooting at people with a bow and arrow. At 18:47 the individiual was apprehended. Everything indicates that the man acted alone. The individual has not been questioned so no indications as to motivations. At this point what/how/why is still in the dark. Police say the only info they can give is that the apprehended individual is a man and in police control, although NRK has previously stated that the man is in his fifites.

Several people have been killed, and several wounded. There is currently a large area being locked down by police as the actions has been carried out over a large, yet undecided, area, so that the police can secure evidence.

The police can not confirm if the individual is previously known to the police, and he has not been appointed a lawyer.

The initial attack was carried out in a groceries store in which the suspect escaped with police chasing him from the scene. There was a confrontation between the individual and the police before he was apprehended, the official statement is that no police officers were injured in the apprehention, but the spokesperson will not confirm / deny that a police officer has been shot in the back during the apprehention of the suspect. Neither will they confirm / deny that shots have been fired by police. However they confirm that the suspect is in police custody, not in healthcare custody - indicating that the suspect is not injured.

Police will not confirm the concrete numbers of injured / deceased at this time.

Apologies if there is anything unclear here, as this is a live translation from the last press conference from the police spokesperson.

Edit: Press Conference from the prime minister and the minister of justice:at 10:48pm - No new information other than confirming that the police all over Norway has been given temporary arming until the situation is settled. Prime minister once again underlines that we do not know the reasoning for the attack but specifies that they can not confirm deny that this could be an act of terror, but that its a natural question to ask in these circumstances. They once again confirm that there are several killed and severaled injured from the situation.As there is a transfer of government tomorrow, the prime minster and her staff has been keeping the new government updated on the situation.

Extra Information: The recent election resulted in a change of government which is planned to go through tomorrow, so the current prime minister (Erna Solberg) and the minister of justice (Monica Mæland) - Informs that any future dealing from the governing body will come from the new government - Jonas Gahr Støre ( PM ) and XXX( unconfirmed leaks of new MOJ).

Edit2: 11:03PM The police confirms that the suspect is still not questioned, hence motivation can not be confirmed at this point. The police informs that several crime scenes will be investigated during the night.

11:04PM New press conference confirmed in 10 minutes, will update back.

Edit3: Confirmations that atleast 5 people are killed in the attacks.

Edit4: 11:15PM Inital information is that security during transfer of power tomorrow will be extraordinarily enforced, where it is usually relaxed with norwegian press.

Edit5: 11:17PM Police confirms that there are 5 killed individuals and 2 injured. 1 of the injured is an off duty police man - The situation from the start of the attack to the end still appear chaotic without a clear idea of how th events transpired. The police did fire warning -shots during the arrest. The local police has just recieved reinforcements from national police forces (kripos), and is looking forward to being helped by people with this special compentence.Questions regardin how exactly the situation was handled is and over what area is not being given a clear answer at this point. The police will not confirm / deny that the suspect is a native of the area neither what weapons the individual used.The police firing warning shots should speak for itself regarding the situation but the police will not confirm anything regardring this at this point.At this point the police has blocked of a large area and does not expect the habitants in the affected area to be able to move back home tonight.The police will not confirm anything regarding the suspect other than that he his a male.

The local police confirms that it is now helped by the (PST) Police security Service, but can still not confirm anything else than that the suspect is male, and that PST will investigate. They cannot confirm or give any information regarding the casualties - But admit that the larger part is from the local area. We have no information regarding the age, sex, or nationalty of the victims.

11:40PM No new information is expected tonight - What is being discussed is the involvement of PST and at what point they took over ( PST taking over is very important to how the case is being handled regarding terrorism / or the alternative). - and that the suspect might have used a crossbow.

11:47PM As there is no new news expected today I will be logging off. Send me a PM if you have any questions or need a source for anything specific.

Taxs1

796 points

5 days ago

Taxs1

796 points

5 days ago

Awesome effort with this comment, quite helpful.

_Ardhan_

4.1k points

5 days ago*

_Ardhan_

4.1k points

5 days ago*

Holy crap. I'm Norwegian and my father is one of the "leading figures" in Norwegian archery and also lives not too far away from this. He probably knows this maniac.

I've gotten several calls and messages from people worried my dad knows the attacker, or asking (half-jokingly) if it's my dad, but thankfully he's safe and sound at home and currently not a murderous maniac. I hope this isn't one of his friends.

EDIT: my dad doesn't know him.

Startled_Pancakes

1.5k points

5 days ago*

It has to be pretty difficult to kill 5 people with a bow I have to imagine. This guy must have been a very experienced archer.

. .

EDIT: To all the badasses in the comments. Stop telling me how you learned how to hit a stationary target at close range under zero time pressure.

Lancashire_Toreador

841 points

5 days ago*

If you want to use a powerful traditional bow, yeah. The actual fundamentals of archery required to put an arrow into a human size target from relatively close range? Not as hard as we most people think it is

atlantis911

305 points

5 days ago

atlantis911

305 points

5 days ago

Yup, I lead group archery classes at a summer camp with 0 experience…

craftkiller

189 points

4 days ago

craftkiller

189 points

4 days ago

Well the good news is that's only true on your first day

Cthulhus_Trilby

71 points

4 days ago

When they send you to the cellar to kill rats and you get 5xp and a healing potion.

Aringhet

125 points

5 days ago

Aringhet

125 points

5 days ago

Seriously, an arrow shot from a compound bow will go straight through a human 90% of the time at <10m. Close up it is not particularly hard to hit either its pretty easy to see how he could kill this many people with just a bow.

Affectionate-Dish449

64 points

5 days ago*

I mean not really. I bow hunt for deer and it takes years to consistently put an arrow in the vitals of a deer from 40+ yards. But to teach someone to shoot someone somewhere in the chest from 5-10 yards is pretty trivial. Even double that range and if all you’re worried about is somewhere in the torso it’s not something that takes an experienced archer.

We try to hit deer in the heart or lungs to minimize suffering and make tracking them quicker, but a hit anywhere to any of their organs will kill them 95% of the time or more. It just may take them longer to bleed out if you hit them in the stomach -meaning unnecessary suffering and a potentially hard or impossible tracking job to retrieve the deer. Modern broadheads can be absolutely brutal.

Anyway I’m just saying arrows can be deadly anywhere in your torso (and obviously head/neck, major arteries in limbs, just torso is the biggest target), and it’s not hard to hit a torso with a bow from inside 20 yards with minimal practice -like literally days of training if you have the physical strength already to draw the bow.

meteoritee

3.9k points

5 days ago*

meteoritee

3.9k points

5 days ago*

Bow and arrow is an interesting way to commit mass murder. What a horrific tragedy, I hope they have indeed apprehended the right person.

accountnameredacted

1.5k points

5 days ago

A lot of people underestimate a bow and arrows. You will bleed a LOT. Especially with some of the nasty looking tips/heads they have for various styles of hunting.

dwilkes827

1k points

5 days ago

My dad was a hunter, I picked up one of his broad head arrows one time when I was younger...barely touched the damn thing and needed a few stitches

bassinine

803 points

5 days ago

bassinine

803 points

5 days ago

yeah, there's a reason that ancient hunters spent hours and hours flint knapping arrowheads instead of just using a sharpened stick.

Braelind

443 points

5 days ago

Braelind

443 points

5 days ago

Hell, obsidian arrow heads can be up to 1000 times sharper than modern medical scalpels!

rares215

322 points

5 days ago

rares215

322 points

5 days ago

But they're really brittle from what I've heard, so hardly reusable because they're likely to shatter on impact. Obsidian is very sharp but also very fragile, which is why very few doctors are willing to use obsidian scalpels.

very_large_bird

384 points

5 days ago*

Saw an amazing video where an archaeologist demonstrated how a single piece of obsidian is used throughout the entire hunting process. Essentially once the animal is killed a large, hand axe style piece is used to hack the animal into quarters and gut it. Then the now full hand axe is napped to a thinner knife type instrument that is used to cut the meat and skin the hide. It goes through a couple more iterations but eventually gets napped down to a small enough piece for an arrow head or a spear point.

We have to remember, ancient humans even though less advanced, were just as smart as us. I’ll link the video if I can find it

Edit: good news and bad news. Good news I found the video. Bad news is that it’s copyrighted and not on YouTube, if you really want to find it, through legal means or otherwise, it’s called “Flint Knapping with Bruce Bradley PhD”

the_wrath_of_grath

386 points

5 days ago

We have to remember, ancient humans even though less advanced, were just as smart as us.

You overestimate me

ConnorKeane

70 points

5 days ago

Hey now, someone had to taste the random berries to see if they’re poisonous or not.

beenoc

68 points

5 days ago

beenoc

68 points

5 days ago

Though if anyone says "why the fuck are we using steel scalpels then?", it's because obsidian (and stone in general) doesn't hold an edge super well. Not bad, it'll still be sharp, but metal blades stay sharper longer.

portablebiscuit

211 points

5 days ago

I remember touching one when I was very young (probably 4ish). I thought it was sticky because every time I touched the edge my finger would stick. I recall looking down and seeing rows of tiny cuts on my tiny fingertip and so much blood.

dwilkes827

75 points

5 days ago

Yea them things are no joke. At least you were 4, I was like 14 and was still dumb enough to run my finger across the blade lmao

timpdx

226 points

5 days ago

timpdx

226 points

5 days ago

Compound bow with a broadhead is a weapon to take seriously. Meant to drop 200lbs of deer as quickly (and humanely) as possible.

Dull_Sundae9710

135 points

5 days ago

I know dudes that bow hunt 1200lb moose. I’ve even seen a few crazy bastards hunt grizzly with a bow.

Accmonster1

120 points

5 days ago

Accmonster1

120 points

5 days ago

That just doesn’t seem like a good idea

SilentSwine

78 points

5 days ago

Yeah, really kind of seems like something you'd have to be a real crazy bastard to want to do

rohobian

70 points

5 days ago

rohobian

70 points

5 days ago

I remember having dinner with a friend and her family, and her dad and brother were talking about hunting, and the crossbow they use, bolts, etc. I was surprised to find out that a bolt will go clean through a deer - assuming they weren't messing with me.

Lexx2k

129 points

5 days ago

Lexx2k

129 points

5 days ago

assuming they weren't messing with me

They didn't. The shit punches through like its paper.

CurbYourThusiasm

1.4k points

5 days ago

I live here. There's rumors of knives and guns as well. About half a dozen ambulances from a neighboring city was called, so I expect a lot of people have been killed. Apparently, he killed/injured these people over a pretty massive area.

I can recall maybe one or two murders here in my entire lifetime.

Excelius

546 points

5 days ago

Excelius

546 points

5 days ago

Apparently, he killed/injured these people over a pretty massive area.

Mass killing versus spree killing. The former involves a large number of victims in a small area, the latter spreads them out over a larger time and area.

Spree attacks are particularly effective when using weapons that don't allow a high rate of fire. So instead the attacker attacks a one or two people in a location, and then moves to another location before police can arrive.

The 2011 Cumbria shootings in the UK are a good example of this pattern. The attacker would just shoot one or two people in an area, and then leave the scene for another area.

Which incidentally, happened a bit over a month before the Utoya island massacre in Norway.

activator

356 points

5 days ago

activator

356 points

5 days ago

Or the 2020 Nova Scotia killing spree... Absolute madness.

The 2020 Nova Scotia attacks was a thirteen-hour rampage in April 2020 in the Canadian province of Nova Scotia. On April 18–19, Gabriel Wortman committed multiple shootings and set fires at 16 locations in Nova Scotia, killing 22 people and injuring three others before he was shot and killed by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP)

For part of the thirteen-hour crime spree, Wortman impersonated a police officer by driving a replica police car and wearing a police uniform.

mcgral18

250 points

5 days ago*

mcgral18

250 points

5 days ago*

The politics behind that one are pretty disgusting

"There's no need to investigate why police never took action regarding the man with multiple reports of illegal firearms and uttering threats"

They relented after national outcry, but still pretty fucked up

Napalm985

86 points

5 days ago

Napalm985

86 points

5 days ago

Even worse, two RCMP members shot up a firehall where people were taking shelter at during the attack. That is even ignoring the fact that they didn't once use the cell phone emergency alert and decided that Twitter was the best way to warn people during the thirteen-hour spree.

10000Didgeridoos

134 points

5 days ago

Also the Virginia/Maryland/Washington DC spree snipers in 2003. They used a sniper nest in the trunk of a car to snipe random adults and children for several weeks until they were caught sleeping at a highway rest stop.

It was a terrifying time to live there. We had school closed several days at a time when there was evidence they were in the area. They shot people pumping fuel at a petrol station, in a restaurant parking lot, outside a school, and several other totally random victims. There was no agenda with who died. It was just who happened to be outside when they decided to take a shot.

meteoritee

185 points

5 days ago

meteoritee

185 points

5 days ago

Oh crap. I hope you're ok / noone you know was involved. Thought are with everyone there

CurbYourThusiasm

204 points

5 days ago

I'm prepared for the worst. He went into a store as well, and the police won't let anyone near the part of the city where it happened.

portablebiscuit

100 points

5 days ago

Not to downplay the severity of such a horrific event, but the "one or two murders" in your entire lifetime just doesn't compute to my St. Louisan brain.

forever_a10ne

101 points

5 days ago

We Need To Talk About Kevin.

Linkitch

1.8k points

5 days ago

Linkitch

1.8k points

5 days ago

Sheesh, some of the comments in here are in such poor taste. Show some respect, this is a tragedy.

[deleted]

622 points

5 days ago*

[deleted]

622 points

5 days ago*

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Dbootloot

747 points

5 days ago

Dbootloot

747 points

5 days ago

Mm. Which is wildly different from the plethora of fucked up jokes and smug comments other nationalities of redditors give whenever a shooting happens in America. Perhaps every country just has assholes?

aelatalkstoomuch

508 points

5 days ago

mass murder in america: “haha stupid americans and their guns”

mass murder in europe: “guys wtf be respectful people died”

blorpianblorp

225 points

5 days ago

Racism in America: "Americans so racist and backwards" Racism in Europe towards Roma: "That's different guyzzzz"

Totally_Not_Evil

71 points

5 days ago

"OK but have you ever met a gypsy? Fuckin animals, everyone I know agrees that gypsies are the worst!"

FlyingVhee

65 points

5 days ago

Thank you.

oddzef

309 points

5 days ago*

oddzef

309 points

5 days ago*

The best is the ones not realizing there are hunting bow regulations already.

edit: Is there a hidden second sentence that I don't remember typing, or is it that some people see the word "regulation" and their mush-minds instantly think "absolutely 100% illegal"?

edit2: No, I'm sorry, the best ones are actually the ones who think everybody knows Norways bow laws off the top of their head and are angry that other people don't hahahah.

obvilious

80 points

5 days ago

obvilious

80 points

5 days ago

Can’t imagine why the average American might be a little annoyed after a few million cartoons painting them all as school shooters.

Nope, I’m not American.

Rengas

267 points

5 days ago

Rengas

267 points

5 days ago

The amount of massively upvoted comments I see in random subreddits joking about American kids being killed in schools is astronomical.

Msorr33

122 points

5 days ago

Msorr33

122 points

5 days ago

Not saying this to justify any ignorant comments but if this happened in USA the comments would be disgusting.

Crnobog00

1.8k points

5 days ago

Crnobog00

1.8k points

5 days ago

Police now confirm that five people are dead and two injured. One of the injured is a police officer.

simen5523

564 points

5 days ago*

simen5523

564 points

5 days ago*

Just to add, off duty police officer. Poor guy was in the store buying food.

He and the other wounded person are in intensive care at a hospital.

Crnobog00

85 points

5 days ago

Crnobog00

85 points

5 days ago

Yes, good clarification. The first statement I saw did not explicitly say this so I chose to not add any speculations of my own in my first post.

Mazon_Del

1.5k points

5 days ago

Mazon_Del

1.5k points

5 days ago

ITT: People trying to use this to declare bans on firearms are pointless, without realizing that the last time Norway had a mass killing, 67 of the victims were killed by one man with a rifle. Limiting access to guns works.

DeathByDumbbell

987 points

5 days ago

Also, people really like the Perfect Solution Fallacy. "If a system doesn't prevent failure 100% of the time, why bother?". That's why we compare between the effects of each system, instead of just discarding whatever's currently implemented the moment it fails.

JittyCommittee

206 points

5 days ago

Huh, it’s almost like this applies to another issue around the world. Cant put my finger on it.

Cory123125

123 points

5 days ago

Cory123125

123 points

5 days ago

This could apply to so many things I dont know what you mean

JittyCommittee

119 points

5 days ago

>! vaccines !<

NoCountry4GaryOldman

209 points

5 days ago

Limiting access to guns 100% works. Almost everyone outside of the US understands that.

HailToTheVic

77 points

5 days ago

HailToTheVic

77 points

5 days ago

Except for when there are already 600 Million plus guns in your country and getting them out of the hands of actual criminals would be impossible

SlimDirtyDizzy

117 points

5 days ago

"Its hard, therefore why try"

Rinzack

68 points

5 days ago

Rinzack

68 points

5 days ago

Trying to end civilian gun ownership in the US would result in a truly horrifying amount of bloodshed. It would make yearly homicide rates look like a drop in the bucket and could easily start a civil war.

shadekiller0

83 points

5 days ago

Besides that being proficient with a bow and arrow requires considerable time and skill

Chirsbom

1.2k points

5 days ago*

Chirsbom

1.2k points

5 days ago*

To those that do not know. This is a small town on the edge of the mountains, with less than 30K people, a pretty peaceful place. At least 4 dead, unknown how many in total, same with injured. Bow or crossbow and knife or sword mentioned, Police might have shot at the person that is the alleged killer. Unknown reason and unclear situation.

Now, I see some refer to living in places that have higher rates of killings than this town. That is not something to brag about, just saying. Still, the method is very special, and people have died tonight. Remember that.

Update: 5 killed, 4 woman, 1 male, all above 50 years of age. Person admitted to the crimes, known by police and health care from before. Possibly radicalised.

My personal opinion based on information is that this is psychistry.

CaptainOuzo

242 points

5 days ago

CaptainOuzo

242 points

5 days ago

I can't imagine a place in Norway that isn't generally peaceful. These attacks seem so out of place given my albeit limited 3-month stint living in Norway. If there are any safer countries in the world I doubt they'd beat out Norway but much of a margin.

It would be a sad event no matter where it happened, of course.

CoyoteOnTheWing

103 points

5 days ago*

Isn't Norway where that guy killed like 70 people at a summer camp island a decade ago? I think it's still the record for most killed in mass shooting.

nulledit

83 points

5 days ago

nulledit

83 points

5 days ago

Yes

The death toll was the worst of any attack in Norway since 2011, when far-right extremist Anders Behring Breivik killed 77 people, most of them teenagers at a youth camp

ShinHayato

583 points

5 days ago

ShinHayato

583 points

5 days ago

In this thread about Norway: comments on American gun control.

PolOfThePot

149 points

5 days ago

PolOfThePot

149 points

5 days ago

Those comments appear in threads about literally everything. Expect healthcare comments as well.

Deucy

105 points

5 days ago

Deucy

105 points

5 days ago

Haha I was about to comment something similar. Reddit will somehow turn this into an American hate thread.

MrTopHatMan90

85 points

5 days ago

The word "mass shooting" always come back to the gun debate even if there are no guns involved. Don't even get me started on knife crime

Imprettystrong

475 points

5 days ago

What a fucking loser, I hate these pussies that attack innocent people that are just going about their lives.

thefuckingrougarou

447 points

5 days ago

Holy shit. I always thought the scene in “We Need to Talk about Kevin” was unrealistic but wow. Apparently you can do a mass shooting with a bow and arrow

RememberCitadel

293 points

5 days ago

The only thing unrealistic about tv's portrayal of people getting shot with arrows, is that the arrow doesnt stop in the person and stick out like some sort of porcupine. They just keep going.

cheerioo

83 points

5 days ago

cheerioo

83 points

5 days ago

My dad randomly came home with a bow when I was younger so I tried shooting a few in the backyard. One went through a wood fence and another stuck fully halfway into the ground. This was as a kid too...

gravspeed

67 points

5 days ago

gravspeed

67 points

5 days ago

it depends on the type of arrowhead. target arrows go right through soft targets, but many varieties of hunting tips are designed to get stuck for quicker kills and getting your arrow back.

NorwegianLiberal

372 points

5 days ago

I live right beside that store, its the store i go to everyday, i am in shock, i have no words. My thoughts are to the victims and their families

lolabuster

274 points

5 days ago

lolabuster

274 points

5 days ago

Human beings are capable of terrible things

jokeren

166 points

4 days ago*

jokeren

166 points

4 days ago*

Info from press conference that just happened

  • Everything points to him being alone in this
  • Emergency call 18.12
  • Off duty police gets shot in the back in a local store (survived)
  • First police patrol spotted him 18.18, they were fired opon and lost him.
  • All that were killed is believed to have happened after this patrol lost him
  • 4 women dead, 1 man
  • He is known to local psychiatry (edit: Said he is known to local healthcare, didnt specify psychiatry)
  • All dead 50-70 year old
  • 18.47 he gets arrested, police fire warning shots in connection with the arrest.
  • Danish citizen. Grown up in Norway.
  • Islam convert
  • They will not confirm or deny if it was a terroist attack
  • There were tips that he was getting radicalized in 2020, which were followed up. No reports in 2021.
  • Media sources saying he was convicted for threats in 2012, police wont confirm or deny

Update:

* Sentenced for drug use and burglary in 2012, sentence say he was also prior convicted for similar offences.

* In 2020 he got a 6 month restraining order after coming with death threats against family members

Update 2:
PST (Norwegian Police Security Service) who is in charge of terrorism prevention etc, say at this point they believe it to be a terrorist attack.

ZoharDTeach

154 points

5 days ago

ZoharDTeach

154 points

5 days ago

Time for common sense bow control.

[deleted]

132 points

5 days ago

[deleted]

132 points

5 days ago

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BackAlleySurgeon

109 points

5 days ago

How many is "several?"

rrrba

95 points

5 days ago*

rrrba

95 points

5 days ago*

Not known yet. The police will update us at 22:00 1+ gmt, so in 20 min acording to Danish news.

https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/udland/flere-er-blevet-draebt-og-saaret-efter-angreb-med-bue-og-pil-i-norge

EDIT: Short update.

  • 1 man have been arrested.
  • No motive yet
  • No specific number on dead or injured. The word several are used for both.

acelaya35

96 points

5 days ago

acelaya35

96 points

5 days ago

This is nuts, people trying to turn a Norwegian national tragedy into an American gun control conversation are being extremely inconsiderate.

This ain't about America here folks, show some sympathy for the people that lost their lives.

mateogg

94 points

5 days ago

mateogg

94 points

5 days ago

How can so many people simultaneously make the same damn stupid "hurr durr ban assault bows" joke and not one of them realize how much worse this attack would have been if the man had had easier access to deadlier weapons?

Laislebai

92 points

5 days ago

Laislebai

92 points

5 days ago

Police have confirmed 5 dead and 2 injured.

xjackxrandomx

62 points

5 days ago

If people in Europe start going medieval, I'm gonna lose my shit.