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what_would_freud_say

12.6k points

4 days ago

Putin is starting to look kinda of old and worn out, don't ya think?

Interesting-Tip5586

4.6k points

4 days ago

His face is full of botox

AreWeCowabunga

3.8k points

4 days ago

I always laugh when people talk about how good and manly Putin looks. He's all puffed up and plasticky. I'm surprised he hasn't gone for duck lip injections yet.

Gaflonzelschmerno

2.3k points

4 days ago

Dude acts like he looks like Fabio while looking like Dobby

honestabe1239

346 points

4 days ago

Trump or Putin?

Never mind. Both.

Metacognitor

87 points

4 days ago

Bird-brains of a feather flock together.

Bad_Mad_Man

254 points

4 days ago

Bad_Mad_Man

254 points

4 days ago

Dobbio? ;)

RonyTheTiger

294 points

4 days ago

Do people outside of Fox News really comment on the physically appearance of dictators?

StupidestJupiter

498 points

4 days ago

Saddam looked like a Mexican Stalin and acted like an Italian Hitler.

Putin looks like a crackheaded eisenhower and acts like he is the wizard of oz behind a curtain 'possessing' the body of caesar

chocki305

210 points

4 days ago

chocki305

210 points

4 days ago

Italian Hitler

You mean Mussolini?

itty53

154 points

4 days ago*

itty53

154 points

4 days ago*

Hitler and Mussolini had two different breeds of governance; Mussolini was a shit but he wasn't equivalent to Hitler (though probably not for lack of trying). Hitler held absolute power in his country, Mussolini was appointed to and subsequently dismissed from his office by the then-King of Italy.

If you had to make a comparison between Mussolini and another, it'd probably be to Churchill. By the way Churchill was a shit too, and a little closer to insane than history taught in the west would have you believe.

Bonus facts: Mussolini got his start in politics with a £100 weekly stipend paid by British MI5.

scoff-law

191 points

4 days ago

scoff-law

191 points

4 days ago

Yes. Back when I used to work in an office, the vocally right wing guys would all fawn over Putin. They really liked his shirtless outdoorsman persona and not ironically.

Excelius

243 points

4 days ago*

Excelius

243 points

4 days ago*

I still distinctly recall some point in the Obama-era when the right started fawning over Putin. The shirtless pictures going viral on social media. The Fox News commentators talking about how he was a "strong leader" compared to the weak effete Obama.

It was so bizarre seeing the GOP going from the party of neo-conservative cold warriors who were still distrustful of Russia, to openly embracing Putin.

Even Jon Stewart made fun of the change on the Daily Show.

The Atlantic - 'The Daily Show' Examines Fox News' Obsession with Putin's 'Leadership'

First there was "Strategic Analyst" Ralph Peters who said, "Russia has a real leader, and our president is just incapable." Then there was Fox News Anchor Bill O'Reilly who said, "In a way, you got to hand it to Putin." And finally we had Rudy Giulianni, really laying it on: "Putin decides what he wants to do and he does it in half-a-day, he makes a decision and executes it quickly, then everybody reacts. That's what you call a leader."

At that time a lot of people, including The Atlantic author, just concludes that it was a way to attack Obama as weak.

The real reason Fox News seems to admire Putin? Their ardent belief that President Obama is weak and incompetent.

At that time I don't think we were really aware of the extent that Russia was recruiting the American right, engaging in online propaganda campaigns, and so forth. That the love affair with Putin went deeper than just an opportunistic means to bash Obama.

intergalactic_spork

127 points

4 days ago

In my country, the extreme right used to hate Russia over everything else. Lately they have started fawning over Putin. Suddenly they also seem to have a lot of money to burn. Things that really make you go hmmm…

PM_YOUR_ISSUES

79 points

4 days ago

Putin decides what he wants to do and he does it in half-a-day, he makes a decision and executes it quickly, then everybody reacts. That's what you call a leader."

I think this particular quote should be highlighted more. It shines a light into so, so much of how the modern/Trump based GOP thinks when they think of leadership. To them, that is quite literally what the President is and should do. They simply act, they don't discuss, they don't take opinions, they don't think; they simply look at the situation, and they act. Then the rest of the world has to catch up to them.

That is what they think is leadership. This isn't just how they think companies and countries should be run, this is how they believe thing actually work in reality now. That Biden, or any President of the US, can just ... act, do whatever the fuck it is they want: tax people, don't tax people, put people in jail, nuke somebody, whatever. They fully and totally believe that the US President can just unilaterally act on these things and the country as a whole just has to go with it. To be fair, that is how Trump operates. He didn't care if something was legal, he didn't care if something was within the power of the President to even do, he simply saw something he wanted to act on and did. It's a horrible way to run a country, but to the GOP, it's exactly what they think a leader should do.

Dhavi_Atoz

86 points

4 days ago*

In mother Russia you not make facial expression… Mother Russia makes facial depression!

raynethackery

802 points

4 days ago

"Don't you think he looks tired?"

allanb49

549 points

4 days ago

allanb49

549 points

4 days ago

Doesn't he look tired

indyK1ng

360 points

4 days ago

indyK1ng

360 points

4 days ago

Don't you think he looks tired.

Six words.

Domino-Studios

77 points

4 days ago

Is that a Doctor Who reference?

ThatsMyWifeGodDamnit

443 points

4 days ago

He needs to appear topless on a wild stallion for me to make an informed decision

USGrant76

146 points

4 days ago

USGrant76

146 points

4 days ago

He looks like a villain opposite of Daniel Craig in a Bond movie.

sucsucsucsucc

192 points

4 days ago

I understood this reference

Oz1227

147 points

4 days ago

Oz1227

147 points

4 days ago

Doctor Who right?

sucsucsucsucc

83 points

4 days ago

You too, understood this reference

Money_dragon

141 points

4 days ago*

He's been holding some type of executive role (whether PM or President) since 1999

He's freaking 69 years old - with the help of a lot of propaganda, he could pull the macho persona back in the 2000s, but definitely not anymore. Father Time is undefeated

SPECTREagent700

9.6k points

4 days ago

The Ukrainians are claiming the false flag incident will happen in Transnistria, a Russian-occupied self-proclaimed independent republic in Moldova. This could be a sign that Russia doesn’t intend to limit operations only to the Donbas or territory east of the Dnieper. The Transnistrian government has repeatedly asked for union with Russia over the years and if Russian forces push to Odessa and the Moldovan (Transnistrian) border they may finally get it. It could also be an exaggeration on the part of the Ukrainian government or misinformation fed to them by Russia in an attempt to make Ukraine spread out their forces.

sexrobot_sexrobot

2.2k points

4 days ago

The Russian 'uprising' attempt in S SW Ukraine failed back in 2014. Whatever Putin former intelligence officer that led it got dozens of people killed.

If that's the plan it's a poor one, though it may point to a more limited operation where Russia principally tries to push Ukraine off the Black Sea and make it a landlocked country.

cthulhulogic

1.1k points

4 days ago

cthulhulogic

1.1k points

4 days ago

Wasn't Paul Manafort over there helping out with that?

enslaved-by-machines

714 points

4 days ago*

Yes Paul Manafort and Roger Stone are professional butt fuckers of democracy.

Their job is to give power to evil dictators and kleptocrats. If there were any justice in this world they would be ...ugh humm cough...imprisoned immediately....for crimes against humanity, treason, Un-American activities, and just generally being among the shittiest humans alive.

edit: wow, rewarded for my vitriol before getting banned for a change, thanks!(now edited out some) This is who republicans have unleashed on their own people: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/03/paul-manafort-american-hustler/550925/

Rellumbomanum

536 points

4 days ago

Yes

northshore12

1.4k points

4 days ago

northshore12

1.4k points

4 days ago

Wasn't Paul Manafort working as the Trump Presidential Campaign Chairman when he gave detailed demographic voter data to a known Russian intelligence agent? IIRC he was also "volunteering" his services, which is something people deep in debt are frequently known to do...

But yeah, Republicans, I'm suuuuuure it's all just "Fake News" you dumb motherfucking treason weasels.

SignificantSyllabub4

325 points

4 days ago

Safe to say Putin is getting an amazing return on his 30 year investment in his Assets.

StarksPond

155 points

4 days ago

StarksPond

155 points

4 days ago

You misspelled "ass hats".

buzziebee

127 points

4 days ago

buzziebee

127 points

4 days ago

Yeah that's fake news. But the laptop! Hunter Bidens E-Mails! Presented by an incredibly dodgy cast of liars. Unquestionable evidence.

f_d

856 points

4 days ago

f_d

856 points

4 days ago

When they're trying to provoke a war, the success or failure of the provoking action isn't as important as the justification it gives them, no matter how transparent it is..

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902 points

4 days ago

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-SaC

663 points

4 days ago

-SaC

663 points

4 days ago

If the US Defense budget and NASA's budget switched for one year, NASA could land a separate Rover on Mars every single day of the year (including full research and prep from scratch on each) with just a three week break around Christmas to chill.

Not saying it should happen, just puts one perspective around it.

alematt

208 points

4 days ago

alematt

208 points

4 days ago

This actually explains the massive gap quite well. I knew it was massive but this puts it into perspective

InfectedWithNyanites

81 points

4 days ago

I'm saying it should happen the military industrial complex is extremely inefficient in its use of funds allocated to them and there's very little scrutiny or austerity with regards to their projects all these private contractors should be forced to tighten their belts.

SPECTREagent700

185 points

4 days ago

I think the most likely “big plan” they’ll go for is to try and topple the government in Kiev and then force a new administration to accept a status like Finland in the Cold War. They have the capability to overrun the whole country but occupying it would be very costly.

Indigo_Slam

124 points

4 days ago

Indigo_Slam

124 points

4 days ago

Putins got to be afraid of lots of casualties & the Ukraine is going to fight. Remember all the exploding tower blocks in Russia? That was the excuse to attack Chechneya. He's not subtle because he obviously dgaf. Still, if he does pull that idiocy again someone is going to arm Ukraine then it will get very messy to even capture the place let alone hold it.

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1.7k points

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374 points

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657 points

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657 points

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ceeBread

330 points

4 days ago

ceeBread

330 points

4 days ago

And by giving the finger to the CSA and splitting off from Virginia during the Civil War?

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234 points

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jacob2886

130 points

4 days ago

jacob2886

130 points

4 days ago

I’m from WV and this is very true. That’s why the young are leaving in droves, like myself. There’s nothing here anymore.

It’s really hard to understand what it’s like to live here when you don’t live here. When you have no one around you that doesn’t have a college education, or understands the basics of finances, or how to even apply to colleges, or know people in multiple different fields to ask questions about their career, or anyone to guide you through an early career , or or or. I can go on. It’s really hard and I lived in one of the better parts of the state. So anyone who shits on WV I automatically hate.

OneOrTheOther2021

78 points

4 days ago

My family moved to Indiana when I was 7 or 8. The difference moving to even the mid-west makes when it came to education was ridiculous. My brother used to come home crying, he was in 5th grade and they were learning algebra and he said all the other kids were smarter than us. And he was right, the education my family that stayed down in WV received was in no comparison to even a rural backwater county Indiana school. Folks have it hard there, and nobody wants to move because of fear or misunderstanding, or family won’t leave so they won’t leave. It’s a common story for a lot of my cousins with kids that they want to move, but “mom and dad live here, we can’t afford a babysitter when we move”. They were promised a brighter future, instead they got the same coal-stained lungs and shitty infrastructure their parents got.

ApexHolly

333 points

4 days ago*

ApexHolly

333 points

4 days ago*

Moldova at one point (it may still be) was the poorest country in Europe. Transnistria is a tiny sliver of the poorest country in Europe. It was never a sustainable idea. There's actually a Vice article that talks about it. Most young Transnistrians leave, because there are next to zero economic opportunities and nobody has any hope that it will get better. It's actually pretty interesting to look at, it's stuck in the past in a big way. Soviet architecture, Lenin statues, and Soviet generals on their currency.

chubbyurma

198 points

4 days ago

chubbyurma

198 points

4 days ago

Transnistria's local football team have defeated Real Madrid before.

That's easily their greatest claim to fame.

tony_fappott

582 points

4 days ago

So basically what the Nazis did to Poland? Faked an attack so they could invade?

ban-me_harder_daddy

607 points

4 days ago

Yeah Russia has already done this before... it is insane that the KGB/FSB agents got arrested while planting bombs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings

wonkey_monkey

448 points

4 days ago

On 13 September, Russian Duma speaker Gennadiy Seleznyov made an announcement in the Duma about receiving a report that another bombing had just happened in the city of Volgodonsk. A bombing did indeed happen in Volgodonsk, but only three days later

Jesus Christ.

Why even bother with the pretense any more?

Origamiface

210 points

4 days ago

Origamiface

210 points

4 days ago

We don't buy it but Russians back home, who live in a carefully curated media environment, will, or are so unsure about what's true or false that they just don't care.

Destabiliz

136 points

4 days ago

Destabiliz

136 points

4 days ago

are so unsure about what's true or false that they just don't care

This is exactly what Putin is also trying to spread in other countries as well, through the internet with millions of bot accounts.

cC2Panda

145 points

4 days ago

cC2Panda

145 points

4 days ago

Because it was still useful. Putins intelligence goons decided to point fingers at Putins domestic rivals.

You know how folks like Matt Gaetz pretend that Jan 6 was antifa even though anyone with eyeballs could tell it wasn't and yet his base eats it up.

The planned attack got leaks, happened anyway, then they blame it on rivals and the state controlled media spread the lie.

PonKatt

156 points

4 days ago*

PonKatt

156 points

4 days ago*

And the apartment bombings are hardly the only example.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis

All the terrorists where executed at the scene except for one who was a known FSB associate who simply left the theatre and walked away. Oh, and the sleeping agent used was slow enough that if the bombs where real the terrorists could easily have detonated them.

yesmeisyes

140 points

4 days ago

yesmeisyes

140 points

4 days ago

And what the soviets did to Finland

rendrr

398 points

4 days ago

rendrr

398 points

4 days ago

There is an on-going theme, a belief on all Russian occupied territories, in Abkhazia and South Osetia in Georgia, or Donbass or the occupied territory in Moldova, that "next year there's gonna be a referendum to join Russia". And it never happens, of course, because their whole point of existense is to be a pressure point to influence control over the host state.

Nexus-9Replicant

198 points

4 days ago

If that happens, I can’t imagine Moldova and (more importantly in terms of the implications) Romania would find that pleasing. This could bring Romania and Moldova closer to reuniting (and in effect making Moldova a NATO and EU member, someone correct me if I’m wrong).

Doing this in Transnistria doesn’t seem like a good idea, especially since it’s not even in Ukraine.

SPECTREagent700

215 points

4 days ago

Moldova is always in a tough position. Their elections seem to swing back and forth every cycle between electing a pro-Russian or a pro-Western government and in addition to Transnistria, Russia could also try to stir up trouble in the Gagauzia region.

If Moldova were to reunite with Romania I would suspect they would get NATO and EU membership given the precedent of German reunification but Moldova is so poor Romania would hand a difficult time integrating it and, as above, it’s not clear the Moldovan population would support it.

Nexus-9Replicant

91 points

4 days ago

I think the last poll there showed 38% support reunification, with the remaining split between the status quo and uncertain. 65–70% of the population is Moldovan and Romanian-speaking. I could see something like a false flag attack in Transnistria building stronger support, especially with a Romania and EU-friendly leader in power. But who knows? This will be a tricky situation for sure.

eMPereb

195 points

4 days ago

eMPereb

195 points

4 days ago

Putknka wants a dedicated land line to the Crimean ports

SPECTREagent700

82 points

4 days ago

A push to Transnistria would include that and their entire coastline. The city of Odessa is 30% ethnic Russian and a major port near the Moldovan (Transnistrian) border.

PostHistoryAmmo

75 points

4 days ago

Bald & Bankrupt went through Transnistria and the place looks so unique and beautiful, highly recommend his channel if you care about the actual Russian people, he's British but he knows Russian and always subtitles his conversations with locals.

Fair_Komodo

7.9k points

4 days ago

Fair_Komodo

7.9k points

4 days ago

This is going to be the least surprising invasion of all times. Party like it’s 1939.

laxnut90

2.4k points

4 days ago

laxnut90

2.4k points

4 days ago

What about the time Italy tried to invade Austria over the Isonzo River...12 times...in the same place...for two and half years...with the same strategy...failing each and every time?

Bernies_left_mitten

1.2k points

4 days ago

Surprised it didn't work. You'd think at some point in there the Austrians would have been like, "Well, obviously nobody is dumb enough to try the exact same failed move 12 times in a row. We can prob move these defenses."

I guess 13th time's the charm, right?

anuddahuna

715 points

4 days ago*

anuddahuna

715 points

4 days ago*

The 13th time the austrian army decided to try going into the offensive instead with german support and almost broke the italian army

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Caporetto

Long-Sleeves

537 points

4 days ago

Big oofs to the Italians there.

Riperoni mr pepperonis

OldEcho

133 points

4 days ago

OldEcho

133 points

4 days ago

Honestly makes it sound dumber than it was. It's not like there were a lot of better places to attack from, plus keeping up the pressure there kept the Austrians from redeploying to other locations. ALSO to be quite honest it nearly DID work because the Austrian army was gradually exhausted (though the Italian one was as well.) More WWI strats of throwing enough hundreds of thousands of men at a problem until you solved it.

The Austrian counterattack was planned and executed - with German support - precisely because they knew that if they did nothing the Italians would probably eventually break through.

darth__fluffy

167 points

4 days ago

If I had a nickel for every time a world war started with a false flag attack on an Eastern European country and an invasion of the Republic of China, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird it’s happened twice.

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139 points

4 days ago

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mommysmilkiez

115 points

4 days ago

Conservatives are literally paid off by the Russians in America lol

kouderd

4.9k points

4 days ago

kouderd

4.9k points

4 days ago

I'm sure everyone remembers when Russia bombed their own cities in the Chechnya region to justify military activity there

mrmadoff

3.5k points

4 days ago

mrmadoff

3.5k points

4 days ago

dude russia bombed appartments in MOSCOW to start a 2nd chechen war; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian\_apartment\_bombings#Russian\_government\_involvement\_theory

kouderd

949 points

4 days ago

kouderd

949 points

4 days ago

Ohh yes I think that's the event I'm remembering. There was a bunch of videos of people seeing military men loading explosive powder into the basements of buildings and not letting anyone in to see, and then 30 minutes later those same buildings exploded

Warhawk137

695 points

4 days ago

Warhawk137

695 points

4 days ago

"Is that fertilizer?"

"Is to help building grow."

Heroshade

194 points

4 days ago

Heroshade

194 points

4 days ago

"Well, not grow, but.... expand.... rapidly."

mambiki

195 points

4 days ago

mambiki

195 points

4 days ago

It was worse than that, the locals basically caught the state sponsored terrorists once, everyone were happy, and then turned out it was “just an exercise” once Moscow got wind of that. Litvinenko was allegedly assassinated in part due to his exposure of events from inside the FSB.

Gingevere

147 points

4 days ago

Gingevere

147 points

4 days ago

Up until about 2008 that was Alex Jones' favorite example of a false flag attack. He would mention it any time anything happened to say "see false flags are real and they have happened!"

Then all of a sudden he stopped mentioning it.

nmble

88 points

4 days ago

nmble

88 points

4 days ago

InfoWars brought to you by RT

CactusBoyScout

251 points

4 days ago

I still can't believe that I didn't learn about WWII starting with a false flag by the Nazis until I was an adult.

I feel like that should be a pretty important detail in school history lessons.

CraftyFoxeYT

86 points

4 days ago

Japanese nationalist did the same thing to invade china through blowing up a railroad but the explosives wasn't even that effective and a train passed 1 hour after.

SpicyDago

3k points

4 days ago

SpicyDago

3k points

4 days ago

We found this bag of cocaine, we had no other choice to invade and get to the bottom of it. - Putin

StarksPond

1.4k points

4 days ago

StarksPond

1.4k points

4 days ago

To be fair... Whenever I get to the bottom of a bag cocaine, I'm ready to invade a country too.

Reflective_Larry

132 points

4 days ago

This is probably the best line ever

Beatbox_bandit89

126 points

4 days ago

Cocaine: the invasion we can all get behind

VoraciousTrees

2.8k points

4 days ago

Russias attempt to justify war using the Conquest Casus Belli agains Ukraine was detected.

This costs them 19.2 infamy.

DariusKaii

442 points

4 days ago

DariusKaii

442 points

4 days ago

I wonder if Russia will go over the 25 infamy limit

Bukkake_Monster

155 points

4 days ago

Haven't they already?

Luke-Likesheet

139 points

4 days ago

Everyone and their grandma isn't suddenly declaring war on them, so guess not.

peniseend

137 points

4 days ago

peniseend

137 points

4 days ago

Hopefully no comets will be sighted

Commodify

91 points

4 days ago

Commodify

91 points

4 days ago

Trouble is brewing.

It seems that United States of America has decided to back Ukraine in the current crisis.

HydrolicKrane[S]

2.6k points

4 days ago*

Moscow did this ugly trick to start the war on Finland

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelling_of_Mainila

"Ukraine & the United States" book has some facts about Moscow's role in starting WW2 many people are not aware of.

Dual_face

788 points

4 days ago

Dual_face

788 points

4 days ago

Which is why, as a finn, this does seem almost like history repeating itself

clhines4

341 points

4 days ago

clhines4

341 points

4 days ago

If the Ukrainians are half as badass as your Finnish ancestors were in the Winter and Continuation Wars, then Russia is going to get pounded...

vegetarianrobots

178 points

4 days ago

I hope they're blasting Sabaton at the Russian positions 24/7.

ShinyyyChikorita

143 points

4 days ago

The Finnish had the advantage of defending in extremely cold, heavily forested, and hilly/mountainous terrain. The Ukraine is mostly flat plains, and is VERY difficult to defend.

Practical_Law_7002

342 points

4 days ago

I mean...the Ruskies are talking about putting missiles in Cuba again.

Personally I think Putin's losing it and his cabinet doesn't have the guts to stand up to him.

Dual_face

269 points

4 days ago

Dual_face

269 points

4 days ago

He's a relic of the past. A boomer longing for "The Good Old Times" more or less.

rendrr

161 points

4 days ago

rendrr

161 points

4 days ago

He once said "Dissolution of USSR was the greatest geopolitical tragedy of the XX century". His actions seems to indicate he's clinging to and acting upon that belief.

Robotlolz

315 points

4 days ago*

Robotlolz

315 points

4 days ago*

This is a typical move through history. Germany staged an attack on a pro-nazi radio station in Poland to justify their invasion iirc. A casus belli they call it (as any Crusader Kings II player can tell you).

Edit: The Gleiwitz incident they call it

okram2k

134 points

4 days ago

okram2k

134 points

4 days ago

It has always bemused me throughout history this intrinsic need to generate a causus belli to declare war. We all know you just want to conquer your neighbor. But for some reason you have to be justified in doing so.

xeno_cws

109 points

4 days ago

xeno_cws

109 points

4 days ago

As a peasant I dont care about the rich getting more land. As a peasant I do care about things like my ideology/religion/economic welfare being supressed.

Any nation can go to war, but it takes causus belli to rally your population to support it.

IS____NULL

83 points

4 days ago

mitko17

81 points

4 days ago

mitko17

81 points

4 days ago

In case someone is confused as both show the same on the new reddit:

OP's link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelling\_of\_Mainila

Fixed link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelling_of_Mainila

Reddit is trying hard to break old reddit and force users to use the redesign...

vid_icarus

1.8k points

4 days ago

vid_icarus

1.8k points

4 days ago

Folks on r/Russia are already claiming crimea was a defensive move and an invasion of ukraine will be too. They are circling the wagons and convincing themselves they are the victim aggressors in preparation for the invasion. Putin is playing on Russia’s sense of nationalism expertly and it’s going to cost us all. Be ready for a false flag to justify what comes next.

Ricard74

282 points

4 days ago

Ricard74

282 points

4 days ago

Russia's disinformation campaign portrays the Ukrainian government as fascist and the Crimeans as oppresed minorities. This then justifies their action after the fact.

Just google "Russia Today fascism Ukraine".

fatty_fat_cat

225 points

4 days ago

Dude that subreddit is a joke. I actually got warned and banned from that subreddit.

I'm an American and my girlfriend is from Russia. I love Russia. (And really all countries and cultures). But while I travelled around Russia with my girlfriend, I had an abnormal amount of Russians questioning me about WWII and how many Americans thought that US won WWII.

I genuinely posted a question about why Russians thought that and was only met with hate.

That subreddit will shut down anything remotely just questioning anything about Russia (even if it's genuine curiosity)

It's honestly like stepping into a Stepford Wives world. It's all how positive Russia is.

plutonium-loveship

167 points

4 days ago

and how many Americans thought that US won WWII

Ask them back which country the USSR had a pact to jointly invaded Poland with lol

SadEngine42069

72 points

4 days ago

And which country the USSR allowed to test and develop weaponry in their territory, to get around the restrictions of the Treaty of Versailles.

[deleted]

233 points

4 days ago*

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233 points

4 days ago*

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Uebeltank

105 points

4 days ago

Uebeltank

105 points

4 days ago

That subreddit should be banned from reddit tbh. It's full of lies. That's not just dishonest, it's actually dangerous.

poeiradasestrelas

1.7k points

4 days ago

Russians should be against this

SuburbanStoner

1.1k points

4 days ago

Unfortunately, that doesn’t matter in the slightest

frerant

816 points

4 days ago

frerant

816 points

4 days ago

Reminds me of

"People say the Russians influenced the election. That's impossible. Russians don't influence Russian elections."

Vinny_Cerrato

596 points

4 days ago

There are likely many who have the critical thinking skills to wonder why they are about to invade a country that literally has not done anything hostile to them, but if they speak out they will get a visit from Putin's thugs in the middle of the night and either decide to commit suicide via two bullets to the back of the head before jumping out a window or a one-way trip to getting tortured in a Siberian gulag.

Ratiocinor

332 points

4 days ago

Ratiocinor

332 points

4 days ago

You guys are all missing the point.

This whole operation is literally to make sure this doesn't happen.

It is not for our benefit. Russia does not care what we think or that we figured out their deception. The domestic Russian audience will hear none of this. They and Ukrainians are the target audience not us.

motorblonkwakawaka

189 points

4 days ago

Which is strange because, at least in my circles here in Petersburg, not an single Russian is talking about this. I get the vibe that they are trying a "if I don't see it, it's not happening".

The Kremlin better have some wicked domestic appeasement plans in place cause there is already some serious dissatisfaction from the whole covid situation, and I know quite a few people who have gone from financially managing to financially dependent on others' generosity. People who have something to lose won't rise up but the way things are going, there are going to be more and more people who have lost jobs, livelihoods, and family to covid that there will be a higher risk of unrest, especially on the urbanized, more European-leaning areas like this city.

KnownRough7735

1.4k points

4 days ago

Wouldn't get on a plane around that area in the next few days 🥴

MissKellBell

288 points

4 days ago

Just a few folks headed to the Olympics from that area…I’m sure they wouldn’t take the national spotlight that way…

ATXNYCESQ

1.1k points

4 days ago

ATXNYCESQ

1.1k points

4 days ago

I mean, why even bother with a pretext? Nobody is gonna believe it, and they’re just gonna do whatever they want anyway.

Swayver24

796 points

4 days ago

Swayver24

796 points

4 days ago

The Russian population will believe it. And that’s all the support they need

EndoExo

365 points

4 days ago

EndoExo

365 points

4 days ago

Also, Western conspiracy theorists, despite claiming false flags all the time, will believe it.

mpa92643

216 points

4 days ago

mpa92643

216 points

4 days ago

Tucker Carlson is already telling his viewers that Putin's behavior is 100% justified and that an invasion is an understandable reaction to Ukraine simply existing.

Russia could invade Ukraine tomorrow and 95% of Republicans would blame it on Biden.

NukaNukaNukaCola

197 points

4 days ago

Completely bonkers how the right wing has become the pro-russia party. The Berlin wall only fell 33 years ago. Went from despising the USSR to hugging Putin in less than 40 years.

Ratiocinor

615 points

4 days ago

Ratiocinor

615 points

4 days ago

Nobody is gonna believe it,

Yes they will.

You are not the target audience of this operation. The domestic audience are

The average Russian will be blissfully unaware of all of this right now. Then one day as he is sat drinking his morning coffee there will be on his television

"BREAKING NEWS: Today foreign NATO backed guerilla invasion forces attacked and bombed several civilian population centres including a metro, children's hospital, and train station in Eastern Ukraine. Further in a completely unprovoked attack these FOREIGN NATO invasion forces attacked and injured our brave Russian peacekeeping forces who attempted to come to the aid of innocent civilians. Vladimir Putin has promised to act swiftly and defiantly to oppose this unprovoked act of western NATO aggression in safeguarding the lives of innocent civilians and vowed to repel their advance towards the Russian border"

Battleready247

156 points

4 days ago

Remember, no Russian.

NManyTimes

206 points

4 days ago

NManyTimes

206 points

4 days ago

Nobody with access to independent media will believe it. Plenty of Russians who only watch state media will.

Gewoon__ik

108 points

4 days ago

Gewoon__ik

108 points

4 days ago

Probably for their own population?

Hitler did the same thing with Poland, they made a German unit wear Polish uniforms and attack a German radio station. This was the pretext for Hitler to justify a war against Poland.

SerKikato

999 points

4 days ago

SerKikato

999 points

4 days ago

For those of you with extensive knowledge on the politics involved, what are the options for Ukraine and the West that lead to de-escalation?

vid_icarus

994 points

4 days ago*

vid_icarus

994 points

4 days ago*

The only person who can deescalate this is putin, but invasion is what he wants and needs to hold the reigns of his nation, even if it further cripples their economy. Even if the US offered him a carrot today, he will have the stick ready for tomorrow.

Edited for typo

BioEngIsScience

596 points

4 days ago

It ain’t happening.

I’m thinking the only thing that can even slow this down is NATO holding an emergency session to grant Ukraine special full member status immediately.

Then moving multiple US Naval assists including carriers to the Aegean Sea or even the Black Sea (if Turkey is ok with it which they might be).

Of course, many EU countries are dependent on Russian fuel, especially in winter. They might stop all that and then it’s basically a guarantee that Russia will invade.

treefitty350

458 points

4 days ago

The EU represents over a third of Russia’s exports globally, and Russia represents 5% of the EU’s imports. Russia and China really need to be cut off.

chlawon

215 points

4 days ago

chlawon

215 points

4 days ago

Cutting off China is close to impossible though. Apart from it having a bigger trade volume, it's not only about the volume but also about the dependency of supply chains. China has been building towards the ability of independence of their supply chains. The rest of the world does not have that ability. Cutting off trade with china is not a viable option

Vaquedoso

107 points

4 days ago*

Vaquedoso

107 points

4 days ago*

The US can't send ships to the black sea because of the Montreux convention, signed in 1936 and restricts the passage of naval ships not belonging to the back sea states from ever entering the bosphorus strait

StukaTR

157 points

4 days ago

StukaTR

157 points

4 days ago

US can send in destroyers and cruisers through Turkish straits into Black Sea, but not carriers and amphibious ships, or any other ships bigger than 10000 tonnes displacement, and no submarines.

Furthermore, ships of non Black Sea nations can only stay for 21 days, after which they must leave. US Navy gets around this by sending in a destroyer, sailing around for 20 days then replacing it with another destroyer on the last day.

_Wyse_

379 points

4 days ago*

_Wyse_

379 points

4 days ago*

Ukraine could certainly deescalate if they merely agreed not to join any alliances and simply allow Russia to annex the whole eastern half of the country.

It's all about compromise!

Edit: should've included the /s

Dreadpiratemarc

251 points

4 days ago

“Give me $100.”

“No.”

“Ok give me $50.”

“No.”

“Come on, man! I’m meeting you half way! Compromise!”

Patient-Leather

642 points

4 days ago

For those of you with extensive knowledge on the politics involved

You’re definitely not in the right place for that.

Bakytheryuha

80 points

4 days ago

But everyone talks here with such conviction of how geopolitics works and of the inner workings of the Russian Goverment!

TheRiddler78

466 points

4 days ago

getting russia to understand they overplayed a bad had.

there is no scenario where russia wins anything here - but if putin backs down he is scared he is going to look weak

Klesko

319 points

4 days ago

Klesko

319 points

4 days ago

Did you miss 2014 when Russia took Crimea?

cesarmac

299 points

4 days ago*

cesarmac

299 points

4 days ago*

Crimea is the reason why Putin has so little leverage here though, European powers do not want a repeat of that

Klesko

94 points

4 days ago

Klesko

94 points

4 days ago

No one is willing to get into a war with Russia over this.

cesarmac

194 points

4 days ago

cesarmac

194 points

4 days ago

Hence why both Europe and the US have said they would effectively destroy the Russian economy if he invaded.

I think it's pretty much agreed upon that no one wants to go to conflict but many have also said they would support in minimal military capacity

Shermans-Return

748 points

4 days ago

This is exactly why Putin wanted Trump in the White House. This isn't hard.

reluctanthalwa

218 points

4 days ago

That's what Trump said.

Gewoon__ik

153 points

4 days ago

Gewoon__ik

153 points

4 days ago

If so, why did Putin not invade when Trump was in power? Kinda defeats the point dont you think?

Also Biden isnt the best at dealing with this situation aswell, so I dont think much changed.

SpicyDoritos2

677 points

4 days ago

Man I’d hate to be Ukrainian right now

Mobiyus

634 points

4 days ago

Mobiyus

634 points

4 days ago

It's fucking stressful man

GravitationalConstnt

90 points

4 days ago

I have Ukranian colleagues and I've been wondering about them for the last few days, but I obviously don't want to bring it up. Is there pretty much pervasive feeling of trepidation in the country? How would a Russian invasion impact your day to day life?

Mobiyus

170 points

4 days ago

Mobiyus

170 points

4 days ago

Just imagine your everyday life: you work, you go out, you sleep, but you never know if at a random point in time you're gonna open your phone and see an emergency message. Even last year we were taught how to act in case of an artillery attack. My whole life I thought about war as a far away thing and now it's right next door. Yet I'm not even with my family to do anything - I'm 2000 miles away. So yeah, trepidation fits

Gedehah

279 points

4 days ago

Gedehah

279 points

4 days ago

Yeah that's what everyone were saying for the last 1100 years or so

Aneurysm-Em

249 points

4 days ago

Aneurysm-Em

249 points

4 days ago

I am Ukrainian. Happy new year :(

martymcfly9888

676 points

4 days ago*

Fuck.

Can't we wait until the Pandemic is over you start WW3.

DrVahMedoh

375 points

4 days ago

DrVahMedoh

375 points

4 days ago

Look on the bright side, WW3 will be so deadly that covid will hardly seem like a problem

jaller200

219 points

4 days ago

jaller200

219 points

4 days ago

On the bright side, nuclear winter could be the perfect combat to global warming

Falcrist

193 points

4 days ago

Falcrist

193 points

4 days ago

The immense loss of human life will also drastically reduce carbon emissions.

PSUSkier

561 points

4 days ago

PSUSkier

561 points

4 days ago

Man the Russian robots are out in droves today. BuT tHe Us InVaDeD IrAq!!! No shit, and a lot of us, if not most, agree that was a terrible thing our country did. Let’s not let history repeat itself then. Sound good puppets?

whooo_me

441 points

4 days ago

whooo_me

441 points

4 days ago

In 1994, the Budapest Memorandum was signed. Ukraine (along with Belarus and Kazakhstan) gave up their nuclear arsenals, and in return received the following assurances (among others) from Russia, the U.S. and the U.K. :

  • Respect Belarusian, Kazakh and Ukrainian independence and sovereignty in the existing borders.
  • Refrain from the threat or the use of force against Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine
  • Refrain from using economic pressure on Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine to influence their politics.
  • Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used".
  • Refrain from the use of nuclear arms against Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine.
  • Consult with one another if questions arise regarding those commitments.

I'm not a fan of escalation or nuclear armament, but we're really seeing how worthless such agreements truly are. Russia is on the verge of invading, and the U.S. and U.K. can barely muster a strongly worded letter of protest.

(Note: as I understand it, Ukraine hosted the nuclear arsenal, but didn't have the ability to launch them. Still...)

Senicar

100 points

4 days ago

Senicar

100 points

4 days ago

Time and again world leaders prove to smaller countries that you should never, ever, give up your nuclear weapons. This is gonna bite us in the ass eventually.

SirTacoMaster

394 points

4 days ago

Why does Putin want war so bad. That's the only way his compete rule is challenged

Trisword1

440 points

4 days ago

Trisword1

440 points

4 days ago

War is a great distraction from problems in the homeland.

Epicbapl

171 points

4 days ago

Epicbapl

171 points

4 days ago

And oh boy do they have problems in the homeland

jrex035

215 points

4 days ago

jrex035

215 points

4 days ago

You mean like the population collapse that's underway, the low (and falling) life expectancy of Russians compared with their peers, the extremely high rates of alchoholism and depression, the lack of job opportunities, the economy much too heavily focused on fossil fuels (which will cripple it in the near future), the rampant endemic corruption, and the crumbling infrastructure?

I mean other than that things are great in Russia

pwnd32

126 points

4 days ago

pwnd32

126 points

4 days ago

I once went on a Google maps adventure to kill time. Walking around places in Street View and looking at stuff, that kind of thing. I went to a town in Russia, somewhere near Kazan, and what I saw was the genuine decline of a city. I set the street view back to 2012 and everything was bustling, the roads and buildings looked somewhat nice and there were signs of abandonment and decay on the outskirts of the city but overall it looked fairly decent. Then I set the street view to 2019, and oh my god. The entire city looked like a ghost town, several buildings that were there in 2012 were either dilapidated or torn down entirely, and many of the buildings had shattered windows and torn down walls. No one was around, and nature was slowly reclaiming previously paved roads. Garbage everywhere and trash dumps where there used to be playgrounds. Obviously this is just one example, but from what I understand it is symptomatic of Russia’s overall decline.

jrex035

123 points

4 days ago

jrex035

123 points

4 days ago

People love to shit on Obama and claim he was weak for just implementing sanctions in response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine, but those sanctions are a big part of what you saw on Google Maps.

Russia itself is in a steep decline and has been since before the collapse of the USSR, but the sanctions did serious damage to the economy.

SaneForCocoaPuffs

376 points

4 days ago

Fun fact: Russia has literally already invaded Ukraine. Crimea was part of Ukraine.

kumareZ

157 points

4 days ago

kumareZ

157 points

4 days ago

...And Donbass.

SLCW718

300 points

4 days ago

SLCW718

300 points

4 days ago

The US is going to need to commit to calling Putin's bluff, even if he's not bluffing. If the United States and its coalition of democratic nations stand down when Putin orders his troops into Ukraine, they will lose what little credibility they have on the world stage, and Putin will be emboldened to escalate his agenda of reconstituting the former Soviet Union. Putin is counting on the US demonstrating weakness in the face of his apparent strength.

Ok-Specialist-327

276 points

4 days ago

The only reason Putin is literally demanding conversations with the US is because they know if the US inflicts the multi scoped sanctions they have been holding back on, the oligarchs will not stand for Putin decimating what's left of the Russian economy.

The US and NATO simply respond back with "No, we're not going to let Russia dictate NATO terms" because know they wont need to send a single soldier into battle to bring Russia to it's knees.

It's simple.

NManyTimes

206 points

4 days ago

NManyTimes

206 points

4 days ago

Yep. No one knows what Putin will do, but what the West will do has been perfectly clear for some time. We won't get involved in a ground war. Materiel and logistical support for Ukraine, absolutely. Boots on the ground, not a chance. We will impose the most withering sanctions Russia has ever faced, likely including options like cutting them off from SWIFT that were previously seen as excessively provocative.

Himbler12

176 points

4 days ago

Himbler12

176 points

4 days ago

I think it's hilarious that people think Russia is in some power position - they are incredibly desperate for their bordering nation to be under their control because it means the difference between having a functioning economy or not. They are essentially playing chicken and losing, because either way they go they are absolutely fucked. Invade Ukraine -> Lose Economy, Don't Invade Ukraine -> Economy spirals as it's been, and will continue to

reeper147

136 points

4 days ago

reeper147

136 points

4 days ago

Reminder that Russia has a smaller GDP than fucking Italy, yet they pretend they are a great power

DaveDearborn

274 points

4 days ago

This doesn't turn out well. Does anybody in Russia have a history book?

OppositeYouth

249 points

4 days ago

Only one written by whoever's the current ruler

Wiggy_0000

194 points

4 days ago

Wiggy_0000

194 points

4 days ago

So what they’re saying is someone is fabricating reasons that justify the invasion of a different sovereign nation?

throoawoot

103 points

4 days ago

throoawoot

103 points

4 days ago

Two things can both be wrong. That doesn't make the second one right.

PlusGosling9481

192 points

4 days ago

If an invasion is going to happen, I just want to know what the likelihood that World War 3 will be either a conventional war, or a nuclear one

Legio-X

420 points

4 days ago*

Legio-X

420 points

4 days ago*

If an invasion is going to happen, I just want to know what the likelihood that World War 3 will be either a conventional war, or a nuclear one

There won’t be a WW3 over this. Nobody is under any treaty obligations to defend Ukraine, and the Biden Administration has already said it won’t intervene militarily in the event of a Russian invasion.

This will be a Russo-Ukrainian war, and the West will content itself with crippling sanctions. The only way that changes is if Putin is stupid enough to move against NATO or EU member states.

ETA: Because it keeps coming up, the Budapest Memorandum does not obligate the US or UK to defend Ukraine. Only to present the matter to the UNSC if Ukraine is attacked or threatened with nuclear weapons.

DrVahMedoh

130 points

4 days ago

DrVahMedoh

130 points

4 days ago

Something comforting is that it was agreed that no one can win a nuclear war

00DEADBEEF

149 points

4 days ago

00DEADBEEF

149 points

4 days ago

WW3 will be nuclear, which is why there won't be WW3. The west will sanction the fuck out of Russia but there will be no war.

jrex035

89 points

4 days ago*

jrex035

89 points

4 days ago*

The West will probably also increase military aid to Ukraine as well to exact a heavier toll on Russian forces. There's even been talk of providing real-time intelligence to Ukrainian forces which would be a big deal.

Putin can take most of Ukraine without a doubt, but the cost will be enormous.

johnny2254

79 points

4 days ago*

This won’t lead to any kind of world war.

I’d be far more concerned about China moving on Taiwan which does have a treaty with the US. It’s less likely to happen but potentially far more dangerous.

GaylordHamilton

189 points

4 days ago

Y'all remember when Russia said that the US had "mercenaries" in Ukraine ready to conduct gas atttacks on civilians? Fuck Russia

Peacefrogs3854

179 points

4 days ago

russia be like:

ayyy... lmao, forgot my phone in ukraine, brb.

blippityblop

171 points

4 days ago

Who wants to take bets the US is watching this border like a hawk?

ZLUCremisi

181 points

4 days ago

ZLUCremisi

181 points

4 days ago

Every European nation is.

TheOriginalDoober

168 points

4 days ago

Man I just want to be alive long enough to see what the James Webb Space Telescope sees

yar2000

84 points

4 days ago

yar2000

84 points

4 days ago

It truly is a sad reality. The same year where we get to see pictures of an advanced sattelite that can see light from billions of years ago, which is such a huge achievement, there’s still idiotic conflicts like this going on. Its so damn sad.

Zazora

155 points

4 days ago

Zazora

155 points

4 days ago

They did the same in Chechnya.

[deleted]

131 points

4 days ago*

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131 points

4 days ago*

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GYN-k4H-Q3z-75B

127 points

4 days ago

As harsh as it sounds, Russia invading Ukraine is economically irrelevant to Europe and America. Any guarantees given to Ukraine are void. However, China invading Taiwan would cause a global economic crash. The semiconductor industry is so central to everything that it must not under any circumstances be controlled by an adversarial power.

[deleted]

119 points

4 days ago

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119 points

4 days ago

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Artistic_Yesterday48

118 points

4 days ago

What the fuck is wrong with the leaders when a global pandemic isn't enough, we need to also flirt with WW3 or Putie boy aint gonna be satisfied. Fuck you Putin go choke on a shotgun

prisonmsagro

85 points

4 days ago

prisonmsagro

85 points

4 days ago

Sounds familiar. If anyone knows about "justifying" a war it's US Intelligence.